Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

[oberliner]

Source: Politico

President Donald Trump has decided to end the Obama-era program that grants work permits to undocumented immigrants who arrived in the country as children, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. Senior White House aides huddled Sunday afternoon to discuss the rollout of a decision likely to ignite a political firestorm — and fulfill one of the president’s core campaign promises.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-dreamers-immigration-daca-immigrants-242301

[3catwoman3]

1. BASTARD!!!

That is all.

[adigal]

99. I fight hating this vile person cause it is bad for my soul

But I lose the battle every day.
I do cheer on Breyers, KFC and Arby's, though.

[chelsea0011]

118. He has decided that it is not Constitutional. Isn't that the reason we have courts.

Also. Are there any court challenges going on right now for DACA?

[spiderman17]

120. the AG's of several states (you can guess which ones)

are threatening to bring a lawsuit against the federal government on the basis that DACA is an excess of executive power (creating a new class of immigrants with rights that Congress did not).

Trump is caught in the position of having to defend DACA in court.

[mcar]

2. Soulless monster

[uppityperson]

3. Words fail me

[hlthe2b]

4. What a cruel, cruel, cruel man...

Just abject cruelty. I can't say more than that (or at least I SHOULD not)

[oberliner]

8. Indeed

To say nothing of the awful people who have his ear.

[Roland99]

5. Anything to undo anything Obama did. Petty Tyrant

[Volaris]

73. Yep it's this. He knows how his base will react.

They're so stupid...such blind hatred born out of Fear of a Black President.
If his Base didn't think this was a good idea, he wouldn't care about this at all.

I suppose I gotta give him credit...he knows you gotta dance with the one who brung ya..there's never been a more blatantly disgusting example in presidential history.

[forgotmylogin]

126. Now he's just looking to increment the number of "brown people"

he's deported.

How horrible this must be. I bet a lot of the DACA people haven't even *seen* their alleged country of origin.

[Afromania]

6. and he continues to run the shitball playbook

step by fucking step.

[guillaumeb]

7. Was there any reason to doubt that this would happen?

A way to fire up the conservative voters before the 2018 elections?

[liberalmuse]

9. We need to fight this!

This is barbaric.

[Initech]

10. Fuck that fucking asshole!

[fierywoman]

11. pinche pendejo, pinche tirano !!! cabron.

[yuiyoshida]

66. I agree

Bakabakashiii, Seka de ichiban daikirai ! Sukebe yaro! Kutabare kisama! Aho! Iyarashii warugaki! Y abo uso tsuki! Shinjimae.

[DesertRat]

12. Shit!

[elleng]

13. ' familiar with his thinking'

[George II]

32. I caught that one too - who are they, Bozo and Clarabelle?

[lordsummerisle]

40. LOL! n/t

[nycbos]

14. Hey all you white leftists SJWs.

Do you still think Hillary would have been just as bad.

[oberliner]

16. Hillary Clinton Statement on the 4th Anniversary of DACA

“If Donald Trump is that president, he has pledged to eliminate DACA and DAPA on day one. He has said he will create a ‘deportation force’ to round up 11 million people. He will tear apart families, separate parents and children, rip young people out of school and workers from their jobs. He has even said he will undermine that most fundamental American value–that if you are born here, no matter who your parents are or where they came from, you are an American.

“I believe America is stronger together. When we embrace immigrants, not denigrate them. When we protect families, not tear them apart. When we build bridges, not walls.

“It is why I co-sponsored legislation to protect DREAMers throughout my time in the senate as well as legislation to enact comprehensive immigration reform, and it is why I will do everything in my power as president to protect President Obama’s executive actions, go further to provide relief for families, and introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a path to full and equal citizenship within my first 100 days in office.”

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2016/06/15/hillary-clinton-statement-on-the-4th-anniversary-of-daca/

[nycbos]

22. I am well aware that Hillary Clinton was in favor of DACA.

There are people on the far left that still don't get it however and my message was aimed at them.

[oberliner]

26. Of course

Her statement was shared to underline your point.

[Gravitycollapse]

25. You realize you're spewing right-wing garbage when you use SJW as a slur, right?

[nycbos]

35. I am a life time fighter for progressive values.

I worked on my first campaign when I was 13.


