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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,412 posts)
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:34 PM Mar 2017

Day 1: Zinke rescinds Obama officials phase-out of lead bullets, fishing tackle

Source: Spokane Spokesman-Review

THURSDAY, MARCH 2, 2017, 12:14 P.M.

HUNTING-FISHING -- Today, on his first day on duty, Department of the Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke (pronounced ZINK-ee) issued two secretarial orders. One withdraws a controversial order signed by an Obama administration official to phase out use of lead bullets and lead fishing tackle on federal wildlife refuges.

The two secretarial orders include:

Secretarial Order No. 3346* overturns the recent ban lead ammunition and fish tackle used on Fish and Wildlife Service lands, waters, and facilities. The order highlights the need for additional review and consultation with local stakeholders.

Secretarial Order No. 3347** advances conservation stewardship, improves game and habitat management, and increases outdoor recreation opportunities by directing bureaus and agencies to immediately identify areas where recreation and fishing can be expanded. The order also requests input from the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council and Sport Fishing and Boating Partnership Council to provide recommendations on enhancing and expanding access on public lands and improving habitat for fish and wildlife.

"Outdoor recreation is about both our heritage and our economy," Zinke said. "Between hunting, fishing, motorized recreation, camping and more, the industry generates thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in economic activity.

It' curious and perhaps enlightening to note that Zinke singled out motorized recreation without mentioning the significant national interest in nonmotorized recreation.

* https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3346.pdf

** https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3347.pdf

Read more: http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2017/mar/02/day-1-zinke-rescinds-obama-officials-phase-out-lead-bullets-fishing-tackle/



Hat tip: Zinke's Twitter feed:

Today I signed two secretarial orders to expand #hunting #fishing and #recreation on #publiclands. https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/day-one-secretary-zinke-signs-orders-expand-access-public-lands


[div class"excerpt"]The new interior secretary just rode into work on a horse
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/03/02/the-new-interior-secretary-just-rode-into-work-on-a-horse/

By Juliet Eilperin March 2 at 1:24 PM

Arriving on horseback Thursday, newly minted Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke pledged he would devote more resources to national parks, boost the morale of department employees and bolster the sovereignty of American Indian tribes. ... Zinke who was confirmed by the Senate on Wednesday by a 68-to-31 vote rode with a nine-person mounted police escort to the Interior Departments downtown headquarters on Tonto, an Irish sport horse. The horse, a bay roan gelding standing just over 17 hands tall, is normally kept in stables on the Mall and is owned by the U.S. Park Police. ... While the Park Police serve as the interior secretarys regular security detail, officers are typically not mounted.

Within hours of his arrival Zinke signed two secretarial orders, including one that overturned* the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services guidance to agency managers to phase out the use of lead ammunition and fishing tackle on national wildlife refuges by 2022. Several gun rights and hunting groups had objected to the policy, which was instituted just before Barack Obama left office, on the grounds that non-toxic copper and steel shot is somewhat more expensive.

In the new directive, Zinke wrote, I have determined that the Order was not mandated by any existing statutory or regulatory requirement and was issued without any significant communication, consultation, or coordination with affected stakeholders.

Advocates of the previous order, however, noted that it set in motion a five-year consultation process between federal officials and the states. Lead poisoningwhich takes place when fragments of shot are consumed by scavengers or absorbed into the surrounding environmentis estimated to kill between 10 and 20 million birds each year, along with other species. ... Zinkes second order** aims to expand access to public lands for outdoor recreation and fishing.
....

Juliet Eilperin is The Washington Post's senior national affairs correspondent, covering how the new administration is transforming a range of U.S. policies and the federal government itself. She is the author of two booksone on sharks, and another on Congress, not to be confused with each otherand has worked for the Post since 1998.

