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UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:34 AM Oct 2017

George H.W. Bush Acknowledges Groping Multiple Women

Source: NPR

Former President George H.W. Bush has acknowledged touching multiple women inappropriately in what his spokesman called "patt[ing] women's rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner."

Two women have reportedly accused the former president of groping them while posing for photographs with Bush in recent years.

Actress Heather Lind wrote a post on Instagram, which has since been deleted, about an incident from early 2014.

"[W]hen I got the chance to meet George H. W. Bush four years ago to promote a historical television show I was working on, he sexually assaulted me while I was posing for a similar photo," Lind wrote in a post Tuesday, according to CNN. "He didn't shake my hand. He touched me from behind from his wheelchair with his wife Barbara Bush by his side. He told me a dirty joke. And then, all the while being photographed, touched me again."

Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560148936/george-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women

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George H.W. Bush Acknowledges Groping Multiple Women (Original Post) UpInArms Oct 2017 OP
I know this is a serious issue, but ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #1
probably because it's been happening a lot in the past few years since he has mentally been losing JI7 Oct 2017 #2
I've heard rumors that ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2017 #4
While I understand the concept of extending kindness to an older person Not Ruth Oct 2017 #6
Agree, and is this a new development or did he behave this way in earlier years as well. Laurian Oct 2017 #9
He has always Scarsdale Oct 2017 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Not Ruth Oct 2017 #17
During his run for the WH Scarsdale Oct 2017 #21
"Pat" Schroeder OldHippieChick Oct 2017 #24
Thank you. Scarsdale Oct 2017 #30
republican "family values" are pretty damn low Achilleaze Oct 2017 #11
How does a mature adult male say that with a straight face??? pangaia Oct 2017 #22
Lecherous impulses are apparently the last to go...... Laurian Oct 2017 #3
A lot of old men (of all races) act like this though. kaotikross Oct 2017 #5
SNL is going to have a lot of material this week Not Ruth Oct 2017 #7
That's the kindest reply in this thread. truthisfreedom Oct 2017 #8
Calling this 'sexual assault' IMHO sorta trivializes the term, no offense Ms Lind ... mr_lebowski Oct 2017 #10
So many things wrong with your statement. cubbies01 Oct 2017 #13
One of the actresses said she felt hius hand "dig into (her) flesh." IOW, not a friendly tblue37 Oct 2017 #15
My point is there's a reason the term groping exists ... mr_lebowski Oct 2017 #34
Wow. johnp3907 Oct 2017 #20
I doubt that Bush does this at his country club. no_hypocrisy Oct 2017 #12
+1 lunasun Oct 2017 #14
Yeah, that's shitty. mr_lebowski Oct 2017 #35
I really hope this doesn't get normalized IronLionZion Oct 2017 #18
Powerful women don't seem to do it nearly as much because they know they can't get away with it. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #39
The part I almost can't believe is that a republican admitted doing something wrong rurallib Oct 2017 #19
my 95-year-old father-in-law, a true gentleman, has started doing it mainer Oct 2017 #23
I think anyone who works with geriatric patients janterry Oct 2017 #26
So at what age is it acceptable for people to grab you by the ass just wondering elehhhhna Oct 2017 #27
Don't you have any older relatives janterry Oct 2017 #28
Yes but none of them had Secret Service protection to keep them from miss behaving elehhhhna Oct 2017 #32
I've had a mother who died at 91 sharp as a tack. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #41
So being in a wheel chair gives you carte blance to pat womens asses?!?! Bengus81 Oct 2017 #25
Been wondering about this story.... Bayard Oct 2017 #29
I agree about the funeral soon Yupster Oct 2017 #36
Revelatory EPIDEMIC! Loyd Oct 2017 #31
People, Please, Hes 93 fucking years old. I dont believe he would understand even if corrected Old Vet Oct 2017 #33
As a geriatric nurse of 40 years, tavernier Oct 2017 #37
I wonder if he had this problem before his advanced years... xor Oct 2017 #38
I kinda remember that when he ran, or was actually in office question everything Oct 2017 #40

ExciteBike66

(2,300 posts)
1. I know this is a serious issue, but
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:38 AM
Oct 2017

I couldn't help but laugh when I read the statement from Bush's handlers. They just matter-of-factly come out and say "yeah, he pats their butts and tells a dirty joke, he thinks it puts them at ease." How does even a seasoned public-relations person say that with a straight face?