I have worked on Democratic campaigns in five states.


To me a SJW is keyboard warrior. They will tweet and share Facebook memes but couldn't bring there a**es out to vote against Donald Trump.

They watch what is going on know and they don't care.

Progressive professionals absolutely can use it as a slur. I will not make any apologies for it.

[Gravitycollapse]

38. You should apologize to the SJWs on the frontlines fighting for justice.

And you should really thinking long and fucking hard about running your mouth against a group of people who are passionate about the justice movement. I don't give a shit how many campaigns you've worked on, you're wrong, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[nycbos]

42. Those folks aren't SJW in my mind.

They actually are attempting to accomplish something. And I will fight along side them.


SJW's to me are the people who share memes on Facebook and they feel good about themselves for "doing something."

[Gravitycollapse]

47. Well, I'm an SJW, I voted for Hillary Clinton and I'm out getting fucking tear gassed...

The people who spout off about SJWs are alt-right trolls. Why are you spreading alt-right discourse on a left-wing website?

[nycbos]

48. Your a progressive activist. That is good.

Maybe the folks I am referring to are the Warriors For Social Justice.

Their organizational meetings go like this.

There are people who talk about the values we care about but can't be bothered to come vote. With "friends" like that we do not need enemies.

[Gravitycollapse]

109. I am whatever I goddamn want to call myself.

You don't get to decide who I am or what I do. If you want to continue to promote alt-right talking points on a left-wing forum, you're revealing your true colors to the larger leftist and Democratic community.

[fallout87]

111. SJW

has a negative connotation. If you are happy being called one, you should look up what it means and why our opponents use it.

[Gravitycollapse]

115. SJW has a negative connotation because of our opponents.

We are doing their work for them when we use the term to disparage our own. Do you want to further the alt-right narrative?

[mdbl]

122. Just because right-wingers are using SJW negatively

doesn't give them the right to to hi-jack the term - just like they did to the word liberal. It's time to fight back! Fuck them and their fascist shit - including their meme's.

[JI7]

96. the ones who did not vote for Hillary are not SJW are in fact agree with Trump on ending DACA

it's one of the biggest reasons they wanted Trump to win.

[Matthew28]

15. Anything a democrat

or is not outright outlined in the constitution as in black and white is going to be going bye bye under republicans. The republican party now is the party that aims to take us back to the 1787.

Damn human morality, civil rights or anything else.

[dhill926]

17. asshole being an asshole...

this is horrible for the Dreamers and their families. It will ding the economy. Basically, if it fucks things up, he'll do it. Asshole...and you own him repubs....lock, stock and fucking barrel...

[drray23]

18. hopefully this leaves enough time for congress to ink it

into law and bypass Trump. It might just happen because many repubs are against ending daca. Several lobbies are also pushing hard against daca repeal because of the significant impact to the economy. Finally, the human rights dimension will also mobilize a lot of people.
.

[Hieronymus]

19. It'll have a devastating efffect on ..

our economy. Those folks pay taxes including Social Security taxes, which they'll never collect from.
Does he plan to buy airline tickets for a million+ folks?

[SCVDem]

20. It's time for Congress to get off their asses

and represent the citizens who stand in the majority.

[JohnnyLib2]

24. For damn sure

[Hoyt]

51. Yep. They can act and they should quickly, so good people don't

have to live in fear.

[MrsCoffee]

62. Congress plans to meet on Tuesday to try and save DACA.

We'll see how that goes.

[BigmanPigman]

21. I declare we end 45 and do so immediately.

[NCjack]

23. Paul Ryan: you now have 6 months to move legislatation. Do it !!!

[oberliner]

27. It's sad that we have to pin our hopes on Paul Ryan

Of all people.

[NCjack]

31. Ryan recently spoke positively about DACA. I expect McConnell to be the problem.

[oberliner]

36. Ryan said it was illegal for Obama to issue the executive order on DACA

And that he believed Trump would find a "humane solution" - this was on Friday.

[catbyte]

58. Twitler won't sign it--he'll be pissed off they did an end run around him. Would there be enough

votes for an override?

