Macron says long Trump handshake 'not innocent'
Source: Politico
Holding onto U.S. presidents hand showed he wont make even small concessions, French leader explains.
By KAIT BOLONGARO 5/28/17, 11:30 AM CET Updated 5/28/17, 12:43 PM CET
French President Emmanuel Macron said his extended handshake with Donald Trump before a NATO summit was not innocent and intended to show he did not make even small concessions.
In an interview with the Journal du Dimanche published on Sunday, the French leader said his interaction with the American head of state was a moment of truth.
My handshake with him was not innocent, Macron said. We need to show that we wont make small concessions, even symbolic ones, while not overhyping things either.
In the interview, Macron went on to compare Trumps attitude to power with that of Russias Vladimir Putin and Turkeys Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Donald Trump, the Turkish president or the Russian president believe in the logic of the trial of strength, which doesnt bother me. I dont believe in the diplomacy of public invective, but in my bilateral dialogues, I dont let anything pass, that is how we are respected, he said.
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Read more: http://www.politico.eu/article/macron-says-long-trump-handshake-not-innocent/
truthisfreedom
(23,141 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #2)
LOL Lib This message was self-deleted by its author.
Bucky
(53,984 posts)putitinD
(1,551 posts)more alternative facts, even from google.
samnsara
(17,613 posts)putitinD
(1,551 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)He's a malevolent narcissist FIRST. No one can get past that. Whether he's got an IQ of 60 or 160, his capacity to inflict evil knows no bounds.
iluvtennis
(19,843 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)She knows babies are precious and you take good care of them.
she knows she can hurt a dog or cat and is very careful with them.
doubt if he ever had those thoughts.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)110 is high end point of average. If so, Obama is a super over-achiever. As for Trump's I.Q. being 46 points over average and into genius, he is either the world's worst under achiever, has lost a lot of points to senility, or it just is NOT that high. It's pretty hard to get anyone's valid I.Q., even if that person is close to you.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)achievement. I doubt the Donald' s is anywhere near the top there, which could explain a lot.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...negative 50.
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)... is far important than how big it is.
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mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I mean, ladies have endeavored to be nice/tactful throughout history ... but word on the street is that their REAL feeling is: it's tough for men to accomplish anything of real merit when they have tiny ...
You know ...
HANDS.
Mz Pip
(27,434 posts)Who does these IQ tests? How are they administered? How are they even made public?
Hekate
(90,616 posts)murielm99
(30,724 posts)Stanford-Binet tests, if he actually had one of those tests. The results can vary from year to year in the same person. And, as someone here said, there are other ways of testing intelligence that do not use that system of numbering.
There are Gardner's intelligences, emotional intelligence, and other tests that measure intelligence rather than achievement. Some people may be geniuses in one, and only one area!
Many of the standard tests like the SAT and ACT no longer measure intelligence. They measure achievement. The last time I checked, the Miller Analogy Test still measured intelligence.
156 is a very high number. Few people test that high. I don't believe for one minute that his IQ is that high. Snopes has debunked this, too.
I am a member of Mensa. I have had my IQ tested more than once. I am not going to do it again, because it gets tiresome. I do know that there are a large number of tests that Mensa accepts as prior evidence. The applicant has to provide proof, and the proof has to be less than five years old.
I get tired of this. People do not understand intelligence, how it is measured, and yet they feel free to comment. I have done some reading about intelligence, but I am not an expert either. People lie about their IQ all the time.
I don't care what 45's IQ is. He is a dangerous madman who has some sort of ongoing mental deterioration. In addition, he has an average intelligence.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Can't quite put my finger on it though ...
tavernier
(12,374 posts)Hmmm. You too?
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)and many people in the education and psychological communities feel current IQ testing is biased.
That cultural bias shouldn't have affected either Obama or Trump, per se, but there has always been a question in the tests, at least in my own mind, of content validity past a certain age. You see, I've always felt that life and work experience, particularly that real-life experience in problem solving, allows one to get a much higher score than one would have gotten had one taken the test at an earlier age.
In addition, I've never seen the IQ score of a sitting or past POTUS expressed as a result of taking any nationally normed IQ test.
What? Really? Yes, it is true. Virtually all of the IQ scores you'll encounter are 'estimates' based on that president's speeches and actions, and flavored with the bias of the person doing the estimating.
So, when we estimate the IQ of someone like Obama, we see a scale on the low end of 116 and the high end of 150. Now, admittedly I'm biased toward the high end of those estimates based on evidence cited in the linked article - the guy is obviously a genius. To me. In fact to anyone who reads this post, I'd imagine. But ask Rush Limbaugh and you'd get a much lower estimate.