JI7

(89,244 posts)
2. probably because it's been happening a lot in the past few years since he has mentally been losing
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:45 AM
Oct 2017

it . they treat him like the crazy old uncle always spouting off things but everyone just ignores.

except this is happening to women who do not know or even are aware of the dementia.

they need to keep him away from people who don't know him.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
4. I've heard rumors that ...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:49 AM
Oct 2017

The former President isn't always very "all there." He's in and out if you catch my drift.

I have a friend whose late Dad suffered from Alzheimer's, and he used to tell the pretty nurses in the office he used to get his check ups in how beautiful they were, he'd ask them for kisses and hugs--she said he'd do some serious flirting with them, and she told her Dad "I'm gonna tell Mom how naughty you've been," and he'd say "Oh no, Please don't tell Mom on me," and he'd stop for that type of behavior for a bit. His wife/her Mom had been dead for 15 years to that point and they were extremely devoted to one another, plus my friend told me that before he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's he'd never exhibited that type of behavior. It only happened as his Alzheimer's progressed.

I'd never excuse this type of behavior, but IF the former president IS suffering from something ....

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
6. While I understand the concept of extending kindness to an older person
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:50 AM
Oct 2017

Tolerance sends the wrong message in that it endorses privilege at the expense of those historically most threatened by privilege.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. He has always
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:23 AM
Oct 2017

cheated on his wife. It was well known in DC. He had a 10 year affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald (Google her) who traveled the world with him as his "secretary" who could not type! There were others, too. While he was lambasting Clinton, he was doing the same type of things, but since he is gop, it was covered up.

Response to Scarsdale (Reply #16)

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
21. During his run for the WH
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 08:30 AM
Oct 2017

someone suggested he choose a female for VP. The democratic rep. from Colorado, Kay Schroeder (?) quipped "Yes, but they will still need a MAN on the ticket"!! So he was considered a wimp. Maybe Barbara is hoping the he will forget who she is, and pat her on the rear end one of these days? What a farce of a "marriage"

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
11. republican "family values" are pretty damn low
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 06:22 AM
Oct 2017

These wankers need to abandon their degenerate so-called "republican family values" and embrace American values like honesty, dignity, fairness, respect, and loyalty (not to monetary profits or the freaking evil empire* kremlin, but to the USA).

* per ronald reagan

kaotikross

(246 posts)
5. A lot of old men (of all races) act like this though.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 05:49 AM
Oct 2017

I've seen it personally. I even know some old guys that think this way. It's part wishing they could still do something about feeling frisky, part senility, part not knowing right from wrong anymore, part knowing they'll likely get away scot free, and part just being so old they don't care. At that age, they're children again. You wouldn't slap a toddler, same thing. Doesn't make it right, but at least we understand that we're dealing with guys so old they likely don't much know any better anymore. They see a nice butt, like a kid with a toy, they grab for it. As much as I disliked him politically, ol George never started doing this sort of thing until he was pretty darn old. His Secret Service people should probably be advised to stand near his hands to deter this sort of thing, not grabbing his arms or anything, just being or moving "in the way" in cases like this, and any ladies advised of his tendencies in advance.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Calling this 'sexual assault' IMHO sorta trivializes the term, no offense Ms Lind ...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 06:13 AM
Oct 2017

Using the same phrase for both having 93yo wheelchair-bound dementia-suffering former POTUS pinch your booty and tell you an off-color joke ... as would also properly describe a person being sexually brutalized by a gang of escaped convicts ... takes shit a bit too far for my taste.