[left-of-center2012]

28. "800,000 undocumented immigrants who are benefiting from DACA"

How do you ship 800,000 people out of the country?

Well, Trump said he'd create jobs.
I envision Trump troopers knocking on doors
and hauling people away.

Maybe he'll put old Sheriff Arpaio in charge.

Is this still America?

[oberliner]

30. He talked about a "deportation force"

With the backing of Jeff Sessions.

[George II]

34. He said during the campaign that he won't split families. I guess that means....

....he'll wind up deporting more than just 800,000 - them AND their families, which could be several million.

[oberliner]

37. He made that explicit in an interview

Saying that the whole family would leave together.

[DBoon]

49. A few years ago, a right wing blog went full Godwin

Noting that the Germans had transported that many people during WWII, hence proving the feasibility of this approach to departing our immigrants:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/05/16/hey-it-worked-for-hitler-1/

[beam me up scottie]

97. I'm Facebook friends with Mike Godwin, the rule has been suspended.

He wants us to call Nazis what they are - Nazis.

Excellent blog entry though, I always enjoyed Orac.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. Biggest asshole of the 21st century!

[bluestarone]

33. Obama do it

i undo it THATS HIS GAME

[JohnnyRingo]

70. I believe so as well

His term so far has been undoing anything that Obama passed. I think it was that correspondent dinner where Obama made light of his birtherism. Pettiness over policy.

[blueinredohio]

39. Trump said I will show them for making me go to Texas

and work alongside brown people

[sinkingfeeling]

41. Well there goes a couple of $billion out of the economy. Can you image

how this hurts these young people studying in college or working on their careers? Most inhumane thing DonnieJohn could do.

[Lanius]

43. This is why Hillary needed to win. It's why I, an early Bernie supporter, voted for her

and not Jill Stein on Election Day. For all her faults, Hillary would have fought to keep the Dreamers in their home country. Now we have to rely on a broken Congress to come up with legislation over the next six months to save these young people.

And you know if Congress fails to do anything Trump will blame them and act like he isn't a mean-spirited jackass.

[SHRED]

44. He has just fucked the GOP ...royally

[Hoyt]

53. I'd like to think so, but this is what they voted for. And they got

a surprising number of Hispanic votes.

[Matthew28]

60. Yep

A majority of the republican base don't give a shit about human rights, civil rights and want an whites only America.

This is reality that we live in.

[LuckyLib]

45. One more shit pot he stirs to keep our eyes off of the Russia money laundering scandal.

[benfranklin1776]

46. Piece of dung beetle shit.

Any of them is worth more as a person and would do more for America than this twisted orange monster could ever dream of. Time to make his sorry ass pay a political price: when Congress resumes first order of business is for Democrats to introduce this as stand alone legislation and force the Rethuglicans like Ryan to put up or shut up and expose them as the trump toadies that they are if they oppose it. I would attach this to every piece of legislation the bastards try to move.

[grantcart]

50. Fucker just made the worst political miscalculation in his life

When those kids are identified in those high schools and small towns even the Republicans will be revolted.

[littlemissmartypants]

52. President Assh*le.

I hate him. The only person I know that I hate. I did hate Pat McCrory but we got him voted out, so now he's just a pathetic loser.

President Assh*le has a nice ring, imo. We & he, knows he is and he doesn't even care. Sociopathetic.

[ButSeeYa]

54. Heartbroken. I've no more words.

[SHRED]

55. Can he do this unilaterally w/o Congress?

[oberliner]

64. Obama created the program by executive order

Which some Republicans in Congress are still angry about.

[kelly1mm]

108. Yes. Live by the Executive Order, Die by the Executive Order ...... nt

[noneof_theabove]

56. ITFMA

Impeach the Mother F@#%R ALREADY !

Folks get this to all of your congress-critters.

The marketeer-in-chief is/has destroying this country.
Forget the "drain the swamp".
He has a vendetta for Obama.
Not to forget normal people also.

Congress-critters and the SCOTUS need to swamped
so nothing else happens until the remove this scourge upon the country.

[fallout87]

112. You mean

The GOP controlled congress?

