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highplainsdem

(48,973 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:45 AM Feb 2017

Trump tweets wildly misleading comparison of the national debt in his first month to Obama's

Source: Business Insider

On Saturday morning, President Donald Trump took to Twitter to point out a fact he thought the media was underreporting: the decrease in the national debt in his first month.

"The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo(nth)," tweeted Trump.

The tweet, which echoes something Herman Cain said on Fox News' Fox & Friends an hour before, doesn't make sense for a few reasons.

First, it is true that the debt has probably ticked down but as noted by the Atlantic's David Frum, this is mostly due to the federal government rebalancing its intra-governmental holdings. Debt outstanding to the public has barely budged since Inauguration Day.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-on-national-debt-in-first-month-under-obama-stock-market-2017-2



The article goes on to point out that

1) the current figures are due to a budget passed before the Trump admin started, so he has little to do with it, and

2) "most importantly, the economic circumstances during his and Obama's first month in office are vastly different."


Link to the David Frum tweet mentioned in the article:


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Trump tweets wildly misleading comparison of the national debt in his first month to Obama's (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2017 OP
Bush Great Recession crash in full swing in 2008. Now Obama Recovery still PERSISTING. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #1
it was the Bush Great Recession,,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2017 #10
The debt went up under Obama because: Botany Feb 2017 #2
You are correct underpants Feb 2017 #5
IOW Botany Feb 2017 #6
Thread with links to NYT detail on Obama getting rid of W's gimmicks underpants Feb 2017 #8
If they didn't lie, they wouldn't be republicans. joshdawg Feb 2017 #28
Thank you! I love having facts at hand to rebut the inevitable RW talking points. Tanuki Feb 2017 #17
I wish you well but facts matter little to many on the other side. Botany Feb 2017 #22
Of course the media hasn't reported it - IT'S NOT TRUE!!! George II Feb 2017 #3
No problem, Donald! Show us how you did it. keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #4
Travel Scarsdale Feb 2017 #7
Isn't she an escort that he flies in for his amusement? keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #11
If this is how he understands the economy we are in deep doodoo randr Feb 2017 #9
'Cause DonnieRhea knows economic situations, proven by his 3 am phone call DK504 Feb 2017 #12
In the coming months and..... Wuddles440 Feb 2017 #13
Considering Cheeto wants to expand the military TexasBushwhacker Feb 2017 #14
The voice of reason here is David Frum? Eugene Feb 2017 #15
"the current figures are due to a budget passed before the Trump admin started" - it was a CR! BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #16
2018 budget will look just great, so turn that frown upside down :) :) :) progree Feb 2017 #19
Gotta get through 2017 first BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #25
The man should be in a padded cell bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #18
Pulling this BS because he KNOWS the ND clock will hit 20 Trillion in the next few months... Bengus81 Feb 2017 #20
How much longer should America tolerate Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #21
He makes stuff up. We are numb to it now. Time for all to take to the streets to protest the moron LuckyLib Feb 2017 #23
Always tell an easily debunked lie. Turbineguy Feb 2017 #24
Like a fly on the ass of an ox taking credit for plowing the field. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2017 #26
CBS Evening News read this delusional tweet without comment. Journalistic malpractive IMHO stuffmatters Feb 2017 #27

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
10. it was the Bush Great Recession,,,,,,
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:37 PM
Feb 2017

they never mention that the debt increased so much not because of increase spending rather the lost of incoming revenue from the millions losing their jobs as Bush flushed 8 million jobs downt the toilet as he left teh White House.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
2. The debt went up under Obama because:
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:51 AM
Feb 2017

He put the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq back on the books ..... bush & Cheney
had run them off the books w/something called suplementals (? I think that is right)

The real debt was much greater then the #s used by bush & Cheney

We were in the middle of a blinding economic nightmare and Obama spent
money in order to save people and our economy

**********

Fucking right wing talking point .... Obama was a big spending liberal running up the debt.

Our deficit was $1.4 trillion in 2008 before Obama came into power

It is now $441 Billion

BTW It took 10 seconds with google to show much of this idea Trump is pushing comes
from Brietbart I would put a link up to the article but I won't give Brietbart the clicks.


Brietbart headline.
No, President Barack Obama Did Not Cut the Deficit by Two-Thirds

**********

Trump is still running against Obama/Clinton ..... he really is nuts

underpants

(182,788 posts)
5. You are correct
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:00 PM
Feb 2017

W&Co also made ridiculous debt forecasts (that literally no one could reconcile) and then set record levels of debt BUT it was lower then their forecasts so the called it a win and the press reported it dutifully.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
17. Thank you! I love having facts at hand to rebut the inevitable RW talking points.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:53 PM
Feb 2017

I live in Tennessee, and I am pretty sure the info you just posted will come in handy this very day.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
22. I wish you well but facts matter little to many on the other side.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 03:57 PM
Feb 2017

Besides they always have BENGHAZI!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. Travel
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:10 PM
Feb 2017

He is busy raising the debt, travelling to Florida for his "feel good rallies" EVERY damn weekend!! Also, his nude "model" wife flies seperately from NY to join him for appearances sake. She looks like she would rather be ANYWHERE else but with him.

keithbvadu2

(36,783 posts)
11. Isn't she an escort that he flies in for his amusement?
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:40 PM
Feb 2017

Trump: 'I would rarely leave the White House'

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-i-would-rarely-leave-the-white-house

“I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off.”

