GOP 101: Shocking increase in the percentage of Republicans who think college is bad for US
Source: Raw Story
Noor Al-Sibai NOOR AL-SIBAI
10 JUL 2017 AT 14:47 ET
According to a Pew poll, a majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning people believe that higher education is bad for America and the number has risen 45 percent since last year.
The poll found that 58 percent of right-leaning people (and 45 percent of people polled across the political spectrum) believe colleges and universities have a negative effect on the country.
By contrast, the poll found that 72 percent Democrats and left-leaning independents view higher education favorably a number the report noted hasnt changed much in recent years.
In addition to asking about colleges and universities, pollsters also asked the more than 2,500 people surveyed about their opinions on the media and a whopping 85 percent of Republican and right-leaning respondents said they view it negatively.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/gop-101-shocking-increase-in-the-percentage-of-republicans-who-think-college-is-bad-for-us/
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)For example, Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian muslim immigrant.
brush
(53,764 posts)TryLogic
(1,722 posts)Guess who prefers ignorance, superstition, and prejudice.
Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)A surprising number of parents become all up in arms and feel their kids are being "brainwashed." They don't like to hear their cherished beliefs, no matter how crackpot, being challenged. If these beliefs involve their individual concepts of religion, get ready to duck the heavy assault!
Joe Nation
(962 posts)Every statistic on higher education says that you earn more over your lifetime, you live a longer, healthier, and more productive life as education increases. It IS the silver bullet that eradicates poverty. But when you aren't educated, you believe that education is a bad thing. I bet every one of these anti-intellectuals worships money as the solution to all their problems too.
DBoon
(22,356 posts)Nt
Joe Nation
(962 posts)from the Right for decades. They've demonized it, cut funding for it, and made it so damn expensive, that less and less people can afford a quality educational experience. They want to profitize higher education rather than make it available to the masses. We all know how for-profit anything turns out. Greed and mismanagement rule the day once there is a profit to be made off of anything.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)'sides, thems just book lernin'.
DBoon
(22,356 posts)if not before
certainot
(9,090 posts)include a the talk radio qualifier?
if pollsters really want to provide useful information they might want to include that part that explains why so many republicans are fucking idiots from an alternate reality
it is almost a regular topic on 1000 radio stations - useless liberal universities and their idiot professors are destroying the country - and here's the latest story of some silly student at such and such a university who believes such and such or a course studying this ridiculous topic.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)it's nothing shocking here.
There isn't much talk of any alternatives the conservatives might have for their children to pursue careers. One would think they would advocate for skilled trades or military service or something while they wait for Trump to bring back coal and factory jobs.
But it looks like the "don't bother with college" messages have been increasing more recently towards "college will ruin your life".
certainot
(9,090 posts)or their kids hate them so sending them off to war is always an option - just need to make more war and misery
and the rich ones don't want the don jrs to have to compete
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Fancy librum edjuumakation.
benld74
(9,904 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)kairos12
(12,852 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)there would be some benefit if this resulted in a lower percentage of their children in decision-making positions as adults.
I suspect, though, that they are being encouraged to support destruction of mandatory, taxpayer-supported public education, and this arises from that -- that they don't support higher education and its pernicious, supposedly liberalizing effects for OTHER people's children. Anti-tax Kochster-funded attitude development, of course.
Btw, studies are showing the "liberalizing" effects on conservatives are far less than imagined. Education enables strong conservatives to produce longer-winded arguments for beliefs that can be every bit as fact-denying as their parents'. Personality rules.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)irisblue
(32,967 posts)sheshe2
(83,744 posts)The uneducated are their voting base.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)angrychair
(8,694 posts)I will admit, for me personally, I see an amazing value in a good college education but the cost is prohibitively expensive.
Saddling young people or worse middle-aged lower income people with massive student loan debt is almost criminal.
LisaM
(27,801 posts)I still think it's possible to get a good education at a decent cost, but not if you want to go to a prestigious university. There are many smaller schools and commuter schools where you can get a degree at a cost that's not prohibitive - and take some good classes, too. You can also fare better financially if you start at a community college or two-year school and then transfer.
I think it's also muddied by the fact that we've decided that college degrees are earned only to be parlayed into high paying jobs, not to just be a better-educated person. So people become resentful at the need to go to college.
Add into this mix that we've somehow - as a society, not as liberals or progressives - put a stigma on vocational schools and jobs. We need plumbers and electricians and mechanics and repairmen - and we should be better funding the programs that earn them the two-year degrees they need to get those jobs.
angrychair
(8,694 posts)But in my case, I had no opportunity as a youth, so I was in my late 20s before I started college. I was being pushed, denied jobs and promotions with the "if you only had a degree" excuse. In the early 90s and to a certain extent even today, there were/are very little options for people that also have full time day jobs.
