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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:52 PM Sep 2017

Officer who told driver we only kill black people will be fired

Source: The HILL

The Georgia police officer who was captured on video comforting a woman he pulled over by telling her we only kill black people will be fired, according to the department's police chief.

Cobb County Police Chief Mike Register said Thursday, Theres really no place for these types of comments in law enforcement," adding that the officer in question, Lt. Greg Abbott, would be terminated, according to the New York Post.

The footage, which was originally shot last year at a traffic stop, was leaked earlier this week and received widespread backlash.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/348843-police-officer-who-told-driver-we-only-kill-black-people-will-be-fired



Link to video of incident


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UPDATE


CNN: Officer FIRED


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/05/health/nurse-arrested-police-protocol/index.html






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Officer who told driver we only kill black people will be fired (Original Post) laserhaas Sep 2017 OP
only fired because heaven05 Sep 2017 #1
It's like the first rule of Fight Club Cirque du So-What Sep 2017 #2
His "sin" seems to have been trying to joke a woman into relaxing, stepping down the situation. Hortensis Sep 2017 #19
Exactly. He was trying to de-escalate. Flaleftist Sep 2017 #25
How is joking about killing anyone funny in any way? aquamarina Sep 2017 #29
I didn't say it is funny. He thought he could reach her with it. Flaleftist Sep 2017 #34
Yeah, still no. aquamarina Sep 2017 #39
By saying they only kill black people? aquamarina Sep 2017 #28
Most Likely pdxflyboy Sep 2017 #3
Beat me to it jpak Sep 2017 #4
Really? PJMcK Sep 2017 #27
Yes JonLP24 Sep 2017 #33
He'll probably just retire. He had 30 years on the force. Calista241 Sep 2017 #41
30 Fucking years of putting up with assholes and saving lifes............ Old Vet Sep 2017 #42
one caught, how many thousands in the brotherhood agree with him nt msongs Sep 2017 #5
+ad infinitum heaven05 Sep 2017 #8
While this is a good thing wryter2000 Sep 2017 #6
We're in a world where laserhaas Sep 2017 #12
Right, or how his words were supposed to be "comforting"... forgotmylogin Sep 2017 #13
It wasn't racist Rural_Progressive Sep 2017 #14
How do you know this to be true, are you a mind reader? aquamarina Sep 2017 #30
bout time. now fire the creaton who assaulted the nurse! samnsara Sep 2017 #7
++ad infinitum heaven05 Sep 2017 #9
Quite frankly, I'm surprised. Paladin Sep 2017 #10
Actually they approved his retirement request greatbaldeagle Sep 2017 #11
Buttholes like this, get a free ride laserhaas Sep 2017 #15
because he was caught he gets his fabulous early retirement benefits. how many police aren't caught. Sunlei Sep 2017 #16
Pathetic the status quo is the Blue Wall of Silence laserhaas Sep 2017 #17
it is pathetic OUR local police are no longer dependable to do the right thing, the moral thing- Sunlei Sep 2017 #18
The man had 30 Fucking years of dealing with nitwits and saving lifes..Early, Think not bud Old Vet Sep 2017 #43
Fired for saying it, not for doing it. (n/t) Kennah Sep 2017 #20
Had he not been eligible to retire, one wonders if he would still have been fired. (n/t) Kennah Sep 2017 #21
Update...the Officer has been fired laserhaas Sep 2017 #22
That's a different cop. We are talking about the Georgia cop greatbaldeagle Sep 2017 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author 24601 Sep 2017 #40
Let me get this straight: "comments were clearly aimed at attempting to gain compliance..." onetexan Sep 2017 #23
The outrage against this cop is silly. Flaleftist Sep 2017 #26
I'm sorry but saying they only kill people of a race other aquamarina Sep 2017 #31
the fact you're not outraged is crazy onetexan Sep 2017 #32
Maybe he should have just used his taser. Flaleftist Sep 2017 #35
Those are the only 2 options? JonLP24 Sep 2017 #36
Not at all. Flaleftist Sep 2017 #37
Cops often delete their own records after a certain period of time JonLP24 Sep 2017 #38
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
1. only fired because
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:54 PM
Sep 2017

he got caught saying those words, now if he had shot and killed a black man, woman or child he's still be on his way to his pension. Period.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. His "sin" seems to have been trying to joke a woman into relaxing, stepping down the situation.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:04 PM
Sep 2017

This may be very unfortunate. We may have lost a good cop. At least this one was willing to admit our nation has a problem.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
25. Exactly. He was trying to de-escalate.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:00 PM
Sep 2017

That's the opposite of what a lot of cops would have done. Some people here are pretty quick to group him with the cops that really do abuse their power.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
34. I didn't say it is funny. He thought he could reach her with it.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:29 PM
Sep 2017

It was a comment meant for her to try to get her to calm down. That was his intent. Police need better training at de-escalating situations but it looks like that is all he was trying to do. If he had better training he might have used a different technique. But he didn't immediately go for his taser when she wouldn't comply, which is what a worse cop would have done. It wasn't a Facebook or Twitter post, which is what people appear to be treating it like. I guess just see the situation a little differently than others.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
39. Yeah, still no.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:44 PM
Sep 2017

How would suggesting he only kills people of another color calm a person down? What if this person was married to an African American person? What if this person had a mixed race child that looked like an African American person? How is this appropriate in ANY situation?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
33. Yes
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:20 PM
Sep 2017

John Oliver did a story on the police and many cops with records of this sort of conduct simply moved on to other police departments. Police are also encouraged to delete their records as well.


