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progree

(10,889 posts)
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:24 AM Feb 2017

Russia recognizes passports from Ukrainian separatists, stoking annexation fears

Source: Good Morning America

... The executive order recognizes passports and other documents issued by the self-declared People's Republics of Lugansk and Donetsk, the two rebel republics that have established themselves with Russian support in an ongoing war against Ukraine's government. The republics are currently unrecognized -- including by Russia -- but Moscow has secretly supplied them with arms and money, and has covertly deployed its own military to carve out their territory.

... The U.S. embassy in Kiev swiftly issued an expression of dismay over the Russian order. On Twitter the embassy wrote that the step "is alarming and contradicts the agreed-upon goals of the Minsk Agreement," referring to the two-year-old peace agreements meant to end the fighting and which calls for the rebel areas to be reintegrated into Ukraine.

... The move recalls a playbook used by the Kremlin in other separatist conflicts within its neighbors' borders. In Russia, analysts quickly referred to Russian actions in its short war with the former Soviet republic of Georgia in 2008. In that conflict, Moscow backed two breakaway regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which have since become effectively incorporated into Russia.

Shortly after its troops bulldozed Georgian forces out of the regions, Russia recognized identity documents from their separatist governments, who at the time celebrated that as a sign Moscow would soon recognize them as independent states. Not long after that, Russia did


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Dolt 45 isn't getting much of a peace dividend from his special relationship with Russia. Recently, Russia has stepped up buzzing our ships and planes, and violated the START treaty with the new cruise missile. And the eastern Ukraine conflict has heated up in the past month.
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Russia recognizes passports from Ukrainian separatists, stoking annexation fears (Original Post) progree Feb 2017 OP
Putin knows the country is in disarray BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #1
When it comes to Ukraine, Putin is the consumate opportunist. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #2
Yikes. n/t MBS Feb 2017 #3
Meh. Igel Feb 2017 #4
It's all part of the quid pro quo. LudwigPastorius Feb 2017 #5

BumRushDaShow

(128,374 posts)
1. Putin knows the country is in disarray
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:37 AM
Feb 2017

(or at least he believes it is) and so between his military tweaking ours and the Drumpf Gong Show, he is prepping to make his next move into Ukraine.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
2. When it comes to Ukraine, Putin is the consumate opportunist.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:57 AM
Feb 2017

In February 2014, he knew the Ukrainian government and military--fresh off former President Yanukovych's abdication and fleeing to Russia following the Maidan protests--was in no shape or form to respond to anything, so he moved into Crimea and annexed it for himself.

Now, he knows he has a heavily compromised US President in the White House who would be unwilling to offer up any sort of real rebuke against Russian aggression (lest personal secrets flow), so the seeds he planted back in 2014 in the Eastern Ukrainian regions have finally sprouted and are ready to bloom.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
4. Meh.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:48 PM
Feb 2017

Bound to happen. The frozen war that the forces of history vowed would never happen happened at their behest. Say one thing, think another, do a third.

In 2014 or thereabouts Putin extended Russian passports to any Ukrainian that wanted one. It meant there was a ready supply of Russian citizens to defend, just in time to declare himself the defender of the ethnos, the defender of any Russian. This gave a big boost to the Donetsk People's Party, founded some 8 years before and which ran summer camps to train youths in the Donbas for military training for the 8 years before suddenly they had a large militia trained and true. Of course, the funding for these camps is unclear.

Then for years the enemy was the Ukrainian Jewish fascist democratic liberals who tolerated homosexuality. And who wanted to ban Russian. At least that's what the Russian press said, dominated by transmissions and press reports from Moscow. That last was part of the impetus for the split in the east and south. Of course, it was fake, but it was widely believed even in the West by those who preferred Russia over the EU and the West. So after fragmenting the citizenry, the Donetsk People's Party private militia, buttressed by Ukrainian training (in the to-be-banned Russian language, paradoxically) was clear in its goals.

The best the West could do when faced with bullets is the equivalent of Rimmer's "Mutants out" and "Chameleonic life forms, no thanks!" The sanctions that the West claimed crippled Russia were mostly lower oil prices unrelated to any policy that leaders in the West were willing to stand behind--economic downturn and long-term energy efficiencies driven by high energy prices, coupled with strongly increased fracking and the resultant higher production of carbon-based oil and natural gas. What leader would get up in the West and say, "I'm proud that some areas of the country have $4/gallon gasoline, and aim to make sure that this blessing extends to all on the way to $8/gallon gas!" Or, "Because of my policies, we've increased carbon-based fuel production to levels not seen in the US for 30 years." Right. Instead, we gloat, "We've crippled Russia by making sure that these 10 individuals have a harder time moving their ill-gotten games into Western banks."

Now Putin's coopting those that didn't ask for Russian passports at the time.


As for the Russian peace initiative, that's mostly based on Russian sources. So we trust RT and the like when it meets our narrative needs and denounce them as purveyors of the finest in fakery when it doesn't. Got it. I don't trust RT and its sister sources, and many of the "facts" often cited just immediately vanish. Others are often innuendo, hearsay, or instances of "I suspect" or "It's possible" becoming "it's established as fact" when built on a foundation of shared suspicion. Otherwise, we're mostly left with people doing business as business people do, something that the pure representatives of all Americans who work entirely in the pure public sector and in academia never would do. Then again, those in the public sector never would need to. (Heck, I have Russian ties. I've been to Leningrad, volunteered as interpreter for the Sister Cities organization and worked as paid interpreter for somebody I was sure was connected to the Russian mafia. I've translated for a pro-Soviet Hungarian historian and now am translating to make sure that some kinds of Russian thinking get translated and publicized in the West. Would be working for the NSA, but I failed their clearance check: I wasn't knee-jerk in my willingness to commit to providing a quick translation with suitable urgency for information that I was sure would lead to a nuclear first strike by the US against Russia, and that was enough.)

I've seen the likes of some of the hired hands. They're not committed ideologues. You hire the advertising manager away from your competition and he doesn't continue to work for the competition. They're loyal to their paycheck and know that their reputation depends not on loyalty to a person or group but on doing the best job they can for their current employer (this is unthinkable to a lot of public servants, who are loyal to their Cause first and their employer second and willing to be dishonest about it ... I'd fire them for cause, politics notwithstanding, because all it would take for them to turn on me would be a disagreement. Loyalty to self shouldn't make one violate one's commitment; you can be both loyal to yourself and honor your word by simply quitting, it's not like they have no choice ... they just have no convenient, self-serving choice).

LudwigPastorius

(9,095 posts)
5. It's all part of the quid pro quo.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 02:02 PM
Feb 2017

Putin monkeywrenches the election, helping Trump win, and in exchange he gets chunks of Ukraine and lifted sanctions.

What do you think Trump's boys were talking to Russian intelligence about, borscht recipes?

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