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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 04:23 PM Aug 2012

Mitt Romney Criticized By Franciscan Friars For Comments On The Poor

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON-- The Franciscan Action Network (FAN), a Catholic faith-based advocacy and civic engagement organization, is strongly criticizing Mitt Romney's recent ads and rhetoric regarding welfare programs and welfare recipients, urging him to spend some time in low-income communities.

"Our Christian tradition teaches that we are to treat the poor with dignity and to prioritize the poor in our policies as a society," the organization said in a press release on Thursday. "At a time when millions are struggling financially, it is degrading to talk about the 'dependency' of people hurting in this economy, as Gov. Romney did recently."

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FAN spokesman Lonnie Ellis told The Huffington Post that what Romney is doing is "worse than ignoring" poor people. He said Romney is essentially criticizing President Barack Obama for helping out low-income individuals. "It's saying look, 'President Obama is actually supporting poor people too much, or he's just giving a free ride to poor people,'" Ellis said. "So it's actually using poor people in a really bad way."

FAN's criticism, however, goes beyond the Romney campaign's rhetoric on welfare by condemning cuts to Pell Grants, Medicaid and Head Start programs put forth in the budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and supported by Romney.

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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/mitt-romney-franciscan-friars-poor_n_1760580.html

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Mitt Romney Criticized By Franciscan Friars For Comments On The Poor (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2012 OP
Franciscans, Nuns... orwell Aug 2012 #1
To which Mittens replied "Franciscan Fryers? Aren't they a kind of chicken?"... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #2
LOL!! ailsagirl Aug 2012 #11
"The poor have a safety net", Rmoney says as he shrinks it to fit his heir. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #3
you might say.... ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2012 #4
+1 RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #7
A new meme, to go along with 'Romney will raise taxes!' I love it! freshwest Aug 2012 #8
Good for them. They use religion in the best ways, to help the "least" of us, in biblical terms. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #5
Vulture capitalism literally creates the poor. Then the Randians demand they die. It's that simple. freshwest Aug 2012 #9
Yep. WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2012 #15
'Thank God' for those Franciscan Friars. Maybe some of the bashers will listen to them, even if... freshwest Aug 2012 #6
The Franciscans have been looking out for the poor for more than a thousand years. yardwork Aug 2012 #10
And weren't the nuns after him recently to ride on the bus instead of flying?? ailsagirl Aug 2012 #12
"I'm a big fan of the Franciscan Friars. One of my best friends owns the team." n/t Bossy Monkey Aug 2012 #13
Can we call it "Romney's war on religion"? kiranon Aug 2012 #14
In other news, Bain Capital has launched a hostile takeover attempt on the Franciscan Order. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #16
Oh oh! the bishops are not going to stand for this! mazzarro Aug 2012 #17
Even if that happened . . . Brigid Aug 2012 #21
Two American Archbishops Are Franciscans SoDesuKa Aug 2012 #43
When you get on the fightin' side of "Brother Sun", you're asking for trouble Ken Burch Aug 2012 #18
... or "Sister Moon" for that matter... warrprayer Aug 2012 #20
What was the name of that film? Brigid Aug 2012 #22
"Brother Sun, Sister Moon" warrprayer Aug 2012 #24
Thanks. I'm sure I can find it somewhere. Brigid Aug 2012 #30
Good luck! warrprayer Aug 2012 #31
Here's a source for ya! Ken Burch Aug 2012 #33
Title taken, of course, from "The Canticle of the Sun," the Franciscan prayer. CBHagman Aug 2012 #41
"Brother Sun, Sister Moon" warrprayer Aug 2012 #34
The right wing Catholics in my town warrprayer Aug 2012 #19
Said RW Catholics . . . Brigid Aug 2012 #23
Ratzinger warrprayer Aug 2012 #25
Our newly appointed Bishop warrprayer Aug 2012 #28
Hillary warrprayer Aug 2012 #26
REALLY dig that meme: Romney is using the poor. Insanely wealthy man takes advantage of the poorest patrice Aug 2012 #27
Just when you think Mittens cannot offend anyone else... SoapBox Aug 2012 #29
Mitt Romney is a crook! dsteve01 Aug 2012 #32
Well Romney just doubled down with Paul Ryan has his VP pick. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #35
kick DesertRat Aug 2012 #36
knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #37
kick LeftishBrit Aug 2012 #38
That's the thing about Catholics, these are not uber right-wing nut jobs LynneSin Aug 2012 #39
Meet Charlie Chaput, Right Wing Nut Job SoDesuKa Aug 2012 #44
My late sweetheart Jeanne, was a devout Catholic who believed in the social justice teachings.... LongTomH Aug 2012 #40
St. Francis was the first Tree-Hugger. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #42