The irony is that I have 2 AA, a BA and 3 classes from my MBA and have accumulated enough technical certifications to wallpaper a office but it has never offset the incredible expense and time spent to obtain that education.
I see it all the time though. I have come to believe that an education alone, even a good one, is not enough. There are a lot of people, with very solid degrees, from good universities, that are not working in the field they spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to learn. I work in IT, my supervisor has a degree in Forestry. What can matter so much more is who you know and being at the right place at the right time.
Meanwhile, the debt I accumulated from my late 20s to late 30s is crushing and now in my late 40s I am still trying to pay it off as best I can but i will never see daylight. I am barely paying the interest much less the principal.
Could I have done it differently? Sure, there are better ways I could have managed it, I know better now but that was hard earned wisdom. I didn't have parents or family or concerned college counselors to advice me. I had to figure it out as I went with little to no resources and a desperate need to try and improve the lot in life for my family. Simply put, it is possible to get a decent living wage from a good education but the path has many pitfalls and the costs, in time and money, can be debilitating for much of the balance of your adult life.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They believe higher education ITSELF is overall bad for the country.
No doubt especially some strong conservatives who send their adolescents off to get that diploma that declares them members of the middle class and get back rather estranged young adults prone to explaining why many of their core beliefs are wrong, or refusing to discuss serious beliefs at all.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)it's not bad, it's just outrageously expensive. and who is responsible for that? the repukes with their student loan grifting scam.
Podkayne K
(145 posts)they might be thinking about Trump U!
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)tom_kelly
(958 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Well, duuuh
calimary
(81,220 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:58 PM - Edit history (1)
On edit (because I couldn't put this in, earlier) - this reminds me of something kkkarl rove is quoted as saying: "Too much education is not necessarily a good thing."
Gee, wonder why, 'eh? The more Dumbfuckistan can expand, the better for the GOP. When you're not well-educated, you're much easier to CON. You're less sophisticated and therefore an easier mark that way.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)They refuse to get an education and then whine about how "their" jobs are being taken by "furriners."
Funny how that works.
BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)is hard! It hurts their little punkin heads. All them evil ideas. (You know the one's you and I share...)
Mickju
(1,800 posts)My career would have gone nowhere.
Johnny2X2X
(19,038 posts)These ignorant masses are being duped. They've been sold this fantasy that most successful people are self made business men who never even graduated high school. They view college as a bastion of Liberalism.
This group is truly lost.
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)say that universities were liberal brain washing buildings. ugh.
iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)...for themselves and their kids. Having a brain goes a long way in the world. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyone who doesn't got to college - heck neither of my parents went - they were just hardworking blue collar folks. However, they did want education for their kids. This is just unbelievable
bhowle
(35 posts)Stargazer99
(2,584 posts)They just want the common man dumbed down so the common man is easier to manipulate
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and lessen govt expense in financing student loans.
While it makes sense that people who aren't good at school work, or have a desire to be a plumber or whatever, not go through the expense and time going to college...that doesn't apply to most people.
A red flag should go up when someone who is college educated, esp. if he has a financial interest in the subject (like a politician who is connected to the govt that gives student loans), tells the public that having a college education is unnecessary and may even be undesirable.
Governments throughout history have not wanted a public that is well educated. They write things, they catch on to things, they are more knowledgeable and probably more independent thinking. Not good for governments. The stupid masses who blindly work at low paying jobs are what is most desirable, except for the hand picked ones to fill spots in tech, medicine, etc. Even then, those workers can be shipped in via Visas.
While may college grads can't find jobs (or at least the jobs they want), it is still true that college grads MAKE MORE MONEY throughout their lifetimes than non-grads. And there's no guarantee of a job even if you DON'T get a college degree and opt instead for a trade school.
Plus, a college education is not ONLY to provide a basis for employment. It is for that, but also is for a general education that adds depth and meaning and fulfillment to one's life. It teaches a person discipline (in sticking with a program for four years), it teaches discussion without anger, it teaches how to get along in an intellectual environment with others who think differently, it broadens exposure to different areas of life (like biology, literature, history, music, philosophy, logic, physics, etc.).
Don't listen when people who are college educated tell YOU that YOU don't need that. It's possibly true, but I would seek another source for advice on that.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)Is so out of control.
