Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has 'failed'; Pyongyang warns of war
Source: The Washington Post
By Anna Fifield and Simon Denyer March 16 at 11:08 AM
TOKYO Diplomacy has failed and its time to take a different approach to North Korea, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said here Thursday, as the North Korean Embassy in China warned that American military threats were bringing the region to the brink of nuclear war.
Tillersons comment that 20 years of diplomacy have been unable to persuade the regime in Pyongyang to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons will fuel fears in the region that military options might be on the table to deter North Korea. That could prove devastating for Seoul, where more than 20 million people in the South Korean capital region live within range of North Korean artillery.
And in a sign of mounting tensions, the North Korean Embassy held an extraordinary news conference in Beijing to issue its warning of nuclear war while vowing to continue with its own nuclear testing program as a legitimate form of self-defense.
The U.S. secretary of state, in Japan on his first major trip abroad since taking office, put North Korea and its dangerous and unlawful weapons programs at the top of the agenda.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tillerson-stresses-regional-cooperation-to-curb-north-koreas-weapons-programs/2017/03/16/4ec5e07c-09ab-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.9009bb6fef03&wpisrc=nl_evening&wpmm=1
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)None of them has any experience or expertise in the positions to which they have been confirmed.
DK504
(3,847 posts)Fuck.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)45 will do anything to get a "win" that others could not get. Tillerson is just the man to deliver the bribe. Wait for it. 45 administration will give away the store to accomplish something his predecessors could not and then seal his dictatorship with the adulation that follows.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)I have so much to add, strictly on a humanitarian basis, but this isn't the time and it would be fruitless. This administration is woefully inept and the only hope we have to stop it is Lyin Ryan and the repukes. We are headed for cataclysmic destruction and the repukes are too spineless to stop it.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)Trump can't unopen this can of worms if he goes down this route.
TeamPooka
(24,156 posts)ck4829
(34,977 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Looks like we may soon have an answer. War with NK, potentially leading to a shooting war with China. Outstanding.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)Or at least make him feel like he doesn't have the smallest member known to man.
Seriously, this idiot is going to start a war with a nuclear, unstable country that doesn't care one bit about the lives of their citizens. And low energy Tillerson had to cancel meetings cause he was "tired."
Fuck. Let me know when to get my kids out of NYC.
Lithos
(26,397 posts)Trump wants a war...
rivegauche
(601 posts)and Rexy boy is throwing in the towel? He's admitting failure already? These people are laughably incomeptent
C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)Rexy baby, who knew you gave up so easily.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)is going to get us into a shooting war with N. Korea - I'm sure he envisions himself riding the wave of public adulation as a 'wartime president' like Shrub.
still_one
(91,967 posts)good measure Mercer, an M1 rifle, and put them in an amphibious landing craft, and tell North Korea that they are being invaded by these assholes, and let the chips fall where they may.
Of course bullies send other to die, while they stay safe and secure in their filth laden spheres
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)Trump wants war? Let him lead the charge.
adigal
(7,581 posts)and Tillerson some FBI agents to arrest his ass.
C_eh_N_eh_D_eh
(2,204 posts)Seriously, the only way I can see this ending in anything but chaos is if the financiers who stand to lose big if China gets too pissed off, have a word with Donnie and make him back down. He probably thinks a war would force everyone to get in line behind his agenda, and he's probably right about that, at least. And he neither knows nor cares about the millions who would be killed.
cstanleytech
(26,087 posts)as its not like the US or South Korea would likely object much if any at this point.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)He goes off the deep end and China plays "moderator" and they look good on the world stage. It's a big game.
Meanwhile, the NK people suffer in abject poverty as a result.
others make good points in their replies, too.
And, jr knows the game, too, that as long as he does not threaten China, they will provide him cover to keep his little shit show running.
harun
(11,348 posts)old guy
(3,281 posts)Useful tool.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)He keeps blowing up his generals in creative ways. You'd figure the rest of them figure they're next.
It's amazing how long the regime survived.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Yavin4
(35,357 posts)And even if they could, what are they going to do with a nation of cult-like, Kim zealots. Think the North Koreans are going to be totally chill about removing a leader that they think is God?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)roamer65
(36,739 posts)They have advanced weaponry from the US that will make it a cakewalk unless China intervenes.
