Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives made its election-year arguments Wednesday in the tax-cut battle roiling Capitol Hill, rejecting a plan to preserve middle-class breaks while backing a measure that safeguards wealthier taxpayers.
The Democratic bill resembled President Barack Obama's tax plan, which calls for letting the Bush-era tax cuts expire for incomes of more than $250,000 for couples and $200,000 for individuals. The Republican measure would extend all the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels, but end breaks passed in 2009 that help about 25 million middle-class households.
Each side made stark arguments, with Democrats casting the issue as protecting the middle class, and Republicans countering that they were safeguarding small businesses and jobs.
"The president wants to raise taxes on the so-called rich," said House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). "Well, let me tell you who the so-called rich are. About a million of those people that you want to increase taxes on are small business owners."
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/obama-tax-cuts-house_n_1730734.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)What's left of them.
jpbollma
(552 posts)Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)may3rd
(593 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)jinx1
(45 posts)douglas9
(4,358 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)I wanna see which idiots voted with the repigs on this.
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)More truthfully "The president wants to raise taxes on the so-called rich," said House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). "Well, let me tell you who the so-called rich are. Me! And most of my fellow congressmen and Senators. There's no way we will vote to raise taxes on ourselves!"
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Then Obama can introduce his OWN tax plan and we stop talking about "The Bush Tax Cuts".
He needs to START by adding brackets. The whole 3 bracket scheme has divided America into the whole poor-middle-upper class we have today and far too many middle class people actually BELIEVE they are members of the upper class.
FOX "News" is backing up that belief.
may3rd
(593 posts)on the campaign trail.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Just tell everyone Republicans voted to raise taxes.
harun
(11,348 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Maybe one for a million and another for those making 10 million a year.
The PROBLEM is FOX "News" is telling their viewers that whole "million dollars" thing is for people's net worth. They lump in your house and all of your possessions including the value of your insurance policies and line of credit and your business if you have one and it makes some jackass in Indiana who owns a lumber yard believe he's on par with JP Morgan.
People can't picture CLEARING a million dollars a year every year and they don't get that the higher tax doesn't effect that million, only what goes over that. In other words, if you make $1,000,030.00 the higher rate is only on the $30. The first million is the same as someone making $20,000.
harun
(11,348 posts)Angleae
(4,482 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)jmowreader
(50,555 posts)Married filing jointly:
10% - up to $17,000
15% - $17,001 - $69,000
25% - $69,001 - $139,350
28% - $139,351 - $212,300
33% - $212,301 - $379,150
35% - $379,151 or more
And speaking of Boner's assertion that "about a million of the people you want to raise taxes on are small business owners," how many of them are Amway types, day traders, house flippers, people running businesses with no employees outside the family, and other "make your own job" people? There is a difference between a small businessman who has employees, is meeting a payroll, etc., and a small businessman who runs a hot dog stand all by himself.
dtom67
(634 posts)Dear Boner,
I think the Presidents tax increase will only effect 2 or 3 percent of small businesses.
Of course, you already know that.
You are the member of the House that I would most like to see Tarred and feathered.
P.S. You will be damned to hell for your actions.
Have you ever seen the eye of a needle?
elleng
(130,865 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Because that would mean he profited more then 250k
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I have gotten by on a shoestring for so long, I'd be really uncomfortable with so much money.
elleng
(130,865 posts)Take THAT to the voting booth!!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)when the tax cuts came, my pay was affected a whopping $5 a paycheck. I made $65k a year then.
caveat_imperator
(193 posts)I haven't had a full time job since the summer of 2001. Jobs were nearly everywhere with the Clinton tax rates.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)not anymore.
methodman
(23 posts)The attitude of the House is more like Earache my eye by Cheech and Chong.
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)The Party of NO strikes once again.
