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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:48 AM Nov 2017

Mueller Reveals New Manafort Link to Organized Crime

Source: The Daily Beast



Trump’s former campaign manager didn’t just do business with accused gangsters. One of them transferred millions into a Manafort account, allegedly used for money laundering.

BETSY WOODRUFF

11.02.17 5:00 AM ET

Buried deep in Robert Mueller’s indictment of Paul Manafort is a new link between Donald Trump’s former campaign and Russian organized crime.

The indictment (PDF), unsealed on Monday, includes an extensive look into Paul Manafort’s byzantine financial dealings. In particular, it details how he used a company called Lucicle Consultants Limited to wire millions of dollars into the United States.

The Cyprus-based Lucicle Consultants Limited, in turn, reportedly received millions of dollars from a businessman and Ukrainian parliamentarian named Ivan Fursin, who is closely linked to one of Russia’s most notorious criminals: Semion Mogilevich.

Mogilevich is frequently described as “the most dangerous mobster in the world.” Currently believed to be safe in Moscow, he is, according to the FBI, responsible for weapons trafficking, contract killings, and international prostitution. In 2009, he made the bureau’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list.


Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-reveals-new-manafort-link-to-organized-crime

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Mueller Reveals New Manafort Link to Organized Crime (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
Hmmmm, International Prostitution? Like "pee-pee" girls? n/t woodsprite Nov 2017 #1
Of course, the human trafficking story that broke, tying Trump Models Wwcd Nov 2017 #9
This stuff will soon be front and center. It's part of what will ruin Trumpy, Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #10
Thank you & yes it will be RICO that siezes their assets & destroys the Trump Brand. Wwcd Nov 2017 #12
Yes that seems to be Mueller's strategy FakeNoose Nov 2017 #60
I just read that Mercer is to be indictedbon espionage. Wwcd Nov 2017 #61
I didn't know Mueller is going after him too FakeNoose Nov 2017 #62
Looking for the source reporting this lbn. Wwcd Nov 2017 #63
There is a woman on here who has done substantial Alice11111 Nov 2017 #39
I'd be interrested in comparing her research with others. Wwcd Nov 2017 #42
Gaby was legit and linked articles going back years re Alice11111 Nov 2017 #45
I am sure she knew details & wrote from experience. Wwcd Nov 2017 #47
"To defend good over evil," I think that is what our purpose is in the universe. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #52
I firmly believe volstork Nov 2017 #35
Considering the mob & most organized crime's basic Wwcd Nov 2017 #44
Really? Why? I believe, but don't really give a shit about pee Alice11111 Nov 2017 #46
See Wwcd's reply above. volstork Nov 2017 #48
Well stated & very true. No impulse control. I have read Alice11111 Nov 2017 #56
"I don't know if the Repubs will ever believe their eyes or care, most of them." volstork Nov 2017 #64
I don't think the committed base would believe, no matter how much proof. I hope I am wrong! Alice11111 Nov 2017 #66
True Alice. It has nothing to do with pee tapes. That would be the mildest of filthy things done to Wwcd Nov 2017 #53
Wow! Great point! C Moon Nov 2017 #28
That was my thought as well. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #31
Mogilevich sounds like a swell guy titaniumsalute Nov 2017 #2
He is someone that Scarsdale Nov 2017 #16
He kinda is the biggest gangster in the world! Ohiya Nov 2017 #37
DT can't hold a candle to Putin in Intelligence, but I think he is more relatable, personable, for m Alice11111 Nov 2017 #51
Manafort's link to organized crime: he worked for 45* groundloop Nov 2017 #3
Exactly. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #58
The problem with.... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #65
Donald Trump, one degree removed from world's #1 mobster. No surprise there. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #4
Vladimir Putin, one degree removed from world's #1 mobster. No surprise there. Brother Buzz Nov 2017 #36
The richest man in the world & DT promised to help him access Alice11111 Nov 2017 #41
Revenge in hardwired into Putin's DNA Brother Buzz Nov 2017 #43
Thank you for taking the time to send the documentary. I watched Part 1 already. Hillary calling him Alice11111 Nov 2017 #49
The "most dangerous mobster in the world" explains the reason for Manafort's sudden appearance Vinca Nov 2017 #5
And why Trump would not utter a single word against Putin during the campaign or after. colorado_ufo Nov 2017 #20
It is said that Semion Mogilevich is Putin's boss. Wwcd Nov 2017 #6
Almost screams bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #8
The intelligence community published urgent warnings about Trump in 2016. yardwork Nov 2017 #14
I believe Hillary said this same thing onTrevor Noah last night Wwcd Nov 2017 #26
republican "allies" are in fact American enemies Achilleaze Nov 2017 #7
+1000 Duppers Nov 2017 #32
I recall the days when the worst we had to worry about was the MIC/Deep State Ford_Prefect Nov 2017 #11
Amazingly horrible. In a sane world, this info. would have lasting impact. Judi Lynn Nov 2017 #13
They will have to...as many of them are involved. C Moon Nov 2017 #29
And, the deplorables will never believe one bit of it. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #30
Manafort mobbed up Russian style workinclasszero Nov 2017 #15
"Trump's "businesses" exist mainly to launder Russian mob money." Merlot Nov 2017 #21
LOL workinclasszero Nov 2017 #23
As I posted here back in February, Trump buddy Felix Sater's father worked with Mogilevich, as highplainsdem Nov 2017 #17
Great info you posted there. 👍 Duppers Nov 2017 #33
That could knock out one of the initial RW talking points on the indictment FBaggins Nov 2017 #18
Likely you can also be napped for certain financial actions done for the purposes of avoiding IRS mr_lebowski Nov 2017 #38
The Secret Service needs to be diverted FoxNewsSucks Nov 2017 #19
Stay at the WH with an ankle braclet. Merlot Nov 2017 #22
Donald too if you look at this timeline: Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #24
👍 Duppers Nov 2017 #34
Cyprus? Please have a seat Mr. Ross... Grins Nov 2017 #25
Some of that was even discussed in hearings. Still Alice11111 Nov 2017 #54
Kick and Rec emulatorloo Nov 2017 #27
YESSSS!! ailsagirl Nov 2017 #40
Gee. Little motive to fire comey, when a top-10 fugitive owns your campaign manager..... lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #50
I want to see a link between Semion Mogilevich and Donald Trump SummerSnow Nov 2017 #55
If there are sex crimes, they're all going to the Graybar. Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #57
Posted something similar regarding Manafort earlier. He's a very bad dude. ffr Nov 2017 #59
Follow the money. FreeStateDemocrat Nov 2017 #67
Kick. sarcasmo Nov 2017 #68
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
9. Of course, the human trafficking story that broke, tying Trump Models
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 08:38 AM
Nov 2017