Not excusing the behavior, just taking issue with that particular description. Think it's fair to say that 'Groped' is the applicable term.

cubbies01

(85 posts)
13. So many things wrong with your statement.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:01 AM
Oct 2017

1) You are assuming his account is 100 percent true that he was just gently patting pretty young girls behinds
2) This happened 4 years ago and you have no idea the state of his Dementia both then and now as it pertains to this
3) Touching a woman’s private area or breasts, repeatedly is sexual assault. Period. Apparently in your world sexual assault has to be some sort of brutalized attack by a gang of convicts. WTF
4) congrats on defending the groped and attacking the victim

tblue37

(65,269 posts)
15. One of the actresses said she felt hius hand "dig into (her) flesh." IOW, not a friendly
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:11 AM
Oct 2017

pat but an aggressive grab and squeeze.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
34. My point is there's a reason the term groping exists ...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

A butt pinching does not, IMHO, meet the definition of a 'sexual assault'. I'm certainly not saying "Hey it's fine!" Cause hell no it's not fine.

I'm saying it I don't think it crosses the threshold of meeting the definition. Especially not with an 89 year old having cognitive decline.

Now, if he pinched hard enough to actually hurt someone, then it's properly called an 'assault', of course!

I never said 'you must be ravaged a gang of convicts for it to constitute sexual assault', you're reading something that's not there.

And is why is 'repeatedly' important? Is it only 'SA' when done multiple times? Or did you mean 'intentionally'? And where does it say he touched her private parts or breast? Your butt cheeks are really not your private parts, at least not in my estimation.

If this is truly sexual assault, what he did, ffs charge him and drag his bony old ass in front of a judge and toss him in the clink. He needs to register as a sex criminal, right?

Let me ask you something else ... would you possibly take issue if she'd used the phrase 'a brutal sexual assault'? If so, then you should understand ... what I'm getting at. There's such a thing as taking something a bit far in one's 'descriptions'. So apparently you and I have different 'lines in the sand' as it were.

I think one risks trivializing the trauma associated with a sexual assault ... when they throw it out for a situation like this (given what we actually know and has been stipulated to), okay? That's really the only point here.

And I say this ... as a victim myself ... so maybe that's why I'm 'all fucked up' in my attitude about it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
14. +1
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:09 AM
Oct 2017

Of course some women probably work there ..... Spokesman for Bush said "he apologizes if his attempt at humour offended Ms Lind. "
That is not the correct response IMO

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. Yeah, that's shitty.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 04:09 PM
Oct 2017

Most likely that'd be straight from the family lawyer's mouths, however.

The old coot is probably mostly drooling in front of the tv these days.

IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
18. I really hope this doesn't get normalized
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:49 AM
Oct 2017

as in "If presidents do it, then it must be normal"

I doubt female politicians have groped men and boys (I hope not).

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
39. Powerful women don't seem to do it nearly as much because they know they can't get away with it.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 01:49 PM
Oct 2017

Unlike powerful men - who have collectively been getting away with all kinds of sexual harassment and assault for centuries, of course.

However, I should also state that there absolutely are women in positions of authority who abuse said authority to get their way sexually. I'm thinking specifically of those schoolteachers who rape (statutory definition) male students. The problem there, though, is that the flip-side of "boys will be boys" is this idea that men cannot possibly NOT consent to having sex with women, because they (we - I'm a man myself, full disclosure) are biologically wired to horn-dogs who'll happily fuck any woman they encounter. That ideology is damaging to men and women alike.

And of course, plenty of men and boys experience sexual assault from other men - look at prisons or the Catholic Church (talk about power and authority! ) Or indeed, a lot of pedophiles, or rape within LGBTQ circles (men, women, and transgender alike - the last of those three being especially vulnerable to rape and other forms of sexual assault, from what I understand).