Follow @eilperin
https://twitter.com/eilperin

* https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3346.pdf

** https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3347.pdf
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Day 1: Zinke rescinds Obama officials phase-out of lead bullets, fishing tackle (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2017 OP
Yep. The nod to motorized recreation caught my eye as well Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #1
Let the yahoos get their jollies by scaring the wildlife and annoying everyone else n/t alarimer Mar 2017 #3
That is why Chaffetz' first attempt to privatize BLM lands failed Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #5
The dominionists want to pave the earth Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #16
It's like they don't care about anything besides undoing what Obama did. alarimer Mar 2017 #2
yes Obama chided him at a dinner now Trumps mission is to try and undo destroy anything Obama did luvMIdog Mar 2017 #6
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #25
The spent 8 years of trying their damnedests to keep him from doing anything madokie Mar 2017 #34
the lead is really a danger to the waterways and water AND land :( luvMIdog Mar 2017 #4
yes, you bet. n/t MBS Mar 2017 #31
Can't his rescinding order re:lead be challenged as arbitrary and capricious? JudyM Mar 2017 #7
They hate the American Bald Eagle. Lead in carcasses was part of the reason for their decline. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #8
The primary reason was DDT which weakened the eggshells. alarimer Mar 2017 #12
Yes, that was primary. Is DDT next on Zinke's list? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #14
Some people do want to bring it back. alarimer Mar 2017 #15
use--and preservation--of public lands is a complex endeavor geek tragedy Mar 2017 #9
He is a "wolf killer" too Botany Mar 2017 #10
You happy GREEN VOTERS? dbackjon Mar 2017 #11
My sentiments exactly. If you couldn't bring yourself to vote Democratic, to hell with you. (nt) Paladin Mar 2017 #13
What's the benefit of lead bullets? Renew Deal Mar 2017 #17
Article says lead is a tad cheaper...completely ignoring the long term costs. Why, I have no clue. Fred Sanders Mar 2017 #19
They are without any redeeming value in this world or the next. Judi Lynn Mar 2017 #27
Lots of density at a low cost. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2017 #21
Interesting Renew Deal Mar 2017 #23
Lead has been proven as a poison to all living things. No more "study" is needed. Fred Sanders Mar 2017 #18
+1 Took the words right out of my mouth ffr Mar 2017 #20
Oh boy like we don't have enough "LEAD" out there turbinetree Mar 2017 #22
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #26
No. 3347 has absolutely nothing to do with conservation stewardship... EarthFirst Mar 2017 #24
Here lets bring in those shining lights of right wing Sec. Interiors and what they did, shall we turbinetree Mar 2017 #28
I remember a politician Mendocino Mar 2017 #29
"I have determined that the Order was not mandated by any existing statutory or regulatory..." Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #30
The horseback ride is cute (though I feel sorry for the horse having to walk through traffic) MBS Mar 2017 #32
Trump's daddy is Putin Mendocino Mar 2017 #33
My heart is breaking. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #35
Christ, these people are fucking evil Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #36

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
16. The dominionists want to pave the earth
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:07 PM
Mar 2017

If they thought about it, the "dominion" over the earth requires stewardship and that does not mean ripping it all up and disturbing the peace everywhere.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
2. It's like they don't care about anything besides undoing what Obama did.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:39 PM
Mar 2017

Never mind lead poisoning of fish and wildlife. For a bunch of bullshit reason, these folks have opposed eliminated lead for years.
They can and do use copper, which is many ways is better, but they just want to say "fuck you" to environmentalists out there.

https://undark.org/article/lead-ammunition-bullets-hunting-copper/

What’s clear is that previous field analyses have shown that hundreds of lead fragments — one study counted a total of 738 — can extend as far as 18 inches from a lead bullet’s path through an animal, well outside the range where hunters typically trim. Scientists have also warned that lead in those discarded gut piles can poison eagles and other wildlife that seek them out for food — but the concerns surrounding lead ammunition aren’t limited to hunting. Lead bullets used in target shooting by military personnel, law enforcement officers, and the public, has been found to pollute soil and water around some outdoor shooting ranges, as well as the air and surfaces of indoor ranges when not properly cleaned or ventilated.

The continued use of lead in ammunition, environmental and public health advocates say, remains an under-appreciated and preventable source of exposure to the toxic heavy metal for millions of Americans. They argue that the evidence of real and negative impacts is so overwhelming, in fact, that the lack of more aggressive regulation borders on the absurd, if not downright negligent. “A good bullet should not kill twice,” said Carrol Henderson, a hunter and an educator with the Department of Natural Resources in Minnesota.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
6. yes Obama chided him at a dinner now Trumps mission is to try and undo destroy anything Obama did
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:44 PM
Mar 2017

The ultimate maniacal narcissist

madokie

(51,076 posts)
34. The spent 8 years of trying their damnedests to keep him from doing anything
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:19 PM
Mar 2017

now they're going to spend all their time undoing every thing he did get done in spite of them. What a class act they all are. F.U.C.K.

remind me how we got here

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
12. The primary reason was DDT which weakened the eggshells.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:57 PM
Mar 2017

Because it accumulated in the bodies of the prey they ate and then magnified up the food chain.

It's why it affected mostly fish-eating birds, like eagles (which are opportunistic feeders really, but often a lot of fish), pelicans and osprey. DDT doesn't stick around on land too much but washes into the water, where it works its way up.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. use--and preservation--of public lands is a complex endeavor
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:48 PM
Mar 2017

Hunters, fishers, and other recreational users can be potent allies in the move to preserve public lands from development or other forms of commercial exploitation. At the same time, there's an obvious tension between people who want to protect all wildlife and those who want to kill some wildlife or use habitat in potentially destructive ways.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
11. You happy GREEN VOTERS?
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 04:55 PM
Mar 2017

FUCK ANYONE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR CLINTON

FUCK ANYONE THAT VOTED ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRATIC.


YOU ARE THE ENEMY.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. Article says lead is a tad cheaper...completely ignoring the long term costs. Why, I have no clue.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:13 PM
Mar 2017

To spite Obama is all I have.

Judi Lynn

(160,524 posts)
27. They are without any redeeming value in this world or the next.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 06:32 PM
Mar 2017

They only live to destroy.

