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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:43 AM Mar 2017

WH Budget Chief Says He Has 'No Idea' Why GOP Couldn't Get Votes For Repeal

Source: Talking Points Memo



By ESME CRIBB Published MARCH 26, 2017, 10:32 AM EDT

Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney on Sunday said that he has "no idea" why Republicans couldn't get enough members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus to support their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

"I have no idea," Mulvaney said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" when asked why Republicans were unable to secure enough support from the House Freedom Caucus for their long-promised repeal bill.

He denied that President Donald Trump blames House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) for the bill's failure.

"Never once have I seen him blame Paul Ryan," Mulvaney said. "The people who are to blame are the people who would not vote yes."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mick-mulvaney-has-no-idea-why-no-freedom-caucus-votes

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lark

(23,058 posts)
1. I know, I know!
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:51 AM
Mar 2017

Sheer incompetence, rushed product constantly being changed not to improve it but to give this group or that group some win with no thought as to consequences, too kind to bring in total haters and too hate filled to bring in people who actually want their constituents to have health care. Drumpf thinks people will just fall into line, but they didn't. He didn't ever involved himself in the work of planning this bill, too dumb to handle heavyweight decisions like that, couldn't speak to all parts of it due to lack of knowledge or caring, and turned people off when Bannon started threatening them. Not a good way to handle anything, drumpfy. It's a losing strategy and hope he continues to go down the same narcissistic path with everything, until he goes to jail.

karynnj

(59,492 posts)
3. Stop and realize how Pelosi always HAD the votes when she said she did
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:34 AM
Mar 2017

Consider that Obama's task was far harder than the one the Republicans just failed. In addition to the House, where his 2009 bills passed, he had to get every single Democrat in the Senate. In contrast, the Republicans could lose 21 Republicans in the House.

Not to mention, creating a healthcare plan is harder than either altering it or voting it down.

What is surprising is that Mulvaney does not seem to get that work needs to be done up front to insure that they have the votes. Trump's comment blaming Democrats is even more bizzare when it is know that they moved the bill to the right to try to get all the tea party - losing some Republican moderates in the process. We all know the two parties are polarized on this. There were no Democrats in favor of the first version the goal of which they were 100% against, why would he think that having made it far worse, they would vote for it.

What is clear is that Price/Mulvaney/Trump et al are not master LBJ level negotiators, they can't see things that EVERYONE here could have told them. I suspect that their problem is that a REAL fix bill would have to come out of working with the Governors and fixing problems that were not forseen in 2009. Imagine a bill that both expanded Medicaid in all states and added a public option - insuring that no one has no plan to select and insuring choice, whereever the open market offered it. One great possibility for the public option is to allow people to buy into Medicad or Medicare - the latter being better because it is perceived as good.

Making that an option, I bet some Republicans would be open to adding back the funding Rubio and the Republicans added for the risk corridors. (With an available public option, they would favor that to avoid the drift to single payer.) Not to mention, I assume it would stop the game playing where Aetna quit in anger due to a merger with Humana not being approved. Throw in a change on how much drug companies could charge - maybe linking the maximum cost to what the company charges in another country.

That bill could likely get enough votes in both Houses, if there were no political parties. I think most if not all Democrats could agree to something like this if it was done right. The question is could enough Republicans agree if trump pushed something like this? The motivation for the policyless Trump is that he could call it a win. Given that, I could see Trump swinging .. but not enough Republican legislators to pass it in either House as a bipartisan bill.

riversedge

(70,007 posts)
10. Repubs will now do all they can to run ACA into the ground
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 08:08 AM
Mar 2017



....Making that an option, I bet some Republicans would be open to adding back the funding Rubio and the Republicans added for the risk corridors. (With an available public option, they would favor that to avoid the drift to single payer.) Not to mention, I assume it would stop the game playing where Aetna quit in anger due to a merger with Humana not being approved. Throw in a change on how much drug companies could charge - maybe linking the maximum cost to what the company charges in another country.

karynnj

(59,492 posts)
11. Absolutely, but it is STILL worthwhile for Democrats to craft solutions and
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 09:41 AM
Mar 2017

do all they can to publicize them. There is no real downside to that and it might help win the House and keep the Senate where it is or improve our numbers. It is always better to have a strong POSITIVE message in addition to the anger which often motivates a base (which is good), but usually doesn't pull in others. (Seriously, I know in my personal life - not reading or watching media - I did not see ANY of the huge wave of anger in 2010. In fact, I was still basking in the wonderfulness of having an awesome President who I respected and who inspired me. Like many, I thought I could greatly cut time spent on political boards.) Combiningthe anger the base has with various very strong positive messages could be stronger than the 2006 or 2010 anger.

IF in 2018, we take the House (which because of gerrymandering requires 2018 being a wave election - like 2006), then we could try to push some of these options.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
4. When ever I hear him speak I think "no way in hell am I going to buy an extended warranty". HE and
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:55 AM
Mar 2017

many of the Kremlin Krew's point drone remind me of super sleazy business people I've walked away from.

cstanleytech

(26,209 posts)
5. Because the bill didnt hurt enough people thats why the so called Freedom Caucus wouldnt support it
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

as they like to see people suffer, well everyone that isnt rich they like to see suffer.
Everyone that is rich already suffers to much because they have to pay some taxes according to them.

Maeve

(42,269 posts)
7. Which is part of why it failed
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:58 PM
Mar 2017

We have too many in politics who don't have a clue what government is or how it functions. You can't just order up votes like demanding widgets off the production line; you can't sell sizzle to those looking for actual meat and you can't take something people truly need away from them and make them happy about it.

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