Calista241

(5,586 posts)
41. He'll probably just retire. He had 30 years on the force.
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:33 AM
Sep 2017

He'll sit back and collect his nice, big, fat pension.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
42. 30 Fucking years of putting up with assholes and saving lifes............
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:27 AM
Sep 2017

He utters one stupid sentence, OK. Take your pension friend, you made it through 30 years of thankless helping your fellow man. Grab a beer on me, have a cigar.....Fuck-it IMO

wryter2000

(46,037 posts)
6. While this is a good thing
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:13 PM
Sep 2017

I don't understand how making racist comments is a firing offense and killing innocent people isn't.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
13. Right, or how his words were supposed to be "comforting"...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:27 PM
Sep 2017

"Don't worry, Ma'am, I'm a racist, I only kill people discriminately..."

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
14. It wasn't racist
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:40 PM
Sep 2017

He allowed his frustration to get control of his mouth. He was dealing with a woman who was petrified that if she made one wrong move he might shoot her. An understandable reaction on her part. He just wanted her to do what he needed her to do so he could finish the traffic stop and get on with his business. In frustration he sarcastically said something incredibly stupid.

Like you said wryter2000, we've got cops out there shooting people, most of whom it appears are people of color, they get exonerated and left on the force. This guy says something boneheaded and stupid and gets fired.

You tell me how this makes sense.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
9. ++ad infinitum
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:23 PM
Sep 2017

in fact go back to all who unfairly and racistly killed, while unarmed, not fleeing men, women and CHILDREN or fleeing and while standing up against fascist storm trooper tactics, and fire them...I know, never happen. This waster of oxygen will have a job 2morrow....

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
10. Quite frankly, I'm surprised.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

Now let's see if that Salt Lake City goon cop who assaulted and arrested that hospital nurse gets the same treatment.

greatbaldeagle

(157 posts)
11. Actually they approved his retirement request
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:36 PM
Sep 2017

I am a nubian man and I live in the area unfortunately.

“He is entitled to his full retirement benefits and would have been even if terminated,” Heaton wrote in an email.

Link:http://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--politics/cobb-approves-retirement-for-cop-who-said-only-kill-black-people/aKicL9dLUbqS60gDPzEduO/

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. it is pathetic OUR local police are no longer dependable to do the right thing, the moral thing-
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:37 PM
Sep 2017

the majorityof their work- time.

greatbaldeagle

(157 posts)
24. That's a different cop. We are talking about the Georgia cop
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:33 PM
Sep 2017

You posted a link to the Utah cop involved in the nurse situation. And keep in mind the Utah cop was only fired from his part-time paramedic job. He's still employed as a detective with the Salt Lake City police department and will still be employed after they complete their "investigation".

Response to laserhaas (Reply #22)

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
23. Let me get this straight: "comments were clearly aimed at attempting to gain compliance..."
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:34 PM
Sep 2017

"...by using the passenger's own statements and reasoning to avoid making an arrest"

Trying to gain compliance and avoid making an arrest by saying we only kill black people. Seriously?

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
26. The outrage against this cop is silly.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:09 PM
Sep 2017

He was trying to calm her down. It is a touchy subject to joke about, but he wasn't being abusive toward her and I haven't seen any reports of a history of misconduct from this officer.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
31. I'm sorry but saying they only kill people of a race other
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:35 PM
Sep 2017

than your race is no way to calm anyone down. When you are carrying a gun and in a position of power it is never funny to joke about killing anyone.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
32. the fact you're not outraged is crazy
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:36 PM
Sep 2017

have you watched this video? The guy should not be in law enforcement with those racist remarks. I'm glad he's fired.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
35. Maybe he should have just used his taser.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:45 PM
Sep 2017

Then it wouldn't be a big story and he would still be on patrol.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
37. Not at all.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:15 PM
Sep 2017

He could use force or he could try to de-escalate. The latter is the better option. He chose that option. He could have done a better job, used different words. But without other evidence of him being an abusive cop, I see poor judgement and not necessarily one of the bad apples that beats, shoots, and frames people. Some kind of disciplinary action may be appropriate, but termination for this incident alone, IMO, is a little severe. I see I'm in the minority opinion here and I don't particularly care for defending cops. I'm usually on the other side in these threads. Maybe I need to think about this one some more. I'll just say cops need much better training.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. Cops often delete their own records after a certain period of time
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:23 PM
Sep 2017

They were encouraged to do so in an internal video by the Mesa police chief I posted in a John Oliver video up-thread which isn't to say he had something on his record then deleted it. I'm just saying a lack of records could be explained that way. Considering she was frightened force would have been completely unnecessary so I don't see force as an option at all.

If it was me a cop saying that would have frightened me even more but I think he was probably actually telling the truth rather than joking because he was referencing the videos saying that they're all black.

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