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
5. Good for them. They use religion in the best ways, to help the "least" of us, in biblical terms.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 04:31 PM
Aug 2012

I was driving through Tacoma, Washington today. I live in a nearby suburb. I love to drive thru downtown Tacoma because it's beautiful in a gritty way, and I see so many different kinds of people from all walks of life. The one thing that I've noticed over the past 8 years, is how the neighborhoods are getting more and more run down, i've seen more and more street people and people who look as though they are just barely hanging on. They are getting poorer because of Bush's recession and people like Romney who engineered outsourcing to take away the jobs that could grow with a community like Tacoma. So many factories have been sold to larger corporations, or simply closed so that the mfg is now done in China. The job market has definitely improved here since 2009. At that time there were a handful of jobs listed on CraigsList (legit jobs) now there are pages of them, BUT it has not caught up to the unskilled young people who are coming out of school and have no path to college or vocational training, and for the numerous veterans whose jobs have gone to China and India.

Romney's very existence is the antipathy of America doing better as a whole. He hates poor people... The trouble with a guy like that is that he BLAMES people for their lot in life, using that "bootstrap" line that the GOP is fond of. Well, that may have been true at a different time in America's history, when all it took was working hard in order to get a home for your family, and send the kids to college or into a similar job you had when you were that age. Those days are gone. It's not enough to work hard. The jobs have been outsourced by the likes of Romney, and he blames the people left behind. He is the worst kind of business person.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Vulture capitalism literally creates the poor. Then the Randians demand they die. It's that simple.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 04:38 PM
Aug 2012

Romney is a perfect example of that mentality. What he refuses to admit is the potential of other human beings. I guess such people as him and the Koches believe it's all about genetics or birthright. That denies so much of humanity a chance. The person who is poor, given the opportunity, can contribute to society and even Romneys by their 'God-given' talents and hard work which they are busy denying the chance to use. It's an evil waste of the creative power of the human race.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
15. Yep.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 05:46 PM
Aug 2012
"...using that "bootstrap" line that the GOP is fond of."


That was always one of my favorites, especially since their programs never allowed anyone except the wealthy into the damn shoe store to begin with.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. 'Thank God' for those Franciscan Friars. Maybe some of the bashers will listen to them, even if...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 04:31 PM
Aug 2012
They refuse to listen to Democrats.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
10. The Franciscans have been looking out for the poor for more than a thousand years.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 05:19 PM
Aug 2012

But I don't remember them wading into a political debate in the recent past. Good for them, and it shows just how far out there Romney is.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
14. Can we call it "Romney's war on religion"?
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 05:33 PM
Aug 2012

Imagine his defense will be - "What do you think I am, a Christian?" (Said with tongue in cheek.)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. In other news, Bain Capital has launched a hostile takeover attempt on the Franciscan Order.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 06:34 PM
Aug 2012

If successful, all remaining U.S. Franciscan monasteries and missions will be outsourced to Bangalore. Layoffs will be imposed effective this Christmas Eve.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
17. Oh oh! the bishops are not going to stand for this!
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 06:40 PM
Aug 2012

The hammer will likely come down on the Franciscan Order soon at the behest of Vatican!

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
21. Even if that happened . . .
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:12 PM
Aug 2012

I doubt the friars would be intimidated. I seem to recall that they spoke out in support of the nuns who were being chastised by the Vatican recently. I think they have more moral authority than the bishops or the Vatican these days. And there are probably very few, if any, Franciscans in the heirarchy of the Church. There are a good number of parishes, however, that would probably close if not for the efforts ordained Franciscan priests who have taken them over as their pastors. The Franciscans are cool people.

