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Jimbo101

(776 posts)
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 02:55 PM Feb 2017

Exclusive: Leaked GOP Obamacare replacement shrinks subsidies, Medicaid expansion

Source: Politico

A draft House Republican repeal bill would dismantle Obamacare subsidies and scrap its Medicaid expansion, according to a copy of the proposal obtained by POLITICO.

The legislation would take down the foundation of Obamacare, including the unpopular individual mandate, subsidies based on people’s income, and all of the law’s taxes. It would significantly roll back Medicaid spending and give states money to create high-risk pools for some people with pre-existing conditions. Some elements would be effective right away; others not until 2020.

The replacement would be paid for by limiting tax breaks on generous health plans people get at work — an idea that is similar to the Obamacare “Cadillac tax” that Republicans have fought to repeal.

Speaker Paul Ryan said last week that Republicans would introduce repeal legislation after recess. But the GOP has been deeply divided about how much of the law to scrap, and how much to “repair,” and the heated town halls back home during the weeklong recess aren’t making it any easier for them.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/house-republicans-obamacare-repeal-package-235343

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Exclusive: Leaked GOP Obamacare replacement shrinks subsidies, Medicaid expansion (Original Post) Jimbo101 Feb 2017 OP
there it is. smh. JHan Feb 2017 #1
If they do this the Democrats then need to use it to kick the Repugnants teeth cstanleytech Feb 2017 #2
Well Drumpf voters there you go. The GOP will introduce a healthcare bill that will benefit the Lanius Feb 2017 #3
For the seniors who make up the GOP base: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #4
Finally heard the AARP commercial on the radio yesterday about this part. BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #6
If the GOP Congress members think the crowds have been rowdy, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #7
You ain't lyin!! BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #9
"Limiting tax breaks on generous health plans people get at work" Justice Feb 2017 #5
Yeah the thing I never got about the Cadillac plan tax TexasBushwhacker Feb 2017 #14
Larger companies offer a number of health plan options Blue_true Feb 2017 #17
Now we know why the fascist want to expand the military elmac Feb 2017 #8
Hey America land of the free and the home of the brave, how does it feel to be RATF**KED turbinetree Feb 2017 #10
So, pretty much destroy the whole thing Prof Amelia Rumsford Feb 2017 #11
Every Thing Abpit It Sucks n/t DallasNE Feb 2017 #12
Actually, there is a mandate, but I think it is too weak to incentivize a lot of young and healthy progree Feb 2017 #13
So, Essentially It Is An Amendment of Obamacare to Make It Worse... TomCADem Feb 2017 #15
Includes a big tax cut for the top two income tax brackets progree Feb 2017 #16

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
2. If they do this the Democrats then need to use it to kick the Repugnants teeth
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 02:59 PM
Feb 2017

down their throats and make them regret fucking around with peoples lives during every election for the next 20+ years.

Lanius

(599 posts)
3. Well Drumpf voters there you go. The GOP will introduce a healthcare bill that will benefit the
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:00 PM
Feb 2017

wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Another example that the two parties are not the same and that voting matters.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. For the seniors who make up the GOP base:
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:00 PM
Feb 2017
For example, the legislation would allow insurers to charge older customers up to five times as much as their younger counterparts. Currently, they can charge them only three times as much in premiums. The insurers have been pushing for that change.


Combine that with the Medicare voucher for a double attack on seniors.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. If the GOP Congress members think the crowds have been rowdy,
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:08 PM
Feb 2017

wait until the senior contingent hears from AARP.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
5. "Limiting tax breaks on generous health plans people get at work"
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:03 PM
Feb 2017

The GOP plan is to pit those middle class Americans who have health plans from work as part of their compensation (and receive this benefit on a pre tax basis) against middle class Americans who don't receive health plans at work because work for small company or in an industry that does not provide affordable health care and against Americans who don't have health care.

Let us fight among each other - means nothing to them.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
14. Yeah the thing I never got about the Cadillac plan tax
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 09:24 PM
Feb 2017

is that, unless an employee is in upper management, employees have no control over what health insurance plan the company offers.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
8. Now we know why the fascist want to expand the military
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:32 PM
Feb 2017

will make it easier to shoot the working poor and elderly when they riot, the ultimate death panels.

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
10. Hey America land of the free and the home of the brave, how does it feel to be RATF**KED
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:40 PM
Feb 2017

by your patriot fascists right wing republicans, now that they "control everything"----------------you know those "fiscal conservatives that are compassionate" assh**es that make $174,000 a year, $14,500 a month, just sitting in that office for those 110 days in 2016 and "work" on how to kill people, have you figured it out yet, your right wing fascist party called "GOP conservatives" also known as "republicans" are the death panels


You were warned and you idiots said they wouldn't do it-------------------well they are doing it, bend over


11. So, pretty much destroy the whole thing
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 04:07 PM
Feb 2017

Without mandates, no insurance company is going to stay in, since they will not be able to offer an affordable policy.

progree

(10,901 posts)
13. Actually, there is a mandate, but I think it is too weak to incentivize a lot of young and healthy
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 09:23 PM
Feb 2017
The proposal also includes penalties for individuals who fail to maintain coverage continuously. If their coverage lapses and they decide to re-enroll, they would have to pay a 30 percent boost in premiums for a year.


I consider it a mandate if you have to pay a penalty. That's how the ACA mandate works -- as far as I know there is no sanction in the ACA about not having insurance except to pay the penalty.

Though I suppose in theory under the RepubliCON plan, someone could go for decades uncovered, and then enroll and pay a penalty of just one year's boost in their premium. Whereas the ACA penalty is the GREATER OF: { (a) $695/adult, $347/child, or (b) 2.5% of household income } every year that one does not have coverage (I think the $695 / $347 numbers also go up with inflation)

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Oops, I meant to make this a response to the Thread / OP. Sorry.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
15. So, Essentially It Is An Amendment of Obamacare to Make It Worse...
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 09:31 PM
Feb 2017

...by offering weaker coverage to more people who are less likely to need it, but rendering it more expensive with less coverage to those people who do.

You give young people cheap catastrophic health coverage, you lose older, sicker people, then claim that you have expanded coverage for more people and made it cheaper.

progree

(10,901 posts)
16. Includes a big tax cut for the top two income tax brackets
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 09:39 PM
Feb 2017

The ACA imposed a 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) on unearned income in the top 2 tax brackets, and a 0.9% Medicare surcharge on earned income, also on the top 2 brackets (that's for taxable incomes over $416,700). Anyway those surtaxes go away under the RepubliCON plan:

The legislation would take down the foundation of Obamacare, including the unpopular individual mandate, subsidies based on people’s income, and all of the law’s taxes


And has been noticed elsewhere, the subsidies to help pay the premiums would be based on age AND NOT ON INCOME. So a poor person or middle income person would get no more help than a rich person. And along with the Medicaid rollback, this is all a huge transfer of wealth from the bottom and middle to the top. (Surprise!)

And the subsidy would not be that much:

For a person under age 30, the credit would be $2,000 (($167/mo)). That amount would double for beneficiaries over the age of 60 (($333/mo)), according to the proposal.


(My last premium at age 64 was $858/mo. So I'd have to come up with more than $500/mo, regardless of how poor or rich I was)

I mentioned in number #13 that it doesn't entirely eliminate the mandate -- there is a 30% increase in premium for one year for failure to maintain continuous coverage.
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