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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 08:19 AM Oct 2017

Senators Stunned to Discover We Have 1,000 Troops in Niger

Source: The Daily Beast




The death of four soldiers has opened eyes to that mission. It’s also raised a question: How can our presence there be justified by a law passed in 2001?

BETSY WOODRUFF
10.22.17 9:15 PM ET

The death of four U.S. Special Operations Forces troops in Niger has generated a raucous conversation about how presidents should comfort bereft Gold Star families.

But, quietly, it’s fueling a more difficult debate than whether a phone call or a letter suffices in the aftermath of tragedy; mainly, why were U.S. troops in the country in the first place, and does Congress need to exert more authority when it comes such deployments?

Many lawmakers assiduously duck these questions. But on the Sunday shows, several were forced to address them in the aftermath of four soldiers dying under still-mysterious circumstances near the small town of Tongo Tongo. In the process, two powerful Senators tacitly admitted that they hadn’t even known the extent of U.S. involvement in Niger in the first place.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of the chamber’s most hawkish members, told host Chuck Todd on Meet the Press that he didn’t know until recently that a thousand U.S. troops are stationed in Niger.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/senators-are-stunned-to-discover-we-have-1000-troops-in-niger

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dreamland

(964 posts)
2. Really?!!
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 08:42 AM
Oct 2017

With all that oil production coming out from there and ExxonMobile and Chevron having a huge presence there?!! I wouldn't put it past this administration that they were planning to create diversions so the these oil giants can step in to "save" the Niger and Nigerians. Remember who is SOS, they are all carving out pieces of our democracy to benefit themselves only.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
13. That would be Nigeria.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:25 PM
Oct 2017

Different country entirely.

Niger has oil, but it's barely exploited. And the last I heard, it was the Chinese petroleum company that was in charge--not Exxon-Mobile. Exxon-Mobile has no huge presence there--barely any at all, actually.

Niger has Nigeriens. Nigeria has Nigerians.

FigTree

(347 posts)
19. Niger has one of the highest grade uranium on the planet.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:24 PM
Oct 2017

And that is why it interests so many people.

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
3. From what I understand, this was originally to deal with Boko Haram
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:51 AM
Oct 2017

many of whom were operating out of rural areas of Nigeria along or across the border to Niger, and mainly as a result of their horrific kidnapping of over 200 young girls.

Here is some info for when this was initiated in 2014 - https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/10/14/fact-sheet-us-efforts-assist-nigerian-government-its-fight-against-boko-

Some updates from this year - http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520440725/u-s-military-works-with-african-special-forces-to-fight-boko-haram

Military equipment sale just this past August to Nigeria - https://qz.com/1064752/boko-haram-nigeria-has-purchased-593-million-worth-of-military-gear-from-the-us/

What has apparently happened is that a break-off group of Boko Haram has regrouped to align with ISIL.

It's a shame that U.S. children spend years learning every fucking country in Europe but have no idea about the countries in Africa, and naturally Congress doesn't give a shit either (unless there is oil or they want to sell military equipment - Nigeria).

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
7. Boko Haram pledged loyalty to ISIS and are working together
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:22 PM
Oct 2017

I'm sure those US soldiers have an honorable mission there but it's shameful that more Americans don't know about it. The media doesn't give it much attention. Our politicians don't talk about it. There are other parts of the world where local groups have allied with ISIS.

It's a problem that US senators don't know where significant amounts of US soldiers are stationed and engaged in combat with terrorists. That would be an important thing to know.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. Someone funds them & trains them, Russia?. This last group had good gear & vehicles.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:45 PM
Oct 2017

ambush plan complete with delay tactics and then motorcycles to bait our military into chasing them into ambush.

Our military shouldn't even BE THERE.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
10. pledging loyalty to ISIS and Al Qaeda gets them financing from the middle east
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:56 PM
Oct 2017

they get money from kidnapping and sex slavery, bank robberies, and other crimes. There is an enormous black market in Africa for weapons of all types. Many illegal arms dealers sell with impunity in Africa. Some of them are from Russia and Eastern Europe.

It does seem a bit odd that the badly impoverished region of northern Nigeria has these assholes terrorizing them and extorting money out of very poor people.

Our military is doing good things to help people who can't fight for themselves. This mission started with Obama years ago. Trump is likely to pull troops out of there and send them someplace much less necessary, like to fight North Korea.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
8. America shouldn't be spending billions? in Niger protecting oil/mining Corporations when we can
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:38 PM
Oct 2017

use our own domestic oil, buy already mined minerals/ crude.

Let Corporations pay for their own damn security!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,174 posts)
11. Ah, yes. Protecting "American interests"
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 06:18 PM
Oct 2017

Which, 90% of the time, translates to protecting some big private company.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
14. That would be the Chinese.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:30 PM
Oct 2017

Most of what's going on in Niger stems from two situations.

The first is separatism among Berbers, esp. Islamist Berbers, in the N and NW. The second is Boko Haram in the S and SW, yet another Fulani jihad, brimming over into Nigeria.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
12. Seems odd that they got no briefings about AfriCom
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 06:25 PM
Oct 2017

It's not the biggest command, but it's still significant.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
15. They probably do.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:31 PM
Oct 2017

But most of the AfriCom action has been in the east, involving al-shabaab in Somalia. The mess with Chad/Nigeria/Niger is much more recent and while relatively high profile, mostly the US is training and accompanying local forces. As in this case.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
17. Agree. The OP headline/title is a little misleading, should read: ...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:43 AM
Oct 2017

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