If you can afford a Yacht, Mansion, Jet Air Plane and a six figure automobile then you need a TAX HIKE.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)98% of Americans and 97% of businesses and claim that it is a jobs bill? What it really does net is to cost jobs, not create jobs -- just ask CBO. So, how does Grover Norquist feel about this, including ending the middle-class tax breaks passed in 2009 that helped about 25 million middle-class households. Or does the Norquist pledge only apply to Republican sponsored tax breaks.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)How Repubicans create jobs:
1. They cut spending, allow tax breaks to expire, etc., which causes...oh, let's say 1000...jobs to be lost.
2. They then do a little Keynesianism, which causes 600 jobs to be created--jobs that pay less than the 1000 they killed, with fewer if any benefits and worse working conditions.
3. The Repubicans then run to the nearest TV camera and tell the world that we should vote for Repubicans (I left out the "L" by accident, then realized it looked so appropriate this way I decided to keep it) because they just created 600 jobs.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)In an election year, no less. Remember all those snide comments you folks--and you know who you are--made about President Obama's tax cut rope-a-dope in December 2010?
Well, this is the knockout punch you didn't believe was coming. Obama boom ba yay!
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Extended by Congress and Obama for TWO years.
I didn't like them then, don't like them now.
The cynicism of what was done in 2010 has come back to haunt the cowards and hypocrites. But hey, although they may be cowards and hypocrites, they're OUR cowards and hypocrites, so two years later it's time to lather up into righteous high dudgeon.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Those cowards and hypocrites lured the Republicans into this trap in December, 2010, by enticing Republicans into a two-year expiration date.
Now, those Republican weasels had to hit seven out of ten of all American voters straight in the wallet.
And guess what comes next? A round of commercials in every Congressional district in the country which says, quite truthfully, that the Republican incumbent VOTED AGAINST A MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT.
And after that, undecided voters realize that they can vote all-D and pay themselves. Republicans who hate Obama can save face by staying home... and paying themselves. Democrats smell blood in the water, because if they show interest when Republican voters do not, they win big... and pay themselves.
Have you ever met a Republican who didn't take the money?
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)to blunt an effective attack.
They will argue they voted against ANY tax increase and it will be bought hook, line, and sinker as per the always.
Anyone that paid attention in Dealing with TeaPubliKlan Bullshit 101 (aka as the last 30+ years of living in America) has internalized and accepted that the only way to have any shot whatsoever of breaking that line is to let the cuts all expire and come back with new cuts. The bad part is too many have been oblivious to their shit and have failed to do exactly that while hemorrhaging ability to deal forcefully on the issue.
My way has no guarantee of success but what we are trying has minimal odds on the best of days.
They have been allowed to do the almost impossible, defend themselves using the truth (despite being unholy spin and a pure frame job). As things stand they are actually voting against a tax increase on the wealthy, there is no "cut" for the middle class but rather maintaining the status quo. People have had the reduction for over a decade, there is no "actual" rate for younger people because this is all they have ever paid and as such aren't going to really buy that they were denied a cut because no rate reduction is in the mix which is one of the reasons I was adamantly against this crap in the first place, felt we should eliminate them as soon as we had power to do so rather than even waiting for the sunset, and damn well felt they should have been allowed to expire.
We should have dealt with this a long while ago and I believe with the right effort being rid of those cuts would have greatly increased receptiveness toward desperately needed broader tax reform.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)The Teahadii are destroying your party, they've got a knife in your back and y'all look like fools to every one of us on the outside... and I live in DC. Imagine what it looks like to someone with some distance from the ongoing kerfuffle.
GOP RIP
liberallibral
(272 posts)The GOP is batty!! Heaven forbid we raise taxes by 5-10% on a millionaire!! How will they SURVIVE!! THE HORROR!!!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)the people the Repukes are bending over backwards to screw.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...with me ANYTIME they want to....until then, go FUCK yourself..
heaven05
(18,124 posts)millions of middle class voters will ante up for these thugs on election day. I just don't get it