[Cryptoad]

57. Im dreaming of a Blue Texas!!!!!

[Danmel]

59. More anxiety and fear imposed by this cruel and petty man

Delaying for 6 months just heightens the anxiety and uncertainty for dreamers. How can they enroll in school and pay tuition with that uncertainty hanging over their heads?
It is just so mean spirited. It just wears me down.

[yuiyoshida]

61. TRUMP HATES BROWN AND BLACK PEOPLE

Racist Asshat will try everything in his Power to Erase Obama's legacy for his petty revenge after Obama made fun of him in public. He will deport as many minorities as he can TO MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN.

[gademocrat7]

63. He is a vile malignant narcissist.

Racist to the core. Unfit to serve.

[Ccarmona]

65. The Six Month Delay Will Be Revoked

By President Hatch when he takes the oath on March 1, 2018

[JohnnyRingo]

67. Obama's name on it was what sealed the deal

I think it's personal. Trump could give a rat's ass if Hispanic immigrants stay to work here, it's about undoing anything the man who embarrassed him at the correspondent's dinner accomplished.

Don't mistake his pettiness for policy.

[frogmarch]

76. Exactly what I think too.

He is hellbent on destroying everything that has Obama's hand print on it.

[hay rick]

68. Trump ready to err on the side of cruelty and foolishness.

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

[panader0]

69. I predict this won't stand.

A six month delay will bring massive protests. He's way over his head.

[oberliner]

71. Meaning what?

That Trump changes his mind due to protests?

[panader0]

72. Where's the wall? Did he throw her in jail? He is bluster personified.

I can't believe this will stand. We'll see.

[oberliner]

74. It's a lot easier to cancel an Obama executive order

Than to do the other things you mentioned.

I mean, I hope you are right, of course, but I just don't see how this would not stand.

[panader0]

82. I've always enjoyed reading your posts.

You are intelligent and informed. more than I. I see nearly 1,000,000 people
affected by this, torn from families, shipped off to where? Will congress
approve funds? The outrage that this will produce, not just in the congress, but among the people, will stall this, and it will fizzle. I hope I'm right too. I still have a little
hope left.

[oberliner]

85. Thanks for the kind words

And allow me to reiterate how much I hope that you are correct and that something does prevent this from actually being implemented.

That being said, the actual process of revoking the executive order is something that I don't see Trump changing his mind about after he announces that he will do it.

I guess we can hope for some sort of Congressional action on immigration that results in legislation along the lines of the DREAM Act actually becoming law.

[Igel]

125. They won't be shipped off.

Not mostly. And not immediately.

It's like the 10 million other unauthorized immigrants. They're not covered by DACA but they haven't been shipped off.

In fact, if you're covered by DACA it's almost a sure thing that your parent(s) and/or guardian(s), the people that are taking care of you and connected to you in all kinds of ways, are subject to deportation, so that DACA registration's a hook into a larger pool of unauthorized immigrants.

[janx]

92. I agree. He wants Congress to deal with it.

Hence the six months.

[customerserviceguy]

75. It's a bargaining position

He wants to force Congress to send him something to tighten up existing immigration laws, and DACA goes in as something for the "other" side.

I expected nothing different from him.

[janx]

94. YEP. n/t

[MFM008]

77. Everything Obama did

EVERYTHING.
It will be his only "legacy"
And it won't last long.

[Pope George Ringo II]

78. Some of his crap surprises us. Some of it we saw coming last November

This is definitely in the latter group. I'm hoping the relevant good guys had responses in place to at least mitigate the damage.

[SCantiGOP]

79. Good

Several hundred, maybe thousands, will finally revoke their support of him over this act of inhumanity.
He's holding on to just over 1/3 of the public. Congress will override him on this, and it may hasten the day this country is saved by repealing Donald Trump.

[oberliner]

83. He will lose no support over this

Not only that but his base will be thrilled.

Congress can't "override" him on this. All he has to do is rescind Obama's executive order.

This is something that Sessions has been pushing for, incidentally.

[SCantiGOP]

106. Congress will override him

Directly or indirectly. Check back in a week.

[LeftInTX]

86. His base will love it.

[oberliner]

87. Scary, isn't it?

Trump becoming POTUS has really brought into focus how divided we are as a country - and just how many millions of Americans do not share anything close to our ideals.

