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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. He could still support DACA and push his and Durbin's bill. Why hasn't there been any action....
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:07 PM
Sep 2017

....on that yet?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. It's the same bill that couldn't pass from 2009-2011
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:10 PM
Sep 2017

Obama pushed for The DREAM Act for years, to no avail.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
3. He can't stop HWMNBN (He Who Must Not Be Named) from
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:01 PM
Sep 2017

canceling the DACA program. It sounds like he and other Rs are willing to jump on this and pass legislation to protect the 800,000+ young people.

The only "screw you" I have to offer is that they didn't do it sooner.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
6. You're right
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:11 PM
Sep 2017

He has no power over what the Orange Abomination does regarding DACA. I only hope if he's working with Durbin they'll come up with something good. Getting it through the House would be an uphill climb.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. It won't pass Congress
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:11 PM
Sep 2017

That's the problem. And that's why Obama issued the executive order in the first place.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Exactly. Graham is assuming that his bill will pass and a similar one will pass the House.....
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:04 PM
Sep 2017

....all within six months. Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, the 800,000+ Dreamers will have to sweat out the next few months.

LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
8. I don't care for this man much
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:16 PM
Sep 2017

but I support his decision to end DACA and get Dreamers something that Congress can agree on.
I welcome the 6 month delay. It's the only way we can support this.

I hate #45 but this so far, is his best decision yet. We have to work on a congressional version of this problem.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Good statement. But Obama only enacted DACA because the Repub congress refused to
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:35 PM
Sep 2017

help anyone, even these young people. Given that little reality, that "try" is not as reassuring as basic decency requires.

LeftInTX

(25,283 posts)
10. I think Lindsey supported immigration reform
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:58 PM
Sep 2017

It doesn't surprise me that he wants congress to pass DACA

Rubio will be onboard...maybe Cornyn...probably McCain, Flake etc etc.

As for the House, who knows if Ryan will bring it up or has enough votes.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
14. I think you are correct on the list of the more supportive, but looking through past votes,
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:54 PM
Sep 2017

there are many who are very inconsistent. Out of laziness, I will just link to what I wrote on a similar thread after looking up some of the votes. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1859552

From there:
I would hope that as Murphy says, all Democrats would help -- and it would be great if they said so as soon as ANY Republican said anything - no matter how vague - of writing legislation. This is something where no political games (on our side) should be played. It does not matter who gains this "win". Peoples lives are in the balance. It was the right thing to do when Obama did it - and it will be the right thing if it is written into legislation.

The question is whether enough key Republicans will agree to legislation. Additionally, looking at the history,would it be be easier to pass something JUST on the Dream Act? That would have been more likely if the Senate and House were in our control. I suspect that many Democrats may look back to 2010 and regret that they did not put more pressure behind passing this.

I suspect that the Republicans will write the legislation including things that Democrats hate -- like funding for the wall. Look at past comprehensive immigration bills, all included big dollars for "border security" and legislation to define how each type of illegal immigrant should be treated who is here now and what the rules are going forward. The Senate and Congressional record has members of both parties giving thoughtful speeches (and some less than thoughtful) on changes needed beyond the huge important first step of defining what should be done with the then estimated to be 12 million undocumented people. What is clear is that EACH piece of comprehensive immigration is complex and controversial.

In 2010, there were two efforts to pass legislation that included just the DREAM ACT. At that point, we had 59 Senators. In September, both Don't ask, don't tell and the DREAM ACT were included in a must pass National Defense Act. However, they reached an impasse where they could only get a 56-43 vote and could not defeat the filibuster attempt. The bill passed when the DREAM Act was removed.

Then, in the lame duck session (obviously with the same Senate), the House passed the Dream Act, but in the Senate - although Senators Lugar, Murkowsky and Bennett voted for it, it failed as Baucus, Hagen, Nelson(NE), Pryor and Tester voted against it and Manchin did not vote (which in a filibuster vote is equivilent to a no.) The measure needed 60 votes and it got 55. Had we held ALL the Democrats or gotten McCain, Graham and others who previously had been for comprehensive legistaion, thiswould have become law. Sadly, 2010 was our best shot. Although Reid wanted to pass something in 2011 and Schumer led a strong effort, with a more Republican Senate it was even less likely and never even came to a vote. That was the background for Obama's action in 2012. After Obama's action, the Senate did include the dream act in a 2013 bill that passed, but the Republican House did not pass a parallel bill.

