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herding cats

(19,558 posts)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:09 AM Jul 2017

Exclusive: Mueller asks WH staff to preserve all documents relating to June 2016 meeting

Source: CNN

Exclusive: Mueller asks WH staff to preserve all documents relating to June 2016 meeting

By Dana Bash, CNN
Updated 11:00 AM ET, Fri July 21, 2017
WaPo, NYT: Trump legal team trying to undercut Mueller

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Mueller sent a notice, called a document preservation request, to White House staff
Request includes text messages, emails, notes, voicemails and other communications

(CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked the White House to preserve all documents relating to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort had with a Russian lawyer and others, according to a source who has seen the letter.

Mueller sent a notice, called a document preservation request, asking White House staff to save "any subjects discussed in the course of the June 2016 meeting" and also "any decisions made regarding the recent disclosures about the June 2016 meeting," according to the source, who read portions of the letter to CNN.
The letter from Mueller began: "As you are aware the Special Counsel's office is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump. Information concerning the June 2016 meeting between Donald J Trump Jr and Natalia Veselnitskaya is relevant to the investigation."

The preservation request is broad and includes text messages, emails, notes, voicemails and other communications and documentation regarding the June 2016 meeting and any related communication since then.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/robert-mueller-russia-investigation-trump-tower-meeting/index.html

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Exclusive: Mueller asks WH staff to preserve all documents relating to June 2016 meeting (Original Post) herding cats Jul 2017 OP
"Asking" them for anthing is useless Bayard Jul 2017 #1
That's what I was thinking. bearsfootball516 Jul 2017 #2
And if it becomes necessary defacto7 Jul 2017 #9
It's just a formality. Like asking a perp to lift his chin up for the mug shot. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2017 #5
That kind of request is an order, in legal terms. Anything they do or have done becomes ... Hekate Jul 2017 #25
"Asking" likely means Special Counsel already has them. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2017 #33
I am sure they have already burned those notes. DK504 Jul 2017 #3
yes. My first thought was--Mueller is only doing this now?? The article does not say when the riversedge Jul 2017 #4
This part's good... mobeau69 Jul 2017 #6
republican aides who failed to report republican treason to authorities Achilleaze Jul 2017 #7
Yep moda253 Jul 2017 #8
Pardon me? defacto7 Jul 2017 #11
OOOHHHH!!! Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #10
Yeah, good luck with that. louis-t Jul 2017 #12
Watch; they "lose" all the emails and Gowdy, Chaffetz, and Nunes will say with a straight face: Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #13
trump has said he doesn't email. I don't believe that. Sunlei Jul 2017 #18
I don't know ReformedGOPer Jul 2017 #19
Trump J_William_Ryan Jul 2017 #14
Mueller probably believes MontanaMama Jul 2017 #15
I don't think he's that naive BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #17
I sure hope you're right. MontanaMama Jul 2017 #23
It all boils down to one thing BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #26
They should know they will do jail time if docs are destroyed. Pauldg47 Jul 2017 #21
They will be traitorous. Pauldg47 Jul 2017 #22
I think and hope Mueller knows exactly at this point what hes up against......... Old Vet Jul 2017 #28
Hope he has the investigation MontanaMama Jul 2017 #29
remember the day trump was angry at his admin,-WH security?collected info off everyones cells? Sunlei Jul 2017 #16
Here's a thought PJMcK Jul 2017 #20
"a deep pit of hurt that will make him regret he ever ran for president." BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #32
Well, those documents have probably been permanently destroyed. Kablooie Jul 2017 #24
If it was me, I'd subpoena them. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2017 #27
KnR Hekate Jul 2017 #30
It will be the mother of all parties when tRump is gone... Sancho Jul 2017 #31
I suspect that Mueller already has what he needs bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #34
righhhhht, because they will naturally obey this request. I mean, it isn't like they would niyad Jul 2017 #35
Meaningless tazmaniac Jul 2017 #36
That shit was "lost" long ago. judesedit Jul 2017 #37

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
2. That's what I was thinking.
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jul 2017

If anything, this will just make the White House burn any documents that they have on it.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. And if it becomes necessary
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jul 2017

they'll burn the White House down. They'll stop at nothing while it's run by the mob. They need no scruples or honor, just an alibi and the words "prove it".

Oh, and the words, "I pardon thee".

