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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 08:34 AM Sep 2017

Not drinking or driving, teens increasingly put off traditional markers of adulthood

Source: The Washington Post



By Tara Bahrampour September 19 at 12:01 AM

When 17-year-old Quattro Musser hangs out with friends, they don’t drink beer or cruise around in cars with their dates. Rather, they stick to G-rated activities such as rock-climbing or talking about books.

They are in good company, according to a new study showing that teenagers are increasingly delaying activities that had long been seen as rites of passage into adulthood. The study, published Tuesday in the journal Child Development, found that the percentage of adolescents in the U.S. who have a driver’s license, who have tried alcohol, who date, and who work for pay has plummeted since 1976, with the most precipitous decreases in the past decade. The declines appeared across race, geographic, and socioeconomic lines, and in rural, urban, and suburban areas.

To be sure, more than half of teens still engage in these activities, but the majorities have slimmed considerably. Between 1976 and 1979, 86 percent of high school seniors had gone on a date; between 2010 and 2015 only 63 percent had, the study found. During the same period, the portion who had ever earned money from working plunged from 76 to 55 percent. And the portion who had tried alcohol plummeted from 93 percent between 1976 and 1979 to 67 percent between 2010 and 2016.

Teens have also reported a steady decline in sexual activity in recent decades, as the portion of high school students who have had sex fell from 54 percent in 1991 to 41 percent in 2015, according to Centers for Disease Control statistics.







Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/neither-drinking-nor-driving-more-teens-are-putting-off-traditional-markers-of-adulthood/2017/09/18/b46027a0-93f1-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html

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Not drinking or driving, teens increasingly put off traditional markers of adulthood (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
Adulthood is way over-rated anyway. n/t Brainstormy Sep 2017 #1
My experience is only anecdotal, but I have definitely seen this among my kids and their peers. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #2
I too have seen it... CatMor Sep 2017 #3
"Aaah! Millennials are killing rites of passage!" in 3... 2... 1... ck4829 Sep 2017 #4
Millennials are lazy in...now LOL " and who work for pay" snooper2 Sep 2017 #7
Internet, cell phones, and other forms of entertainment Renew Deal Sep 2017 #5
My 14 year old sarisataka Sep 2017 #6
my seventeen year old still doesn't have her license Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #8
Oddly enough... jberryhill Sep 2017 #10
If she could handle living on her own I'd have no problem with that Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #11
Who would want to grow up not fooled Sep 2017 #9
My 13 yr old daughter has unfortunately Codeine Sep 2017 #12
Cue the right wing kooks.... Dawson Leery Sep 2017 #13
I've got a 11 year old great grandaughter MosheFeingold Sep 2017 #14
I'm not conviced the not working thing is so good. B2G Sep 2017 #15
My mother made me a deal when I was 16 TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #19
Yep. I started working at age 14, as soon as I could get my permit. B2G Sep 2017 #20
I don't think not working is a good thing RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #16
You must have had decent bosses. AwakeAtLast Sep 2017 #34
Teens spend their time online. They don't need a car or a job, just a fast internet connection. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #17
What jobs are there for them? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #18
There are plenty of jobs for them. B2G Sep 2017 #21
My older, schmuck son didn't get a license until this year - at 19. SpankMe Sep 2017 #22
The not working part is the worst taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #23
As an old fart, I can't believe they aren't dying to get their driver's license. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #24
Being raised in a suburb, how can one not drive??? Dawson Leery Sep 2017 #31
Spectacular. a la izquierda Sep 2017 #25
Don't believe the hype Orrex Sep 2017 #26
I've been teaching university for 10 years. a la izquierda Sep 2017 #27
I am somewhat surprised exboyfil Sep 2017 #29
Perhaps that's engineering and nursing. a la izquierda Sep 2017 #30
In fairness... Orrex Sep 2017 #33
Well, maybe it's time then Orrex Sep 2017 #32
I'm only 40, it's not like I've been doing this forever. a la izquierda Sep 2017 #35
If the technology had been available, Boomers & Gen-Xers would have done the same Orrex Sep 2017 #37
My older daughter got her driver's license exboyfil Sep 2017 #28
Some of y'all MFers can't be pleased NCDem777 Sep 2017 #36
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. Millennials are lazy in...now LOL " and who work for pay"
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:09 AM
Sep 2017

It's no wonder that we can't find people in their 20's or even early 30's who are qualified to work (in telecom in particular)

Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
5. Internet, cell phones, and other forms of entertainment
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 09:18 AM
Sep 2017

Similar reason why crime has gone down. People have other things to do.

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
6. My 14 year old
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 09:44 AM
Sep 2017

Has been waiting to drive since she was 2. I don't think she will put off taking driving lessons.

She went on two dates with one boy then summed it up by saying "he's dumb." She asked another girl to go to the homecoming dance; but I believe it is just for the company. We'll see how that turns out.