Earlier in the last GWB term, there was a multi year bipartisan effort to pass a comprehensive immigration bill , involving people from Kennedy to McCain, - which failed - that was supported by President Bush. The history of that is that Kennedy and McCain introduced a bill on May 12, 2005. It contained legalization for some and defined the process for all, border security and a guest worker program. It was debated throughout the 109th Congress (2005/2006), but was never voted on. Variations of it were introduced in 2006 and 2007 (when Democrats had 51 Senators and control of the House.) In 2006, both Houses passed bills (with the Senate overcoming a filibuster) but they were different enough that they failed to agree on a joint bill in conference. In 2007, a similar bill failed badly - never coming close to 60 votes.(Here is the last vote on June 28, 2007 - where there were only 46 yeses. Many progessive Democrats - Brown (OH), Harkin, and Stabenow (MI) voted against it. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00235

The question I have is whether a narrow bill - just on the Dream Act - is more likely to pass. In fact, Durbin and Lindsey Graham did introduce a bill in July 2017 to make the Dream Act law. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/durbin-graham-file-dream-act-hoping-to-ward-off-legal-challenge-to-daca/2017/07/20/19ade326-6cd4-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.2e1e813622f4 It was called a long shot.

The question is whether now - after 5 years of the Dream ACT being law thanks to President Obama, whether the country has moved enough to get 60 Senators in a significantly less Democratic Senate. (We have 48 Senators now vs 59 in 2010). Here, the optimism me thinks that as on gay marriage, the country might have had a huge shift on this --- the pessismitic me then questions how this could be true in a country that voted for Trump.

Looking at the four year effort, led by Kennedy, McCain and others of both parties, it is clear that even with a supportive President, who would have wanted getting comprehensive immigration passed as part of his legacy,it is incredibly difficult to write legislation that passes both Houses.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
12. Why couldn't he support keeping DACA and having congress work on a solution?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:16 PM
Sep 2017

Does he really think that Trump holding these children and young adults as hostages will result in Congress doing anything?
Seriously, Graham?

This to me is a form of state sponsored terrorism. There will now be a million or so kids facing deportation to a country they don't know to satisfy Donnie Trump's fantasy of holding them as bargaining chips in his hostage fantasy.

WTF the matter with you Graham? Can't stand up to the little coward?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
13. He's trying to play it both ways, but it is true that he and Durbin introduced legislation in July
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:51 PM
Sep 2017

In addition, for the most part he was someone who worked with Kennedy and others on a comprehensive bill in the Bush years.

As to the Dreamers, he and McCain did not vote for the Dream Act in 2010, when it had its best chance of passing. However, there were 5 Democrats who voted no and one who did not vote. Republicans Lugar, Murkowsky, and Bennett voted for it. We had 59 Democrats then -- had all the Democrats voted to get past the filibuster, it would have been law.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
16. Prediction: DACA legislation will have strings attached
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:53 PM
Sep 2017

The Republicans MAY decide to save the Dreamers, but I predict that a ten billion dollar transfer of safety net funding to border wall construction will be hung on the bill....

This is how "Mexico will pay for it indirectly".

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. That's part of what I'm worried about....
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:06 PM
Sep 2017

Most importantly, will the legislation be passed before the six month period expires? Second, what will be the conditions imposed on the Dreamers in the legislation.

I've seen various estimates of anywhere from 65-80% of Americans wanting to keep DACA, so obviously it isn't a objectionable program to most Americans.

You know, I'll bet seething in trump's psyche is the fact that after his grandfather succeeded financially in North America, he left and went back to Bavaria. The Bavarian government determined that he left originally without serving his mandatory term in the military. So they deported him back to the US. I'll bet trump is stinging with that realization, an he's doing anything he can to "get even", deport others.

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