[LeftInTX]

89. Yes it is. This country is full of hate.

I noticed it when Obama was president.
Trump is a symptom.

[Pope George Ringo II]

103. I'd love to argue with you two on this

I can't. You're right. This is the reason Trump voters are Trump voters in the first place.

[montana_hazeleyes]

80. Pure EVIL!

Evil and cruel. I detest him.

[Turbineguy]

84. He may be gone by then.

This is just a chance to create chaos.

Tune in next week folks and see who gets fucked next!

[yardwork]

88. I hate him so much.

[hunter]

90. We need to protect these children from the Nazis.

I mean that just like I said.

Trump, Pence, all of them, are Nazis.

This is how it starts.

[mehrrh]

91. impeachment

Maybe Trump will be gone before this can be implemented.

[oberliner]

93. Republicans control Congress

There is not going to be any impeachment.

[Mountain Mule]

95. I really, really hate him!

Was there ever a so called President more loathed? What an awful thing to do to those people.

[sharedvalues]

98. Asshole.

[adigal]

100. Deprtation forces, coming to a town near you

They will do it in the dark of night

[nancy1942]

101. Will this crap ever end. It's unbearable.

[mobeau69]

102. CYA (w/base) move. He can blame congress when this falls flat.

This is a simple issue of right and wrong that can be easily understood. These children are American in every way. They know no other country. dump is making another stupid move that will snap back and bite him in his fat ass. An AR in the twenties is imminent.

[dalton99a]

104. Pure unadulterated evil to entertain his evil cult.

[Akoto]

105. He's counting on Congress to stop this legislatively, and then he can claim victory to his base. n/t

[lunamagica]

107. My heart is breaking over it. I just can't stand so many bad news. How can these people be so evil?

How is it possible that people this evil are in charge?

[L. Coyote]

110. Trump wishes he had six more months left of his Presidency, he's dreaming if he thinks he does.

This should end the Republican Party for good with Latino voters.

[Motownman78]

113. This will happen

just like ACA repeal happened. He is just throwing red meat at his base.

[mvd]

114. That creep has no soul at all

Never have I hated a so called President like this. Totally unfit for office. I hope that Congress can actually have bipartisan legislation if he doesn't budge on this. There are a decent number of conservatives who don't mind DACA.

[leftofcool]

116. I believe Hillary told us this was coming

It shouldn't be a surprise.

[mdbl]

117. This line gets me.....

"The president is likely to couch his decision in legalese. Many on the right, even those who support protections for children brought into the country illegally through no fault of their own, argue that DACA is unconstitutional because former President Barack Obama carried it out unilaterally instead of working through Congress."

Does anyone remember the repug congress working with Obama on anything?

[oberliner]

121. Do you remember the fight in Congress over the DREAM Act in 2009-2012?

Obama worked with Congress extensively to attempt to get something passed that the Republicans would find acceptable. They fought him tooth and nail.

[Paladin]

119. And will the Democratic Party DO SOMETHING with this gift?

I'd like to think so, but I've got my doubts.

[Calista241]

123. I view this as a mixed result.

First, the DACA program itself was clearly unconstitutional. President Obama just created a program out of thin air without any congressional authorization. His heart and motivations were in the right place, something needed to be done, and our leader at the time acted. President Obama acted as great leaders do. But DACA is never going to survive a court challenge to its constitutionality.

Second; if Trump has given a 6 month termination notice, and if children can apply for 2 year permits up until the end of that 6 months, that means Congress has 2 and 1/2 years to come up with immigration reform before ICE gets turned loose.

I think enough Republicans are aware of changing demographics that reform will get done this time. It nearly got done during the Bush Administration, and maybe 10 years after the first attempt, we can actually get the reform we want this time.

[oberliner]

124. Obama didn't create it out of thin air - it was basically a version of the DREAM Act

The DREAM Act was developed and amended for years and was something that Obama and many Democrats fought for in spite of Republican obstructionism.

Congress wouldn't pass it - in spite of Obama's best efforts, so he figured out a way to get some of the elements of the DREAM Act enforced via executive action.

[samnsara]

127. and america decided to end Trump with a NO month delay.

..get out..youre fired!