We let her have a sip of alcohol when she was 12 and immediately swore it off for life.

We can't get her to work around the house for pay let alone a job

Her recent personal passage to adulthood was I took her to the range for her birthday. She has asked for a long time to be allowed to go to shoot one of my pistols. My wife and I agreed she had achieved the maturity to handle a pistol on a range and, following an hour-long safety course, she was allowed to shoot with me. Although she enjoyed it I don't think she is going to be a future Annie Oakley.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
8. my seventeen year old still doesn't have her license
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:29 AM
Sep 2017

a lot of it is anxiety driven as she's in therapy for a few things related to that.

But making that first step to get the permit is still something that sends her into a spiral.

But she wants to go to college. Yet cannot handle interacting with people and getting a permit or a license. I can't imagine she'll be able to function in a dorm room.

You do the caring and compassionate thing as the parent and try to help them work through it, hence therapy and meds to help balance her issues, but at the same time you feel like you're coddling. But if you push they break because of the anxiety.

Now I'm stuck trying to explain to her why college isnt' happening because I'm certainly not going to drive her to college every day.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Oddly enough...
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:58 AM
Sep 2017

One of ours didn't get a driving license until age 24, and still hardly drives. Moved away to college and work, lives in a small city where driving isn't necessary.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
11. If she could handle living on her own I'd have no problem with that
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 11:35 AM
Sep 2017

but we've got so many areas where she can't "adult" as we put it with her therapist that I can just imagine her having a real breakdown if she was on her own.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
9. Who would want to grow up
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:48 AM
Sep 2017

into the neoliberal serfdom the pukes have been pushing the U.S. into, ever since that evil old bastard raygun started dismantling the New Deal in earnest?

They know it will be a struggle to even do as well as their parents. If they do go to college, they likely will face a mortgage-sized mountain of debt. Their employment prospects afterwards will be dubious, at least for a good job. And after dump and his corporate coup, the American Dream will be well and truly dead.

(I'm not saying they don't need to mature and participate in what's here, no matter what. But, if I was college age, I would be looking into attending a Canadian university and finding a way to stay there, if that's possible.)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. My 13 yr old daughter has unfortunately
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 11:54 AM
Sep 2017

already been caught drinking and smoking weed with an older friend we thought we could trust. And I'm entirely certain she'll want to drive as soon as we let her.

A job? Good luck with that. Washing a sinkful of dishes is agony for her, and becomes a process so long and drawn out it's just easier to do it myself.

On the plus side, she's smart and is becoming a talented young actress at her new performing arts school, so not all is bad.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
13. Cue the right wing kooks....
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 11:58 AM
Sep 2017

"Millennials are killing traditions", "they're lazy", "worst generation ever"......

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
14. I've got a 11 year old great grandaughter
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 11:59 AM
Sep 2017

Who still believes in Santa Claus.

She's Jewish, BTW.

Apparently, her parents didn't tell her because they didn't want her to blab to her gentile friends and get the "Jewish kid" blamed for it.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,137 posts)
19. My mother made me a deal when I was 16
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:39 PM
Sep 2017

I got my first job at a Dairy Queen when I was 16 during the summer break between my sophomore and junior year in high school. I was paid $1.25 an hour. My mother wanted to encourage me to save my money rather than blow it, so she said if I wanted to save for anything big, she would match my savings dollar for dollar. So I saved my $30 paychecks in a passbook savings account all summer so I could go on one of those student trips to Europe. And I did!

I don't like teens working lots of hours to make car payments and such. I think school should still be their first priority. But summer jobs and small part time jobs during the school year are great. They learn the importance of doing an honest hour's work for an honest hour's pay and to show up on time.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
20. Yep. I started working at age 14, as soon as I could get my permit.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:49 PM
Sep 2017

Before that, I started babysitting at age 11. I was positively itching to make my own money because it meant independence.

I worked full time in the summer and weeknights and weekends at A&W the entire 4 years I was in high school. Graduated 22nd in my class and was class president Soph-Senior years.

Kids need it.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
16. I don't think not working is a good thing
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:54 PM
Sep 2017

Working, depending on the job, can introduce young people to a whole new set of friends and acquaintances, many of whom are not the same age and from different socio-economic backgrounds. The kids described in the article sound as if they are insulated hanging with only similar classmates and enjoying their parents paying for everything.

SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
17. Teens spend their time online. They don't need a car or a job, just a fast internet connection.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:24 PM
Sep 2017

And they don't seem to be interested in dating or sex all that much.

I totally cannot relate. My teen years were spent in old 60s muscle cars, canoodling with various crushes, great rock and roll blasting on the radio. I wouldn't trade that for all the video games in the world.

But as a parent, I am relieved that my child is not doing what I did when I was his age.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. What jobs are there for them?
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:28 PM
Sep 2017

The jobs I did starting at 13; paper route, mowing lawn and bagging at the grocery are now done by adults desperate to make enough to eat.