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Nice boots, dipstick.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,412 posts)
21. Lots of density at a low cost.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:25 PM
Mar 2017

I tried looking it up in an old (46th Edition, 1965 - 1966) CRC, but Wikipedia says it's 11.34 grams per cubic centimeter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density#Various_materials

Copper has lower density, and it costs more. Gold and platinum have higher density, but they cost a lot more. Lead hits the sweet spot.

A bullet needs kinetic energy to be effective.

In classical mechanics, the kinetic energy of a non-rotating object of mass m traveling at some velocity v is 0.5(mass)(velocity squared) or 0.5(m)(v squared).

So whatever you can do to up the mass or the velocity will give a moving bullet more kinetic energy.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Lead has been proven as a poison to all living things. No more "study" is needed.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:12 PM
Mar 2017

The excuse is that copper and steel is a tad more expensive? Thousands of Americans have already been poisoned for life with horrid consequences by lead that used to be spewed into the air at gun ranges until banned in the 80's. Not to mention there is a reason lead is no longer in gasoline.

What utter morons. Even the wildlife federations and gun folk must see how they are working against themselves just so they can undo anything Obama did out of spite.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
20. +1 Took the words right out of my mouth
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:22 PM
Mar 2017

Put lead into the environment where it doesn't naturally exist and you get birth defects and worse, up and downstream.

We may not have known before, but we know now and we should act smarter than this.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
22. Oh boy like we don't have enough "LEAD" out there
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:27 PM
Mar 2017

ducks eat lead weights off the bottoms of lakes and rivers, because dips**t they are bottom feeders of lakes and rivers, and when they get shot they get lead pellets into there bodies, and I guess you didn't know this, but lead weights drop off fishing lines and they do decompose zippy navy seal guy, from Montana.

Boost more moral dickh**d at the National Parks and your going to all by your self righteous self going to boost the moral of Indigenous People and give them their rights back for sovereignty-----------really. And how about all of those off-road Bundy clan boys and there compatriots just going on the public land to decimate Indigenous People sacred sites, and then we have the wolf, being killed in Utah, because of some f**ked up law, they shoot them because they thought they were something else, and they hurting the cattle industry--------------FU.
I guess you haven't heard huh, that your illegitimate sexual predator president said that he was going to "clear" the pipelines, and create "thousands of jobs-----------right.

The right wing fascists republican party governor and the two feckless U.S. Senators and legislatures (both federal and state) in ND, thought that the sheriff, highway patrol, the national guard and private contractors for some f***ing energy company and there financial backers didn't think the Sioux,Cheyenne or Lakota had any rights, nope they thought rubber bullets, and water cannons were a f**Ing right to use on "HUMAN BEINGS, and now your going to "boost moral>

FU, I'll say it again, FU and the horse you road in on.


Well dips**t t let's start here for example, then you can go to the "treaties" that were signed by your racist government, and just done exactly what with them, ignore them, they don't mean squat?

I know lets divert a pipeline from a city because they need clean water and just put it near a "reservation" without any f**king over site, they don't need any stinking clean water or sacred burial grounds, but your ilk look for "GREED":

http://standwithstandingrock.net/


https://www.redcloudschool.org/reservation


You look like the "guy" that has that doofus smile on his face when he is sitting in chair trying to hurt human beings with his self righteous hate, and he has hair it looks like a orange peel


EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
24. No. 3347 has absolutely nothing to do with conservation stewardship...
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:57 PM
Mar 2017

It has everything to do with expanding recreational areas to increased motorized vehicles in the backcountry.

The 'Sweatpants Crew' won't walk any further than they need to, so in order to experience nature they need to ride into it and destroy it by leaving their mark on the countryside.

They already have a network of tens of thousands of trails in the parks system. Why do they feel the need to have unfettered access to ALL ago it?

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
28. Here lets bring in those shining lights of right wing Sec. Interiors and what they did, shall we
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 06:47 PM
Mar 2017

and then compare the first item on this right wing fascist former navy seal Montana do do list and now Sec. of the Interior:

See a pattern..............there is pattern with these fascists hypocrites

James Watts 1981-1983
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-james-watt-survives-19830609


Gail Norton 2001-2006

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oceans-20020228


Mendocino

(7,486 posts)
29. I remember a politician
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:10 PM
Mar 2017

from the UP of MI years ago saying "These darn kids with their backpacks, they come up here with $5 and a pair of underwear and don't change either". His pet peeve was the non-motorized status of Porcupine Mountains State Park, a wilderness gem.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
30. "I have determined that the Order was not mandated by any existing statutory or regulatory..."
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:46 PM
Mar 2017

I'm starting to think that the GOP is obsessed with erasing any sign Obama was ever in office.

Which makes me wonder if he made the flurry of orders near the end *knowing* they'd have to repeal every single one like a vampire counting seeds.

Gives the Dems time to get all the Russia scandal ducks in a row...

MBS

(9,688 posts)
32. The horseback ride is cute (though I feel sorry for the horse having to walk through traffic)
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:13 PM
Mar 2017

but everything else the new Secretary did today is a disaster.
Just when we were starting to make progress on reducing lead bullets and lead fishing tackle. .
What is the bloody POINT of this beyond revenge against the Obama administration?
.

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