SoDesuKa

(3,173 posts)
43. Two American Archbishops Are Franciscans
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:15 AM
Aug 2012

Cardinal O'Malley of Boston and Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia are both Franciscans.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
20. ... or "Sister Moon" for that matter...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:05 PM
Aug 2012

... Saw the Catholic made film with the beautiful soundtrack by Donovan. I'm not particularly religious but it brought tears to my tired Irish eyes...

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
24. "Brother Sun, Sister Moon"
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:21 PM
Aug 2012

about St Francis and the Churches mission to the poor... sadly forgotten these days it seems. I saw it at a Catholic function. Not a dry eye in the house.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
41. Title taken, of course, from "The Canticle of the Sun," the Franciscan prayer.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:17 PM
Aug 2012

You should be able to find the movie online, in VHS, or possibly on DVD.



On edit: Before the first Gulf War, Franciscan friars came to Lafayette Park (opposite the White House) to join fellow peace demonstrators.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
34. "Brother Sun, Sister Moon"
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:47 PM
Aug 2012

full movie, for free. The Story of St. Francis. Music by Donovan, 1972. Outstanding and profound.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
19. The right wing Catholics in my town
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:03 PM
Aug 2012

(and I am one) have been trying to shove it down everyones throat that "if you're Catholic you can't vote for Obama. Thanks so much, High Plains. I'm going to brain them with this.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
25. Ratzinger
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:26 PM
Aug 2012

just appointed a new Bishop to replace Donald Trautman. The dean of Mercyhurst College invited Hillary Clinton to speak during the campaign. Trautman retaliated by having his small band of abortion nuts picket the speech. (thousands turned out in 15 degree weather in whipping winds to see Hillary, I sttod in line for 2 hours freezing to death.) Trautman got about 50 protesters to show up who were eventually told to leave by Secret Service for taunting those standing in line. Trautman boycotted Mercyhursts graduation that year to put the icing on the cake. These morons are intractable.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
26. Hillary
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:27 PM
Aug 2012

... had a hard time making her speech. Every time she started to talk the hall erupted in thunderous applause.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. REALLY dig that meme: Romney is using the poor. Insanely wealthy man takes advantage of the poorest
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:29 PM
Aug 2012

amongst us.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
29. Just when you think Mittens cannot offend anyone else...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:43 PM
Aug 2012

He does it!

Just keep talking Mittens...PLEASE, just keep talking!

dsteve01

(312 posts)
32. Mitt Romney is a crook!
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 10:20 PM
Aug 2012

God save us from his Wrath!

Got an interesting article about him at the blog in my signature line

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
39. That's the thing about Catholics, these are not uber right-wing nut jobs
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:59 AM
Aug 2012

I mean yes, they are anti-choice but many true Catholics are also anti-death penalty and anti-war. To them it's a 'Thou shall not kill' thing. I live in a very catholic neighborhood and you'd be hardpressed to find one of them who votes republican, but then again I live in a blue state and very blue city.

SoDesuKa

(3,173 posts)
44. Meet Charlie Chaput, Right Wing Nut Job
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:53 AM
Aug 2012

Franciscan friar Charles Chaput, the archbishop of Philadelphia, is about as far to the right as nut jobs get. Benedict put Chaput into Philadelphia because Pennsylvania is a swing state which could easily go right wing. In 2004 Chaput declared it "sinful" for Catholics to vote for John Kerry. Chaput is also the author of the book Render Unto Caesar, which calls on Catholics to vote their beliefs; i.e., against gay marriage and against abortion.

As reported by EWTN, Chaput has criticized what he views as a "spirit of adulation bordering on servility" that exists towards Barack Obama, remarking, "in democracies, we elect public servants, not messiahs." The archbishop states that Obama tries to mask his record on abortion and other issues with "rosy marketing about unity, hope, and change." Chaput also dismissed the notion that Obama was given a broad mandate, reasoning he was elected to "fix an economic crisis" and not to "retool American culture on the issues of marriage and the family, sexuality, bioethics, religion in public life, and abortion."[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_J._Chaput

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"It's a sin to vote for John Kerry"[/center]

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
40. My late sweetheart Jeanne, was a devout Catholic who believed in the social justice teachings....
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:10 PM
Aug 2012

...of her church. Her brother, who preceeded her in death by a few months, was a lay Franciscian. I don't think Jeanne, or her brother, would approve of Ryan/Romney!

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