SLCPD detective who arrested nurse had been disciplined for alleged sexual harassment and other viol

[JonLP24]

Last edited Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Salt Lake Tribune

The controversial arrest of a University Hospital nurse wasn’t the first time Salt Lake City police Detective Jeff Payne had faced an internal investigation for violating department policies, newly released records show.

About four years ago, Payne received a written reprimand for allegedly sexually harassing another department employee “over an extended period of time,” internal police records state.

And in 1995, Payne was found to have violated multiple department policies related to a vehicle pursuit that involved the Utah Highway Patrol. He was suspended 80 hours without pay.

Payne and another officer, Lt. James Tracy, have been the focus of several investigations in recent weeks after Payne aggressively arrested University Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels on July 26, acting on the directions of Tracy. Wubbels, citing hospital policy, refused to allow Payne to obtain a blood sample from an unconscious patient injured in a fiery crash in Cache County.

Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/16/slcpd-detective-who-arrested-nurse-had-been-disciplined-for-alleged-sexual-harassment-and-other-violations-records-show/

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Damn title doesn't fit

[TexasProgresive]

1. Why is he still a cop? If they'd done rightly Ms. Wubbels would not be traumatized by this monster.

[Major Nikon]

6. I suspect if they fired every police officer for sexual harassment there wouldn't be many left

Many become cops because they like to intimidate and harass people. The only way they are really going to change the culture of asshole cops is if they stop hiring and tolerating assholes.

[Ligyron]

13. Precisely.

We always hear what heroes they are and how they risk their life every day to keep us safe. Most of the people I know who became police were jerks in high school on a power trip.

They sure seem to kill a lot of people every year, many of them black for some reason.

[FarPoint]

12. Maybe....

I'm just thinking out loud now....Police Union may of kept him on the force....I love Unions...but... sometime a learning gift does not teach the one granted the gift lesson.

[Major Nikon]

14. Unions do sometimes save the jobs of those who probably shouldn't be employed

However, the job of the union is to make sure all members of the bargaining unit are treated fairly, not to do management's job of tending the weeds. What happens when you have an employee who should be fired, but isn't, it's not the fault of the union but rather a management structure that is too lazy or incompetent to follow their own policies and procedures. Unions don't get to pick and choose who they represent. Failure to represent is cause for a lawsuit against the union if someone gets fired.

[FarPoint]

15. True enough...

Goes to show that it's complicated....

[Major Nikon]

20. I was a union steward for quite a few years

Many times I represented someone who should have been out the door long before. Inevitably the story is the same. Management proposes firing someone who quite often was a shitbag with a long history of bad behavior. So the first thing you do is ask for the documentation for past disciplinary actions and it's like ummm, we don't have any. That's when you point out that perhaps the reason they are a shitbag is because management effectively encouraged their bad behavior by never doing anything about it. Then you point out the examples of managers who are guilty of the same behavior who never got disciplined and may have even been promoted. It's about that time you politely inform them they can fire the employee if they want, but the union is just going to win in arbitration and they are going to have to rehire them with back pay so it's probably a good time to discuss some other lesser punishment. After you save their jobs the shit stirring union haters in your shop blame the union.

[dalton99a]

2. And to this day nothing has happened to him - except the paid vacation

[Major Nikon]

16. Probably the worst vacation he's ever had

He gets to sit at home completely powerless while a process is going on that will decide his future. Given his past history of bad behavior, it seems likely he will soon be guarding outhouses at a construction site somewhere for something close to minimum wage.

[defacto7]

21. Or hired by a private military firm that contracts overseas

for 10x the pay... or probably ICE. They look for guys like this.

[Major Nikon]

22. If he gets fired he will have a hard time finding employment as a LEO

If they go the extra step and get his cop ticket revoked, it will be nearly impossible. His best move right now is to resign and lay low for a while. If he has a lawyer or union council that's worth a shit they are probably telling him exactly that.

[JonLP24]

24. Cops have often moved on to other police departments after getting fired

Oliver mentions this in the video.

&t=16s

Though I'm not sure what you mean by "cop ticket".

[Hekate]

23. The drawback to being a mercenary is that other people are shooting back at you

Just sayin'

[SunSeeker]

3. This criminal should have been booted from the force long ago.

[monmouth4]

4. Somewhere he has a relative with a bit of power, I would bet..n/t

[Tribalceltic]

5. Every single "cop" in that department is complicit

The entire department needs to be suspended without pay and investigated thoroughly by an independent agency. It is about time someone with real authority started investigating and punishing these rogue departments!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Here's the link to the newspaper that actually did the reporting.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/16/slcpd-detective-who-arrested-nurse-had-been-disciplined-for-alleged-sexual-harassment-and-other-violations-records-show/

Don't settle for spun, recycled crap.

[JonLP24]

9. The link was the only one I came across

I didn't come across any other links. I'm not going to go through the trouble of changing the entire OP to use that link.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. Most RawStory articles include the link they're cribbing from, as does the one in the OP.

[JonLP24]

11. Fine

I'll change it.

[Bengus81]

8. By all means don't fire him,keep investigating for the next ten years..........

Jesus WHAT do they need to FIRE this creep??

[Impeach Trump]

17. My god, this guy should be in another line of business.

But I doubt he could bring in six figures with his skill sets anywhere else.

[yardwork]

18. His behavior suggested that he has issues with women.

In addition to sexual harrassment, I suspect that he also has domestic violence and possibly sexual assault in his past. He doesn't like women who question his power and privilege. When he had to interact with a woman who told him no, he reacted with violence. Very telling.

[True_Blue]

28. My thoughts exactly!

[Gore1FL]

19. If they fire him he can probably get a job on the St. Louis City police force. nt

[Volaris]

26. Lol..and that's only funny (sort of) because I live here.

[Gore1FL]

27. I live in St. Louis too. (I don't live in the city anymore, but north county at this time.)

Yesterday's Stockley verdict was painful.

[Volaris]

29. Yeah it fucking was.

You're a bit closer to the 'action' than I am--I'm in st Charles Co.

[not fooled]

25. Payne is probably kicking himself

over having his body cam on. He's regretting that it didn't "malfunction" at the time.

I haven't looked into this point but I'll bet the SLC Police Dept. at least has strict rules requiring cops to have functioning body cams on at all times or face strict disciplinary consequences. This horrible incident shows why that's necessary.

Oh, and I hope Nurse Wubbels receives just compensation for the trauma she went through. Of course, unfortunately it's ultimately the citizens of SLC who will pick up the tab.

This whole situation shows what's wrong with the current status of policing in the U.S. Requiring cops to be better selected and trained--and not having a jerkwad culture at the top that encourages militarization (sessions the evil turd)--would help.

[yardwork]

30. It wasn't Payne whose body cam video was released.

The video I saw, which the nurse released to the public, came from another officer's body cam. Payne was talking to him.

[mpcamb]

31. ...But have they thrown his worthless ass off the police force yet??

That's the real test.