UPDATED: Trump: 'I Have Proof' Dem Rep 'Totally Fabricated' My Remarks to Niger Soldier's Widow

[DonViejo]

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Source: Mediate



by Ken Meyer | 7:51 am, October 18th, 2017

President Trump is going after Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-FL) and claiming she lied about his call to the grieving widow of one of the Green Berets who was recently killed in Niger.

Link to tweet

After coming under fire for not addressing the ISIS ambush earlier this month, Trump reached out to the pregnant widow of Sgt. La David Johnson last night in order to express his sympathies for her loss. Wilson says she was with Myeshia Johnson during the call, and that the president said on a speaker phone “he knew what he signed up for…but when it happens it hurts anyway.”

This allegation has already created new questions about the president’s sensitivity, though Trump claims he has proof that Wilson’s words are bogus.

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UPDATE:

Dem lawmaker fires back at Trump: 'This man is a sick man'

BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 10/18/17 07:51 AM EDT

Rep. Frederica Wilson blasted President Trump on Wednesday, calling him a "sick man" after he accused the Florida Democrat of fabricating her claim that he made an insensitive remark to the wife of a fallen soldier.

"This man is a sick man. He's cold hearted, and he feels no pity or sympathy for anyone," Wilson told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day."

"This is a grieving widow. A grieving widow, who is 6 months pregnant," she continued.

"When she actually hung up the phone, she looked at me and said 'he didn't even know his name.' Now that's the worst part, " Wilson said.

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/355966-dem-lawmaker-responds-to-trump-on-fallen-soldier-phone-call-this-man-is-a-sick

[orangecrush]

1. Sick, boorish man

[Botany]

2. He is a monster.

“he knew what he signed up for" What the fuck is wrong with that man?

Rep. Frederica Wilson was in the room when Trump called. End of story.

[mobeau69]

3. Weren't they in a car?

[Botany]

5. you might be right

I just heard her say this am she was there when the call came in and it was on
speaker.

[JHB]

51. Sure it's BS, but my first thought was...

..."more like, Vlad can prove it."

[beachbum bob]

4. a proven liar like trump? He has tape recordings like he said he had with Comey is my guess, lol

[bitterross]

23. That was my first thought too - Sure you do. Like the Comey tapes.

It is BS. Just like everything else he says.

[underpants]

6. Is this his team of people in Hawaii who found this proof?

Oh and we need to see proof of the $1M donation for Hurricane Harvey recovery.

[CurtEastPoint]

7. "Democrat" Those fuckers just love that joke, don't they?

[IronLionZion]

9. They often emphasize rat when they say it

[forgotmylogin]

19. They have basically morphed the phrase.

You never hear about the "Democratic Party" anymore, because they love to emphasize the RAT out of the word "Democrat".

I believe this was a Rove ploy that nobody ever thinks about anymore.

I also remember how when I was young, the US was always described as a "democracy". Now we're apparently a "republic". I think that's technically correct terminology since we have the (goddam fucking) Electoral College and we don't directly elect a leader, but it always jars me when I hear it.

[IronLionZion]

20. The US is a democracy and a republic. They are not opposing concepts

Both words work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.3bfccd95128e

I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

[forgotmylogin]

22. It makes sense though that R's would opt for "Republic" though.

The first time I heard it I thought it was a mistake.

[louis-t]

36. An easier way to say that (I have used it) is:

"Republic is the entity, democracy is the style of government."
My relatives started repeating the "republic not democracy" bullshit after Jerry Falwell started opening every interview with the phrase.

[FakeNoose]

24. Democracy and republic aren't mutually exclusive

Actually we're both and neither. We're more like a congomeration of both systems.

In a democracy everyone votes for everything, like a town hall meeting of a small town. No mayor or leader makes a decision, it's made by everyone together, after debate and hearing all sides. Well this works for a small group (like in the beginning of our country) but it became unwieldy with urban growth and people moving out to the wilderness.