Decades of being ginned up over the evil liberal boogyman.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)How can higher education be bad? Because it opens the mind to new perspectives?
I'm so tired of the anti-intellectualism of the right wing. Nixon started it in 1952, when he called Adlai Stevenson an 'egghead.'
It took less than 20 years for the party to formulate an elegant and far-reaching plan to quash American intellectualism so the populace could be tricked into systematically giving its tax money to corporations in the form of tax breaks, tax loopholes and defense contracts rather than insisting our money be used for programs and services that make our lives better.
I refer, of course, to the Powell memorandum written in 1971 to the US Chamber of Commerce. This memo laid out the strategy to get this nation to where it is today, hastened by Reagan allowing the Fairness Doctrine to die in 1987.
A mere 30 years later, where do we find ourselves? With a polarized population on the brink of civil war, the anti-intellectual side heavily armed (who needs a book when you have an M-60 machine gun?). With earned benefits programs like Social Security and Medicare threatening to disappear as politicians who have long since eschewed statesmanship solemnly mouth the lie that they are 'entitlements." No...we EARNED these benefits by paying into them for years and years. They are not entitlements.
We find ourselves in danger of having the rest of the social programs gutted so the capitalists can privatize everything, because hey, the old invisible hand of the market will take care of everything for us. So we work longer hours, take shorter vacations, watch our wages stagnate while prices of everything go up, watch our children bury themselves in student debt courtesy of predatory private colleges, and shiver in fear when talking heads tell us we aren't safe and need more and more money routed to 'defense.'
Oh, and by the way, the freedoms we enjoy - we need to curtail those because we can either have the Bill of Rights OR safety, but not both.
And, say the big-oil executives and the politicians they've bought lock, stock and barrel, we can either have a clean environment OR jobs, but not both.
The university educated executives on Wall Street laugh at us while bundling derivatives, because Republicans have tricked us into acquiescing to gutting them 'job killin' regulashuns.' Bubble anyone?
Meanwhile we have the Freedom Caucus - with intellectual giants like Louie Gohmert telling us we cannot afford even the most basic services, and thieves like McConnell and Ryan who don't think Americans deserve ANY healthcare but don't have anything to replace what we have except their own version of death panels.
And the populace? Nearly 20% still think Obama is a Muslim. 25% don't believe in evolution. Millions believe the world is less than 10,000 years old and the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
So....this isn't very cheerful, is it? That is what stupidity does. And stupid and mean? That's a REALLY bad combo, and we've got that now.
But we don't want no edy-cashun, cause that might cause us to be lib-er-ul.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Burdening people with undischargeable loans for life.
I went to college got a degree in economics and a JD. The economics degree was almost wholly useless and I was taught fiction. Understanding the techniques of economics has some value. Finance courses were great, statistics even more. But most college grads take neither.
The JD could have been 1.5 years. A lot of wasted time. But I played a lot of golf so there was that.
I was lucky to have scholarships and grad assistantships to pay for almost all of it.
Most people cannot do college level work. Nothing against them but a 110 IQ appears the minimum to do college calculus. If the curriculum is dumbed down (no calculus) you are just giving them a very expensive achievement award.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I can think of two reasons why they hate education with such bile. First, they have not yet found a way to transform the American educational system into a mouthpiece for right-wing propaganda. Republicans HATE anything that is not fully in line with their vile dreams of complete social control. Second, being authoritarians, Republicans HATE educated people because they are harder to control. Most educated people have strong critical thinking skills, and tend to explore many different ideas, world views and philosophies throughout their lives. Republicans think their ideas, their world view and their philosophy is THE ONLY right one. Republicans want minions who will accept and parrot what they are told to say and believe and think. And so Republican hate radio and media mercilessly lambastes the American education with all they can throw at it.
sinkingfeeling
(51,445 posts)Matthew28
(1,797 posts)The kind of religious people they want to create are people that will vote in a religious dictatorship.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)Things are always evil when you can't or won't understand what needs to be done.
Tikki
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The rest of us would be better off.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)So to the degree that critical thought is learned in college, its very bad for Republicans.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)Keep everyone ignorant so they can only do unskilled labor jobs which are increasingly being taken over by robotics.
The right wing propaganda machine has not only brainwashed the Republicans it is setting them up for extinction.
Best_man23
(4,897 posts)Fat, Republican, and Stupid is no way to go through life, Son.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The first groups in the crosshairs are always the press, the intellectuals and the artists...
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)Of course they are against knowledge and education
dalton99a
(81,450 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)An educated mind is the last thing those fascists want.