Hekate

(90,549 posts)
25. That kind of request is an order, in legal terms. Anything they do or have done becomes ...
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:06 PM
Jul 2017

...destruction of evidence hereon.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
33. "Asking" likely means Special Counsel already has them.
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jul 2017

Now he looks to see what is missing from Trump's documents.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
3. I am sure they have already burned those notes.
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jul 2017

If they are not able to produce the documents all of them can be charged with obstruction. I wonder if the WH 'counsel' understands that little tidbit.

riversedge

(70,073 posts)
4. yes. My first thought was--Mueller is only doing this now?? The article does not say when the
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jul 2017

memo was sent (I read the article and may have missed it)

mobeau69

(11,132 posts)
6. This part's good...
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jul 2017

"CNN reported last week that the White House scramble to respond to revelations about Donald Trump Jr.'s emails may have exposed the aides involved to special counsel scrutiny about what they learned about that meeting."

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
7. republican aides who failed to report republican treason to authorities
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jul 2017

are also guilty of betraying the United States of America.

Lock the traitors up.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
13. Watch; they "lose" all the emails and Gowdy, Chaffetz, and Nunes will say with a straight face:
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jul 2017

It's not a big deal; people in government lose things all the time. Now, about Benghazi.....

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
15. Mueller probably believes
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jul 2017

he is dealing with people who respect our government and its protocols. They respect nothing but money and power. They've been purging documents like a house a fire. Traitors.

BumRushDaShow

(128,435 posts)
17. I don't think he's that naive
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jul 2017

He has lawyers on staff that have dealt with various mob bosses and there is nothing "government" about them in terms of having any expectations of document production. It's more a formality which can be used to nail them if they did destroy something that they got a copy of from someone else later.

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
23. I sure hope you're right.
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jul 2017

I never thought we would be witnessing the combination of evil and stupid with the criminal cabal that has infiltrated out country.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
28. I think and hope Mueller knows exactly at this point what hes up against.........
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jul 2017

And at this point knows hes dealing with the liar in chief, Big time.

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
29. Hope he has the investigation
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jul 2017

on warp speed. I cannot imagine the stress knowing that the future of America is on your shoulders.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. remember the day trump was angry at his admin,-WH security?collected info off everyones cells?
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jul 2017

1)Mueller needs that information for the investigation.

2)Didn't his campaign use the program for texts where messages disappear after they are read?

3) was it earlier then June 2016 when Giuliani spoke about his friends the "retired" FBI & anticipated dumps of stolen files on wikileaks ?

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
20. Here's a thought
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jul 2017

Upthread, several posters commented that they are surprised that Robert Mueller is asking for the preservation of documents at this late date. Perhaps there are reasons for this.

News reports have indicated that Mr. Mueller was unaware of Junior's meeting on June 16, 2016. This seems reasonable since no one had ever commented on it until Junior spilled the beans. At that point, Mr. Mueller's team would have started looking at the meeting and the email chains associated with it. And that leads us to the next point.

Generally, prosecutors don't ask questions if they don't have a broad understanding of what the answers will mean. In this context, perhaps once Mr. Mueller started digging into Junior's meeting, a lot of other information became available. For example, emails or text replies from "persons of interest" in the case. This kind of investigation can take some time. Having done the homework, Mr. Mueller can now test the veracity of people from Trump's campaign: if he has their email and they don't know it, Mr. Mueller can probe his witnesses with the knowledge he has in reserve. This is a powerful technique for an investigator.

I'm not as skeptical as many people are about Mr. Mueller's investigation. Apparently, Trump's lawyers are trying to dig up dirt on him and his team. Good luck with that. Trump is falling into a deep pit of hurt that will make him regret he ever ran for president.

BumRushDaShow

(128,435 posts)
32. "a deep pit of hurt that will make him regret he ever ran for president."
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jul 2017

That's the thing - he and the rest of the TFEE have been flying under the radar for so long - always keeping one step ahead of the NY AG and U.S. Attorneys for the SDNY, that they figured they could continue to operate like that while employed by the federal government.

Sad thing is that he has gone this long in the position only because the Congress run by his party has been completely complicit by stalling and/or refusing to carry out investigations... if only to try to get their own agendas enacted before he is snagged, country be damned.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
34. I suspect that Mueller already has what he needs
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jul 2017

All electronic data, emails etc already captured by nsa.

Only hand delivered memos and stuff sent by snail mail/ups etc might be destroyable.

Then you compare what they give you with what you have....and voila.

Tthe only thing missing from this white house is a clown car and a tent...

niyad

(113,049 posts)
35. righhhhht, because they will naturally obey this request. I mean, it isn't like they would
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017

have destroyed those documents already. treasonous, traitorous thugs know not to leave a paper trail.

tazmaniac

(114 posts)
36. Meaningless
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jul 2017

to these scumbags! Just like having them testify "under oath"-it means nothing to them-they will still lie like the scumbags that they are-we will never hear any truth or see any real documents from any of them!!

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