So the founding fathers realized this and incorporated aspects of a republic, where elected representatives - executives, legislative officials, and judicial representitves - were voted on and delegated to carry on the business of the people. In some states the judges are elected but others have changed to appointment by the governor to take the politics out of the judicial system. (Tell me a governor's appointment isn't also political.)

For the most part we really aren't a democracy any more, especially now that the Republican Party has taken over. But they cheated to get where they are now, in the catbird seat. The GOP can only win when they cheat, and that's why they're always looking for ways to game the system.

[Corgigal]

8. Like the proof that Obama bugged Trump tower?

Or the proof Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. On and on. Are we talking Trump proof or average adult human proof?

Still, since he mentioned it..produce it.

[GopherGal]

49. I'm sure he'll release the proof

...just after he releases his tax returns.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Heard a clip on Joe Madison a couple minutes ago

where the Congresswoman was on some station this morning and said - "there were other people in the car". (just saw some info and apparently she was on Mourning Schmoe too).

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/watch-the-msnbc-interview-with-rep-frederica-wilson-that-set-trump-off-on-crazed-twitter-rant/

(her Schmoe segment is at the above link)

[Zoonart]

11. He is a lying sack

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Wilson said there were multiple people in the car who heard Trump: aunt, an uncle, master sergeant, her aide. Says Trump is "lying"

If he releases a doctored audio tape .... a lot of people are going to lose it.

[louis-t]

37. You mean 'lose it'?

Just wondering.

[Zoonart]

38. I did mean lose it.

Made the change, thanks. I got the jimmy fingers.

[Historic NY]

12. Its reported 6 people were in the limo & phone was on speaker....

he should produce the proof or STFU. The more this goes on them more the hurt throughout the funeral.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Yes, widow in particular is now in the middle of a national controversy at the worst time for her.

What a beastly man-child tRump is.

Citizen Vain.

[onenote]

18. Unfortunately, it was Rep. Wilson that put her there.

This isn't going to be a popular view here and I want to emphasize that I don't have any reason to doubt Wilson's version of the call.

However, the call was between trump and the widow and her family. Yes it was on speaker. Yes it could be heard by others. But unless the widow herself was offended by the words and consented to Wilson going public, it was not Wilson's place to comment. Maybe that's what happened, although you would think Wilson's comments would have reflected that.

Now, the widow is stuck in the middle of a controversy not of her own making. If she backs up Wilson, great. But maybe she heard the words differently or took them differently. Maybe she says that she appreciated the call. Then what?

I have had the experience of people coming up to me after the death of each of my parents and saying things that were inappropriate. I've had people overhear those remarks or have repeated them to others. But whether I took offense or chose to view it in a different light was my choice and I would have been royally pissed if anyone I shared the information with talked about it to anyone else.

Again, I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of Wilson's description of the call. I just don't think it was her place to be outraged on behalf of the widow unless the widow made it clear she was upset and while she didn't want to comment about it herself, she was okay with Wilson conveying her reaction for her.

[Demit]

29. Yes, but Rep. Wilson wasn't exactly eavesdropping, like the people in your scenario.

She heard for herself what Trump said b/c the call was on speaker. So she has a right to her own reaction. Plus, the widow was indeed clearly upset. She couldn't believe Trump didn't even remember her husband's name.

[onenote]

30. UPDATE: Sgt Johnson's mother backs up Rep. Wilson's report

UPDATE: It is being reported that the mother of Sgt. Johnson has confirmed Wilson's report of the call and indicated that she (the mother) felt the president was disrespectful. That's good enough for me. Now we can see if the Trumpstans are prepared to go after a Gold Star mother (again).

[snowybirdie]

31. Funny

But that's the same thing Faux news said this morning

[onenote]

39. Really? Fox said it would be great if the widow backed up Wilson?

Because that's what I said.

[snowybirdie]

41. I was responding

to the person who said Rep Wilson should not have discussed the phone call. Don't know where it landed in the comments section.

[mahina]

46. And now, when his widow has confirmed that trump's comments were disrespectful?

[onenote]

47. If you had looked you would see that I already said that was great -

five hours ago.

