NYT rejects Manafort's retraction request

[DonViejo]

Source: Politico



By HADAS GOLD 07/20/2017 09:48 PM EDT

The New York Times has rejected a retraction request from former Donald Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

Manafort demanded The New York Times retract an article published Wednesday, which reported he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Trump's presidential campaign in March 2016.

In the article, Mike McIntire reports based off of audited financial statements filed with government authorities in Cyprus, that the money was owed by shell companies connected to Manafort’s consulting business with a pro-Russia Party of Regions in the Ukraine.

"The Cyprus documents obtained by The New York Times include audited financial statements for the companies, which were part of a complex web of more than a dozen entities that transferred millions of dollars among them in the form of loans, payments and fees,” McIntire wrote.




Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/07/20/nyt-rejects-manaforts-retraction-request-240782

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. "...based off of ..."

Good God. Are the editors at Politico under 30 as well?

Please somebody tell them that you base ON, not "off of." Fucksake.

[annabanana]

2. lol.. That's what happens when you regularly

"write as you speak" on social media.

[Blue_Adept]

3. The 1930's?

It has an interesting linguistic history, albeit a small one.

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2016/05/based-off.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. In other words, it was extremely rare until about ten years ago

It is now nearly a universal usage for people under 25, and maybe 30.

Listen, I'm not a prescriptivist when it comes to this stuff, and agree with the article, mostly. But that usage just grates on me, Blue. I don't know why! I let lots of other new phrases go. But "based off of..." No. I can't have it!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. it sounds terrible (off of). I dont blame you for reacting poorly to it

i do as well.

some new phrases are improvements, some just sound icky.

[janx]

12. I teach college English and see it often.

I think people are somehow getting "bounced off of" and "based on" mixed up. It drives me nuts.

[mr_lebowski]

16. What I really loath is people using the word 'anymore' as though it was a synonym for 'nowadays'

Because it IS NOT that.

It is a synonym for 'any longer'.

It's only supposed to be used when referring to something that is no longer happening, not something that IS happening.

Correct: We used to spend Sundays at the Beach, we don't anymore.
INcorrect: Anymore we go to the park on Sundays instead of the beach.

People use it to mean 'nowadays' ALL the time anymore (see what I did there?) and it drives me nucking futs.

I also really hate when people say 'jive' ... when the word they're looking for ... is 'jibe'.

And don't get me started on 'begs the question' ...

[temporary311]

22. Hmm.

I also really hate when people say 'jive' ... when the word they're looking for ... is 'jibe'.

So I've been using it wrong all these years. Guess I'm the jibe turkey now.

[mr_lebowski]

24. In the phrase 'Jive Turkey', that is the proper use of 'jive' :)

It's incorrect when used like 'your stories don't jive' (as in ... 'with one another'). Jibe is the proper word in that context.

[janx]

29. I deal with all of that and also realize

that language changes and is often regional. But I can't teach college students academic English without correcting some of these.

Fiction writing is another story....

[thesquanderer]

10. Subtle difference?

I "basically" agree, but to me the unqualified phrase "based on" implies a more solid connection, and that the item it is based on is the sole source of the information, whereas to me, "based off of" seems to communicate something a little less precise, like it could be based on other things as well, or more "interpretation" could be involved. Just me?

This reminds me of how it took me a while to come around to people saying they were "waiting on" something rather than "waiting for" something. But "waiting on" does seem to communicate something more, that it is holding you up, more specifically impeding you from doing something. Of course "waiting for" can be used that way as well, but "waiting on" is more specific to that circumstance, and seems to communicate greater urgency and relevance to a particular event. But again, maybe it's just me...

[janx]

31. Those people are just getting their prepositions mixed up.

It's not a crime, but you don't want to write that way unless you are writing poetry or fiction from some character's perspective.

[spooky3]

13. +1

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. I looked for any uses in reference books

"Barron's ACT" uses "based off" twice - once in a sample passage for a comprehension test ("based off of a dream Dali experienced" ), and once in an example of an essay answer (" a system based off of their international counterparts" ) - that scores 10, with the highest 12, and the lowest 2. "The Handy Communication Answer Book" from Visible Ink Press has an article that uses "based on" 9 times, and "based off" (no 'of') twice. Wiley's Encyclopedia of Special Education uses "based off of" once.

I think these books are far more likely to have writers and editors over 30 than Politico, where I genuinely do think they'll typically be that young. I think it's been around for longer than you imagine.

"Off of" sounds a bit clumsy to me, but just "based off" went straight past me. It doesn't worry in the slightest, and I'm generally sensitive to usages.

[PSPS]

20. LOL. Remember Edwin Newman's sign? "Abandon 'hopefully' all ye who enter here."

[tblue37]

23. That is a fight I keep having with my college students, but they hear

"based off of" so frequently in their social groups and on TV, and see it so often online, that they can't seem to break the habit.

[marybourg]

27. That's based off of this new usage: a person is now

"based out of" a place, as in "he's based out of N.Y.", instead of the former usage. "he's based in N.Y.".

I guess it came from "he works out of his home", but based is not a synonym for works. But that's what happens when you refine your language skills through hearing (TV) instead of reading (books).

[janx]

30. Yep.

And Orwell was right ( in terms of "Politics and the English Language&quot . It's not just political. People naturally parrot what they hear without thinking.

[marybourg]

32. Here's another example of "newspeak"

I saw this morning:

CNET-- Want to work for Amazon? If you're down to sling packing tape and stuff plastic air bladders into boxes, the company has a job for you.

We used to say "up for", but now, in this brave new world, where any preposition can substitute for any other, we get down to".

[Paladin]

4. I'll gladly put up with some clumsy phrasing from the NYT....

if it contributes to Manafort's ratting out and taking down the trump empire.

[orangecrush]

5. K&R

Great response by the Times!

[turbinetree]

6. I just wonder what Wilbur Ross is thinking, besides oh sh*t, Cyprus Bank time frame

[underpants]

26. I knew it was going to eventually connect to Cypress

TROUBLE

[turbinetree]

28. It is absolutely amazing that media, the corporate media, is not asking questions

lets run a sixty minutes show on this stuff, we have been getting Hayes, Maddow and O'Donnell, but what has the public heard from CBS for example, ABC, or even NBC

No wonder the country is going to hell and the hand bag, ever since the 1980's when ray gun, really started this BS

[PatSeg]

7. Manafort must have thought he was still in Russia

Oops, forgot we still have freedom of speech here.

[vkkv]

11. Heh heh heh ha ha haa HA HA HA !!!!!

[Gothmog]

14. What is the grounds for the retraction?

[Alice11111]

21. I don't know, but Manafort just red flagged the article. It will be everywhere now. HaHaHa

[zentrum]

15. Hope to God

...these documents are real and not set-ups, in the same way they set up Dan Rather with fake documents (that nonetheless contained the truth about Bush's army evasion).

[Nitram]

18. The NYT knows the stakes and the high possibility of Russian forgeries.

I'm sure they had documents checked out by more than one expert.

[zentrum]

25. My basic thoughts too. But

....now feel an excess of caution.

[Nitram]

17. How sweet it is.