Remember...the only reason North Korea exists is because of Chinese intervention in 1950. MacArthur drove NK troops nearly all the way up to the Chinese border.
If it goes nuclear, then kiss our wonderful planet goodbye.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)South Korea can "win", in the sense that they will be the ultimate "victors" in a conventional war.
But are you still winning if a couple million people are killed? Would it still be winning of 20 million died?
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)There is a reason China lets the NK shitshow go on ...
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)The only thing I can think of is appealing to Dumshit Donnie if he uses a Samsung phone or something... hey Dumbass, you like yer phone, right? k, well S. Korea will blow up and No More phone for you!! Now, that would be real bad, ok? So Be Good and don't blow up S. Korea, that's a good lil' Twitler! Good Boy!
Ugh sorry, but the only thing that might work is babyish pandering to his malignant narcissism somehow, to keep South Korea safe. Only thing I can think might work. Pander to his vanity and selfishness.
I am so worried right now for Seoul... well all of Korean peninsula is in serious danger.
bucolic_frolic
(42,681 posts)The Guns of April
I kind of knew this was going to happen fast, but what can you do about it?
drm604
(16,230 posts)Complete utter insanity.
He'll be sacrificing Seoul and millions of it's inhabitants for the sake of his ego.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)won't take much to crank it up again.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Though "succession of hostilities" sums up the Drumpf Administration quite well, now that you have coined the phrase...
-app
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)He can play war then.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Trump is crashing and burning here. The republicans are jumping off the health care plan like rats from a sinking ship. Everyone know that if Trumpcare crashes, everything else they desire is gone...tax reform, entitlement gutting, reinstitution of Jim Crow. All the things they want.
And trumpcare is crashing bigly. Plus, there seems to actually be a pretty big fire behind all the Russian Smoke. So what is left?
Start a war! That always rallies Americans. Only this time it will not. Seeing Seoul burning and in ruins after receiving 1,000,000 artillery shells in 24 hours. Ten's of thousands of civilian deaths on top of thousands of military deaths, many of them American will result in a constitutional crisis. Especially since there is no way congress will ever approve a resolution supporting it.
NATO allies abandoning us. Japan finally figuring they are better off with China than the mad man we have. South Korea making plans to kick us out after the war is over and looking to China to help. China cutting off trade and offering all of our debt for sale at wholesale prices crashing the value of the dollar. This shit could get ugly.
2 months ago I thought we could weather 4 years like we often do with bad presidents. Now, as you can tell, I am slightly more pessimistic.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)what has our country come to?
jpak
(41,742 posts)Take at his word.
yup
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Rexy is there to open Russia since the United States of America is now a subsidiary of EXXON.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)T-Rexxon announced that
NK has nothing to fear from the West....
And how important it was to everyone that NK forgo its nuclear weapons development...
And how NK & China would be treated sooo well by US /west...
and they could all live happily ever after...
blah blah. Rainbows... unicorns... & cotton candy....
I guess I missed the .....
"Must Act Now"
"Limited Time Left to take advantage of this special offer"
"Don't let this deal get away!!"
"24 hour Diplomacy Flash Sale"
winstars
(4,214 posts)South Korean capital region live within range of North Korean artillery."
lunasun
(21,646 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,112 posts)Trump voting Patriots better head to the local recruiter's office ASAP!
Cha
(295,929 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)don't tell me that I'm the only one who smells the hand of Steve Bannon in this.key racks is been on the job all of barely one month and he is already ready to call failure on a venture that for all of its ups and downs, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama have been chipping away at 12 years? am I the only one who remembers this little gem?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt
Were going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years, he said in March 2016. Theres no doubt about that. Theyre taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face and you understand how important face is and say its an ancient territorial sea.
It could be that he Rex was just supposed to be the guy who gave Russia the chance to get sanctions and allowed Trump and Putin to get some of that estimate $500 billion of oil trade. However, he Rex is not going to be making a lot of oil money, even in WAR, because the Chinese taking the economy is going to make what he has worthless. People are not going to be driving SUVs to get hamburgers if our currency is shot. Keep in mind, Beijing would not need to get officially involved ever, I repeat Beijing would not have to fire a single bullet to win the war. all they would need to do is let him trash South Korea and then attack Japan. of course officially they would say that they are not supporting the North Koreans in this, but to be perfectly honest they would not have to. However, once the South Koreans and Japanese are unable to go ahead and maintain our debt, that puts China in the perfect position to use it to target our leash.