SpankMe

(2,956 posts)
22. My older, schmuck son didn't get a license until this year - at 19.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:21 PM
Sep 2017

Even now, he drives grudgingly. Has no interest in it. He'd rather walk everywhere or get rides from friends. And, he's in college in a town without significant public transportation.

As of now - at 19 - he still hasn't dated yet. Luckily, he's disinterested in drugs and alcohol.

My 15 year old son - well, he's chomping at the bit to drive. But I'm not even sure he's aware that girls exist. I can't see him dating during high school.

Thankfully, he's showing no movements toward booze, drugs or smoking.

I wish they'd both start dating. They're both a little socially awkward.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
23. The not working part is the worst
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:46 PM
Sep 2017

Work is a good way to toughen them up a bit and realize life ain't all fun and games.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
24. As an old fart, I can't believe they aren't dying to get their driver's license.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:02 PM
Sep 2017

The freedom, the wind in your face, etc., etc.

Driving is simple problem solving, and I think it's important that everyone know how to drive. I have one relative who never learned and it's always been a burden on the rest of the family to get her where she needs to be. She lives in a rural area with no means of public transportation.

And cue the screamers - but I see plenty of millennials behind the wheel in my area, and they drive too damn slow!!!

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
26. Don't believe the hype
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:38 PM
Sep 2017

Millennials are the punching bag of the month, easily blamed for the ills of society even as your generation and mine dump our collective bullshit onto their shoulders.

The Millennials I know are, as a group, as dedicated and driven as any other group I know. Sure, there are slackers failing to reach their potentials, but there are slackers in every age (see footnote about orrex, slacker for further analysis).


If the media can blame Millennials, they will. If they can't blame Millennials, they'll gin up some way to do it anyway.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
27. I've been teaching university for 10 years.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:40 PM
Sep 2017

If I acted the way students do today, I wouldn't have earned 1 degree, let alone 3.
This is why I am dying to leave the academy.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
29. I am somewhat surprised
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:43 PM
Sep 2017

my daughter found her fellow engineering students to be very serious about their studies. Same for my nursing student daughter. The nurse lost 3-4 fellow students along the way through her intensive four semester (summer, fall, spring, and summer) program (out of about 25 in her cohort).

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
30. Perhaps that's engineering and nursing.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 07:14 PM
Sep 2017

I teach history. And every student who has to take a history class.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
33. In fairness...
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 08:39 PM
Sep 2017

You'll meet no more lackadaisical slacker than Orrex in his History 101 class.

But that was a long, long time ago...

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
32. Well, maybe it's time then
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 08:38 PM
Sep 2017

Wouldn't presume to contradict your experience in the classroom, but the Millennials I know in the workplace pull their weight as well as any Boomer or Gen-Xer.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
35. I'm only 40, it's not like I've been doing this forever.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 11:59 PM
Sep 2017

But yeah. I don't like teaching anyhow. Never have, it was a means to an end to do research, which I can do from an institute in Europe. Higher education is actually respected there.

Though, when you have an honors kid looking at his half-naked girlfriend on his laptop while you're lecturing or when students are so engrossed with whatever is on their phone that they start laughing during lectures on the Guatemalan genocide, you'd probably get a bit tired of their shit too.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
37. If the technology had been available, Boomers & Gen-Xers would have done the same
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 06:46 AM
Sep 2017

The popular trend is to imagine that these troublesome Millennials are some new breed of awful, unlike anything our dear society has ever before had to endure. I know that you're not saying this, but it seems to be the general sentiment.

They're products of their time and their environment, of course, just as you and I are.

Though, when you have an honors kid looking at his half-naked girlfriend on his laptop while you're lecturing or when students are so engrossed with whatever is on their phone that they start laughing during lectures on the Guatemalan genocide, you'd probably get a bit tired of their shit too.
I imagine that I would, but I wonder how instructors handled disruptors in the days before Snapchat...

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
28. My older daughter got her driver's license
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:40 PM
Sep 2017

when she graduated from college at 20.

My younger daughter just graduated from college and turned 20. She hopes to get her driver's license this month.

Neither drink to my knowledge.

My oldest did not date until she she started with the first boy she met on campus. She ended up marrying him (so has never dated anyone else).

My youngest has not dated.

My oldest has been working as an engineer since she graduated at 20 last May. Her husband is two years older than her, and he also works and graduated with her in engineering.

My youngest is looking for a nursing job after graduating late last month. She just passed her nursing licensing exam. She lives at home with me.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
36. Some of y'all MFers can't be pleased
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:38 AM
Sep 2017

10 years ago, the "adults" were freaking out because kids were engaging in "too much" risky behavior ( drinking and sex specifically).

Now they're worried because we engage in too little?

Mixed messages for $1000 Alex!

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