All of this is to say: Sexual assault is about power and power inequities more than it is about any healthy form of sexual attraction (by definition, since I'm assuming that we all can agree that grabbing someone by the pussy, ass, breasts, cock, etc. without that person's consent is not part of a healthy, romantic, and loving sexual relationship...). The fact that men collectively and more often than not, individually have more power physically, politically, and culturally than women is the REAL reason for why what we call "rape culture" is so closely related to predatory male sexual dominance over women and girls (and to an underappreciated and even more under-reported extent, toward other men and boys).

For I refuse to believe that men are more "naturally" inclined to sexual assault than women, and this would certainly not be the case in a much more egalitarian society - one in which every aspect of social, cultural, economic, and political egalitarianism is real or at the very least, seriously strived for.

rurallib

(62,401 posts)
19. The part I almost can't believe is that a republican admitted doing something wrong
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:55 AM
Oct 2017

Has this happened since Nixon?

mainer

(12,022 posts)
23. my 95-year-old father-in-law, a true gentleman, has started doing it
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:12 AM
Oct 2017

He's the sweetest, most thoughtful man I know and has never behaved inappropriately. But as his dementia worsens, he's started doing inappropriate things like grabbing waitresses by the arm and not letting go.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
26. I think anyone who works with geriatric patients
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:24 AM
Oct 2017

is just shaking their head at this non-story.

I thought it was nice that he was on stage recently, for the fundraiser - and how heartening it must be for him and his family - that he is still included in these kinds of things.

OTOH, his 'people' need to be much more watchful and prep whomever he is around, so they are prepared.

Sorry about your father-in-law, btw. My grandfather, I am told, could be quite randy at 92 .

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
32. Yes but none of them had Secret Service protection to keep them from miss behaving
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 01:14 PM
Oct 2017

Yes but none of them had Secret Service protection to keep them from miss behaving

Bengus81

(6,930 posts)
25. So being in a wheel chair gives you carte blance to pat womens asses?!?!
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:17 AM
Oct 2017

Or...if only your a Bush and former President. I just don't know WHAT to tell my children!! sobbbbbbbb.....

Bayard

(22,035 posts)
29. Been wondering about this story....
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 12:00 PM
Oct 2017

Isn't any person's ass kind of high up for a person in a wheel chair to reach?

I've also seen this in people with dementia though. Its like social norms go out the window. I suspect that not far in the future we will be having a presidential funeral....

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
36. I agree about the funeral soon
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:50 PM
Oct 2017

He looks just dreadful.

I'm thinking it takes a lot of willpower for him to stay alive.

After these revelations, my guess is he wished he died a year ago. Grandpa groping from the wheelchair is probably not how he'd want to be remembered, but it will be now.

 

Loyd

(309 posts)
31. Revelatory EPIDEMIC!
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 01:10 PM
Oct 2017

To be honest I've given both women and men a quick swat of a buttcheek on various occasions, after s/he has done a really good job on something. I've never groped anybody.

tavernier

(12,374 posts)
37. As a geriatric nurse of 40 years,
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 11:12 PM
Oct 2017

you are absolutely right.

Inappropriate sexual behavior is very common for people with dementia or Alzheimer’s.

Not a fan of the Bushes, but IMO we should leave this alone.

xor

(1,204 posts)
38. I wonder if he had this problem before his advanced years...
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:15 AM
Oct 2017

I haven't heard anything about him having these problems before. Still have to wonder why they are bringing him out as a presidential prop even though they are well aware of this behavior.

question everything

(47,460 posts)
40. I kinda remember that when he ran, or was actually in office
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 02:04 PM
Oct 2017

someone floated a rumor that he'd had a mistress. Perhaps to counter Clinton's "bimbo eruptions."

And everyone dismissed it. I think that one of grandchildren just laughed it off.

As for patting someone's behind - they do it in baseball, don't they?

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