As to Trump, he was a mediocre student at best, but went to good schools. He inherited money from his father, so wasn't smart enough to make his own fortune (if we're going to call that ability 'smart,' which I don't necessarily do). But, he was dumb enough to go bankrupt four times and screw thousands of people and firms to which he owed money, some of whom were forced out of business as a result.
Try for the life of me, I just don't think Trump is that intelligent, except in one area. He is a genius in effective branding and marketing of himself. But, when I consider the plethora of weaknesses in other areas of life, I'm inclined to be on the low end, estimate-wise - maybe 115 to 120.
However, and it is a big however, we have possible mental illness and equally possible early-stage dementia. We also have a habitual laziness in vocabulary that took decades to form - the guy habitually uses maybe 800 words and becomes less articulate as more words become necessary. And he does not read. Those two factors drive what may have a higher IQ in youth down in adulthood.
At 70, Trump has nearly run his course in terms of human life span. So any bright IQ he had as a child or youth is likely to have ratcheted down over decades of laziness, sloppiness and bad habits.
God, what a long post in response to a joke....geez! Sometimes I marvel at my own obtuseness and selective lack of humor.
so here's me waving,
... and here's you, my reader, having an out of body experience if you even made it this far!
kristopher
(29,798 posts)There is a culture/language neutral IQ test using diagrammatic patterns.
Standard IQ tests are evaluated with age as part of the formula so your reasoning on this is correct and incorporated into the testing. The same percentage of correct answers when you are 8 will give you a higher score than when you are 28.
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PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)I'm glad to know that age is part of the eval formula.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,705 posts)Trump applied himself to cheating and stealing. He only tried to achieve things that would benefit himself.
MrPurple
(985 posts)Gothmog
(145,046 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)He'd have been lost at the first poly-syllabic word and probably screamed "shut up u stupid surrender monkey!" ... into the cold abyss ...
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...of many of his supporters, as well. "Sad."
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)karynnj
(59,500 posts)What is interesting is that Macron saw Trump's strange handshake behavior for what it clearly is - a way to signal domination. His response clearly angered Trump enough that he apparently tried it twice - failing both times. It is great that both Justin Trudeau and Macron beat Trump at his own game. That both are diplomatic, handsome, younger leaders, who might be seen as their country's Barack Obamas makes it even better.
northoftheborder
(7,571 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)If we as a race have one.
zentrum
(9,865 posts).....let's all go out an buy "french fries" if you remember this reference from the Bush years.
HelenWheels
(2,284 posts)Makes the news bearable when they have a picture of those two.
onecent
(6,096 posts)that doesn't blink an eye to someone who is "not there" most of the time. I commend you President Macron...you are a man
that stands up to be a man.
unblock
(52,163 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Maraya1969
(22,474 posts)everyone. It was magic!
Hekate
(90,616 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)democratic world leaders. tRump is leaning against a citizen-centered political economy already, but being shunned/one-upped makes it more solidly so.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)another page of Putin's playbook, has began trying to lay the groundwork for creating his own tight circle of oligarchs obligated to him with his recent tax reform budget. No one should be surprised by his contempt for our democratic allies and embrace of autocratic leaders. trump Wants nothing less than a dictatorship.
american_ideals
(613 posts)The other autocratic move in this budget is paying off the military. Autocrats always want to cozy up to the military.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)and timing, but IMO as much as we can delay him, the better off we - and the planet - will be.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Rollo
(2,559 posts)Shucks!
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BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Hopefully Macron will now do what upstart higher-primate males usually do when they defeat and usurp the previous 'leader' ...
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)dalton99a
(81,426 posts)Teachers Pet Macron Wants to Rewrite French Script
Emmanuel Macron rarely speaks about Amiens, where he met his wife then his high-school drama coach. Now hes focusing anew on his roots.
by John Follain and Mark Deen
April 18, 2017, 10:00 PM CDT
The son of a neurologist and a pediatrician, Macron was born in Amiens on the River Somme, which was heavily bombed during both world wars. Its economy has been blighted by the closure of a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant in 2014 and job losses at the Whirlpool Corp. appliance factory due next year.
Macrons bedroom at his house on rue Gaulthier de Rumilly, where he grew up with a younger brother and sister, was dominated by a big bookcase. It was decorated not with posters of rock stars or Che Guevara but with photographs of leading French writers, according to his friend Dartevelle.
The house is in an affluent, southern neighborhood of the city. Frances possible next First Lady, Brigitte Auziere, from a chocolate-making family, lived around the corner. A short walk away is their elite Jesuit school, a sprawling complex where religious studies were optional and which boasts a 750-seat amphitheater and a swimming pool.
At 15, Macron had the maturity of a 25-year-old, echoed Daniel Leleu, his ex-sports teacher. He preferred to spend his time talking with the teachers rather than his classmates.