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Yes, I would live in the White House because it’s the appropriate thing to do,” he says.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
12. 'Cause DonnieRhea knows economic situations, proven by his 3 am phone call
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:40 PM
Feb 2017

to Flynn asking about what a weak dollar meant.

This dude is so fucking ignorant, not just stupid, but willfully ignorant, he doesn't even realize that President Obama kept him solvent during the near Depression. Disabusing him of his stupidity painfully moment by moment and point by point might wake up a few people to what a lying sack of shit this guy is.

"The tweet, which echoes something Herman Cain said on Fox News' Fox & Friends an hour before, doesn't make sense for a few reasons."

Wuddles440

(1,121 posts)
13. In the coming months and.....
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:19 PM
Feb 2017

years (God help us, if the serves his full term), I would not trust any economic information from this administration and would expect some destabilization of both domestic and world markets due to their manipulation.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,182 posts)
14. Considering Cheeto wants to expand the military
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:32 PM
Feb 2017

and increase infrastructure spending, while cutting taxes, the deficit and the national debt will explode.

Eugene

(61,874 posts)
15. The voice of reason here is David Frum?
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:45 PM
Feb 2017

So, either our president wants to add creative accounting
to alternative facts, or he lacks the critical thinking capacity
of a ten-year-old. Neither prospect is appealing.

BumRushDaShow

(128,898 posts)
16. "the current figures are due to a budget passed before the Trump admin started" - it was a CR!
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:51 PM
Feb 2017

I.e., the federal government is STILL operating under a Continuing Resolution, which mandates that agency spending remain at fiscal year 2016 levels. And in the case of CRs, funding to agencies only gets allocated monthly at 1/12th the rate of what is expected for the year.

The CR goes until April 28th and I haven't heard a peep out of Congress and whether they have any appropriations for FY17 even ready to vote on yet.

In addition, let's see what happens even BEFORE the CR is up for renewal (and a shutdown occurs if it's not extended or is replaced with regular appropriations), when it's time to raise the debt ceiling (estimated to happen some time next month), which could mean default if it's not done.

progree

(10,902 posts)
19. 2018 budget will look just great, so turn that frown upside down :) :) :)
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 03:16 PM
Feb 2017

Trump's plan to declare victory on the economy, Rick Newman, Yahoo Finance, 2/21/17

... Trump, as becomes more apparent every day, creates his own data when the facts don’t suit him. (See: greatest electoral victory since Reagan, widespread voter fraud, highest murder rate in 45 years, unreported terrorist attacks, etc.) And economic policy is highly dependent on the best possible understanding of what’s going on.

Trump is preparing a budget that predicts the economy will grow by around 3.5% per year for the next several years, according to a Wall Street Journal report. Mainstream forecasters like the Congressional Budget Office, the Federal Reserve and private research outfits think that’s way too high, and expect growth closer to 2% per year. The Trump administration hasn’t yet published its forecasts, which will be part of the 2018 federal budget Trump must submit to Congress in a few weeks

... Trump’s economic proposals so far rely heavily on supply-side assumptions about tax cuts and infrastructure spending producing a big boost in growth.

Trump’s team is already looking into ways to restate trade deficits that would make them sound worse than they are, ... ((that little trick is explained in the article, which will no doubt be used to justify trade wars -Progree))

....Trump is not like other presidents. His contempt for data and science is unprecedented. He dismisses facts that are irrefutable. And he has made promises, such as 3.5% economic growth, that reality may not abide.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-plan-to-declare-victory-on-the-economy-194250110.html


And Newman goes on to explain how bad economic assumptions can be ((and likely will be)) used to justify bad economic policy ...

As for Bush's supply side tax cuts, they "failed to produce a notable boost in growth, and simply added to the national debt."

BumRushDaShow

(128,898 posts)
25. Gotta get through 2017 first
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 07:09 PM
Feb 2017

what with the debt ceiling debacle and all.

(or will it be a debacle? )

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
20. Pulling this BS because he KNOWS the ND clock will hit 20 Trillion in the next few months...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 03:23 PM
Feb 2017

So get the misinformation out NOW that the media is LYING about the ND and then him and the CONS just keep making up a figure that keeps it below 20 Trillion. I'll eat this fucking computer if I'm wrong which I KNOW I'm not.


Here's the FACTUAL number I recorded,along with many other key figures the minute Chump was being sworn in:

$19,961,833,300,255



Hate to break it to you Trump but 19,978 is MORE than 19,961.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
21. How much longer should America tolerate
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 03:23 PM
Feb 2017

These lies and half truths from the President of the United States of America?

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
23. He makes stuff up. We are numb to it now. Time for all to take to the streets to protest the moron
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 04:50 PM
Feb 2017

in the WH.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
27. CBS Evening News read this delusional tweet without comment. Journalistic malpractive IMHO
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 12:54 AM
Feb 2017

And the MSM three billion in his free advertising keeps growing.

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