Now less some of you think I'm saying this to Beijing Bait, I will say this, the scenario described is definitely not what Beijing wants. one, they know that if this happens there will be no way in hell to ever get their money back. Two, they also know that, for all their shiny new cities and monorails, their economy depends on Americans buying their products. an American depression, as much is that might sound wonderful to some old Maoist in Beijing, the folks in Shanghai know that America is the only country willing and able to keep buying all this stuff that they have kept the peasants making. They also know that the only thing that is keeping the country from trying itself into bits is the fact that right now the economy is growing, already there are fears of what will happen when the Chinese economy, like every other economy tanks. I'll give you a hint, it's no accident that despite all their attempts to keep the peace,, many people in these "thriving cities" are getting tired of air so nasty you need to wear a mask, as well as the fact that in order to become a competitive economy, wages and benefits have to go down. The Chinese are even being undercut by African labor, Africans who were very often trained by, guess who, the Chinese. Jesus Beijing, that's just like a teenager whose parents died of lung cancer making sure to smoke two packs a day of the same brand of cigarettes that kill their parents; you imitated America and are getting burned for it!
So who really would benefit from a war between China and the United States. oh yes there are some here bringing the concern Bell that we are Russia baiting. Never mind that those who bring that they'll have seriously failed to look at Russia today and realize that no it is not be idealistically bound Soviet Union.the Russians mainly flowers on Stalin's grave, but they are not fighting the ideological war of communism anymore, they're fighting it less than the Chinese are. No they know that thanks to European bumbling they are about to inherit Western Europe, or rather what I have century Cold War failed to do, folks like Le Pen and Trump are going to throw at Putin's feet. when that is done, who is the only country that poses any sort of existential threat to the Russians, or for that matter the United States? It is not Canada, is not Japan, and know it sure isn't England. As much is Russia could flex its muscle, they know they have nothing that the Chinese cannot take, no military advantage,, even that fabled Russian winter, is going to stop with eight times their population and a lot of stolen American military technology from taking anything from them, including all that nice Russian oil. So what if the Chinese lose, let's say 300 million. Some folks in Beijing would pop champagne because that would make their job of running the country a lot easier.
Russia's only hope of containing their neighbor is to find someone stupid enough to go to war for them and willing to shock trillions if need be into the war effort despite the fact it is completely hopeless; sadly our nation is exactly what Putin ordered. So what the world is a mess, they will just go ahead and build a new Moscow in the center of the country. The idea of two potential rivals both being destroyed beyond repair will make quite a bit of champagne flow in Moscow. Sadly, for all the differences between our two nations, China and America both have an addiction to national myth. to quote Don Henley, "we been poisoned by these fairytales." yes, the Chinese fairytale is much older than ours, but that does not make it any more worthy to help destroy mankind and ours certainly is not worth it. If there is any future to be made for mankind, it will be when people old world learn to treat religion and nationalism as just the constructs of a bunch of old men trying to avoid being irrelevant.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)and Tillerson amps up the tension with North Korea.
Is he worried about U.S. arms sales to South Korea slowing down or trying to convince people in South Korea they actually want another corrupt right winger? Or a bit of both?
pfitz59
(10,198 posts)Not even time enough to say "Hello"! Fuck these assholes!
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)Trump is probably hoping Tillerson gets attacked or something else terrible happens to him.
Then he can bomb NK back to the Stone Age and feel good about it.
I'm sure the Cheeto can't wait to push his shiny new Nuke button.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Sadly, it'll probably succeed.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)if we meddle military with NK cause China is NOT going to let us or SK cross that line without their say so, and these idiots don't have the first capacity to get to that point (which would be a BIG stretch for any administration).
randr
(12,408 posts)What the hell does "failed diplomacy" mean?
No one can put forth an argument based on an unproven "fact".
When the hell is the MSM going to stop accepting fake facts without question?
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I thought war was the failure of diplomacy.
Isn't it wonderful the blinders have been lifted from our eyes?
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)We all know that Trump needs a war Wag the Dog style.
Aristus
(66,099 posts)Get somebody in there who knows what he or she is doing...