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sandensea

(21,624 posts)
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 10:49 PM Jul 2017

Lawsuit seeks to void Georgia congressional election results

Source: AP

Georgia's electronic touchscreen voting system is so riddled with problems that the results of the most expensive House race in U.S. history should be tossed out and a new election held, according to a lawsuit filed in Fulton County Superior Court by the Colorado-based Coalition for Good Governance and voters who are members of the group.

It seeks to overturn the results of the June 20 runoff election between Republican Karen Handel and Democrat Jon Ossoff in Georgia's 6th Congressional District. Handel was declared the winner with 52% of the vote to Ossoff's 48%. The named defendants include Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, members of the State Election Board, local election officials in Fulton, Cobb and DeKalb counties and the Center for Election Systems at Kennesaw State University.

The lawsuit claims Georgia's touchscreen voting system has severe security problems, lacks verifiable paper ballots and cannot be legally used for elections. A judge in June threw out a related lawsuit earlier that attempted to force Georgia to use paper ballots. The new lawsuit comes weeks after the publication of a classified NSA report describing a sophisticated scheme, allegedly by Russian military intelligence, to infiltrate local U.S. elections systems using phishing emails.

The suit cites the work of private cybersecurity researcher Logan Lamb, who discovered last August that a misconfigured server had left Georgia's 6.7 million voter records and other sensitive files exposed to hackers. The complaint also notes that seven months after Lamb made that discovery, another researcher was able to do the same.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawsuit-seeks-to-void-georgia-congressional-election-results/ar-BBDLAK9?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout



Black-box voting: the perfect crime.
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Lawsuit seeks to void Georgia congressional election results (Original Post) sandensea Jul 2017 OP
This is a valid case and should be pursued. The Wielding Truth Jul 2017 #1
I suspect the courts will allow the results to stand though unless something comes along to cstanleytech Jul 2017 #12
+1 GreydeeThos Jul 2017 #14
Oh please YES! ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #2
Yep. I voted in Georgia 6 greymattermom Jul 2017 #3
There's always a chance. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #4
Let's prove those machines are FRAUDS once and for all FakeNoose Jul 2017 #5
results of 52-48 are a red flag to me. mopinko Jul 2017 #6
Handel winning by 4% was outside of the margin of error of all the polls MrPurple Jul 2017 #7
One week prior to the election.... SergeStorms Jul 2017 #13
The polls between 6/10 and 6/15 had Ossoff with a 1-3% lead onenote Jul 2017 #18
no it wasn't onenote Jul 2017 #17
Paper ballots only! Dopers_Greed Jul 2017 #8
Make it so kimbutgar Jul 2017 #9
Lots more here on GA voting machine issues, FBI probe into cyber attack GA election systems: Amaryllis Jul 2017 #10
the cynic in me thinks it's cute that a lawsuit has been filed orleans Jul 2017 #11
Yes, it's the perfect crime and it's been going on for well over a decade. stevepal Jul 2017 #15
I can sympathize with difficult touch screen (nt) question everything Jul 2017 #16

cstanleytech

(26,284 posts)
12. I suspect the courts will allow the results to stand though unless something comes along to
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 02:25 AM
Jul 2017

prove that the results actually were tampered with rather than had the potential to be tampered with.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. Oh please YES!
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jul 2017

This must happen, if only to draw attention to the problem! It's something that needs to draw a lot of attention from the MSM.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
3. Yep. I voted in Georgia 6
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:09 PM
Jul 2017

and the touch screens weren't even private. The machines all faced front where anyone could see how you voted.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
4. There's always a chance.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jul 2017

Man, it's difficult to get these election systems to use systems that at least have backup printouts of votes.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
5. Let's prove those machines are FRAUDS once and for all
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jul 2017

Those voting machines have to be taken out before next year's election.

There's too much riding on it, even though it's not a Presidential year. We need every Senator and HR member we can get to replace the ones that have been CHEATED out of office.

Re-running this GA special election would be a great start!


mopinko

(70,086 posts)
6. results of 52-48 are a red flag to me.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:49 PM
Jul 2017

seen waaaaaay too many fishy elections w those results.
you's think they would be bright enough to switch it up.

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
13. One week prior to the election....
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 04:10 AM
Jul 2017

Ossoff had as much as a 5% lead in the polls. That's almost a 10% swing post election, and these things ALWAYS swing the Republicans way. ALWAYS! I'd like to know the probability of that happening, but I'm terrible with Mathematics.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
18. The polls between 6/10 and 6/15 had Ossoff with a 1-3% lead
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:48 PM
Jul 2017

Getting 50 percent. His final total, 48.1, is well within the MOE of those polls.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
17. no it wasn't
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jul 2017

For most of the campaign, except for a couple of outlier polls, Ossoff polled between 47 and 51 percent in polls that typically had an MOE of at least 4 percent. That means that his numbers could have been between 43 and 47 percent. He ended up at 48.1. There were a number of undecided voters up until the last week and most, unsurprisingly for a fairly red district, broke for the repub.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/house/ga/georgia_6th_district_runoff_election_handel_vs_ossoff-6202.html#polls

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
10. Lots more here on GA voting machine issues, FBI probe into cyber attack GA election systems:
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 01:15 AM
Jul 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029226036
GA's Unverifiable E-Vote System Passwords, Voter Database, More, Found on Unsecured Server

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016185690
Voting Tech Experts to GA SOS Kemp RE FBI criminal probe into cyber attack of GA election systems

orleans

(34,050 posts)
11. the cynic in me thinks it's cute that a lawsuit has been filed
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 01:56 AM
Jul 2017

(florida, ohio, florida, ohio, florida, ohio)

and wishes them good luck anyway

 

stevepal

(109 posts)
15. Yes, it's the perfect crime and it's been going on for well over a decade.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:52 AM
Jul 2017

It's happening all over the country, primarily in the states where Republicans have charge of the officials handling the vote. Yet the evidence is overwhelming that the results don't match the exit polls, where trustworthy exit polls are available.

Take just one example. In the Dem primary this year, Hillary won the state (supposedly) by 2% pts over Sanders, and yet Sanders won by 17% over Hillary among the 3% of MA voters who did not use the opti-scan computers to count the vote but instead hand-counted the results. The 3% groups is perhaps slightly more conservative than the rest of the Dem voters in the state, so the sample (the 3%) is approximately the same as the voters in the rest of the state. If the figures I've given are correct, and I've seen them in several places and never seen the figures disputed, then the chances that Hillary actually won in MA are infinitesimally small. Jon Simon in CODE RED has an extensive analysis of MA using this natural and easy comparison for the Coakley/Brown (?) election.

Here in Wichita KS, Beth Clarkson, a statistician who works at the Natl Institute of Aviation Research (NIAR) in her private time, set up an exit poll herself in 6 precincts during the presidential election. She found that the statistical figures, in her view, indicated beyond doubt that the results were "rigged." And I would venture to say that she could have gotten exactly the same results if she'd done a similar exit poll for the election in WI or PA or the majority of the states in the union.

German outlawed voting machines in 2009 because the high court there said that unless an average voter can have confidence that the results are fair and honest, you can't have a democracy. 54 nations use hand-counted paper ballots. Overall, it's a good deal cheaper to hand-count the votes, the results are trustworthy because hand-counted paper ballots are the gold standard in reliability and trustworthiness, and in every way hand-counting paper ballots is far more democratic than using computers that are "trivially easy" to rig or hack.

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