[mahina]

48. Thanks!

[brush]

54. Seriously? It was on speaker because it was the President of the United States calling.

Come on, who wouldn't put the president on speaker for everyone to hear.

And did you not get the part where Mrs. Johnson said trump didn't even remember Sgt. Johnson's name?

Rep. Wilson is Mrs. Johnson's representative so IMO she was right in criticizing trump's bumbling, clumsy, soulless, insensitivity.

The imposter in the WH needs to be exposed for what he is — as if we didn't have enough evidence already.

[brush]

53. It's like he's totally unaware of technology...everybody has cellphones with speaker mode...

nowadays. Does he actually think Sgt Johnson's widow would be in the car by herself on the way to meet her husband's casket and he could therefore lie his way out of it?

It's just sickening what we go through every damn day with this soulless imposter in the White House.

Brace yourself, who knows what's coming next.

[chelsea0011]

14. Just ask yourself. Does the reply to the widow sound like something trump would say?

Or does it sound like a fabricated story? And you will have your answer.

[Dave Starsky]

15. Put up or shut up, fathead.

There were witnesses.

[lagomorph777]

16. So, produce the tape, President Turd.

And quickly, else we assume you completely doctored it.

[mopinko]

17. you would think someone would have given him a script to read.

seems like the day care folks slipped up.

[bullwinkle428]

21. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like you've got the fucking tapes of the Comey conversations.

[itcfish]

33. And proof

5 million illegal aliens voted LOL

[titaniumsalute]

25. It's right where the wire tapping proof is located...

[Me.]

26. She Should Call Him On It

Challenge to produce proof

[Sunlei]

27. The Government can shut down websites, why can't they shut down the Morons personal twitter?

[vlyons]

28. He just can never leave it alone

Everytime Trump breaks the norms of personal behavior, which seems to be constantly, he just can't leave it alone. When he gets called on the carpet and read the riot act, he has to say something even more stupid in defense of his ego. I am so past the point of hating this man. He just never knows how to say the right thing in the right place at the right time. That's called being out of syntony, or harmony, with his environment. He is one of the most severe cases of out of syntony that I've ever seen. He's pathetic. Desparately needing approval, yet behavior that is constantly disapproved. He must secretly suffer a lot, but pretends to be happy and successful. Everyone can see his distorted and clueless ego, but him. I just have to shake my head in wonderment.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

50. vlyons, anytime I'm baffled by tRump's behavior, I go to...

Wikipedia's page on psychopathy. Reading it is almost like reading a mental biography on him. I'm convinced we've elected a very sick man to lead our country and need to push for his removal by all reasonable means.

In addition to the characteristics of a psychopath, he also appears to be plagued by other disorders, described by this excerpt from the Wiki:
(snip)
Psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism, three personality traits that are together referred to as the dark triad, share certain characteristics, such as a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.
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I believe what you're calling lack of syntony or harmony the field of psychology might call anti-social behavior. He seems to exist in a bubble occupied only by himself.

[TexasBushwhacker]

32. You know what the trolls are commenting about?

Fredrika Wilson's hat! No I 'm not kidding.

[truthisfreedom]

34. Widow confirms disrespectful comments by 45

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/18/totally-fabricated-trump-disputes-congresswomans-depiction-of-his-exchange-with-soldiers-widow/

[onenote]

40. Actually, I think it was Sgt. Johnson's mother. But that's more than enough

to back up not only Wilson's description of the call but also that it was extremely hurtful to Sgt. Johnson's family.

[Gothmog]

35. From EarlG

[brush]

55. POS never learns. He couldn't even be bother to mention Sgt. Johnson's name in the tweet.

Just as he didn't during the phone call.

Total jerk. Get him out.

Come on, Mueller.

[steve2470]

42. Such a lying sack of shit narcissistic psychopath

All Trump voters should feel shame at putting this man in the Oval Office. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY, easily.

[Pluvious]

43. As well as all the "stay at home" voters and the "protest" voters n/t

[steve2470]

44. +1 nt

[mahina]

45. Lordy, I hope there ARE tapes.

[davertcx]

52. He got photoshoped proof

He got photoshoped proof