to international crime was quickly called fake news & those reporting on it were stalked & harassed into silence.

Damn right this is truth. International human trafficking of young women, many underage, lied to, sex slavery, & some murdered.
This was the dark underbelly of Trump Models & the Story of his ties in NY, Miami, & across the world broke to the public about the time of Epstein's s trial in Fl.

Those who began reporting the depth of Trump Models ties to money laundering & human trafficking pulled back & held onto their info for the time being.

There is a Lot to this story.



Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
10. This stuff will soon be front and center. It's part of what will ruin Trumpy,
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:10 AM
Nov 2017

who allegedly raped a young teen-aged girl when Trumpy was sleezing around with Epstein. There is also a suspicion that Trumpy and Epstein had another teen-aged girl murdered to keep her from whistleblowing.

We'll be popping champaign corks, however, when the US government, or the NY state AG, decides to forfeit Trumpy's assets as part of RICO proceedings. His kids will also be stripped of their assets. That will be the day... And it's coming.

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
60. Yes that seems to be Mueller's strategy
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 08:56 PM
Nov 2017

He's got enough documented proof to put them all in jail now. He's not really interested in impeachment, that's up to Congress.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
61. I just read that Mercer is to be indictedbon espionage.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:14 PM
Nov 2017

Now it is early twitter news, but I'm willingbto give it a chance.
And I really want this big one!

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
62. I didn't know Mueller is going after him too
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:16 PM
Nov 2017

How does that happen? I thought he was only looking at people in the Trump administration.

This could get very interesting. I hope he's going after & GETS Bannon too.



Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
39. There is a woman on here who has done substantial
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:57 PM
Nov 2017

Documented research pieces, and writen threads about this (rape of the girl, Epstein, it goes wide and deep ). The threads are by Gaby.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
42. I'd be interrested in comparing her research with others.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:13 PM
Nov 2017

The other person I read was harassed in typical RU troll fashion. Even went so far as to threaten to take her to court for defamation.

That was until the harasser was outed as a full blown RU troll. Complete with documentation & screen shots tracing her mulitple personas back to the original source of her foreign troll acct.
She went by the name Cassandra Fairbanks, & a couple alias names.
It was amazing how she had presented herself to be some voice of justice. Total bull shi*.

It was indeed a lesson for me as to how RU trolls do Putin's business & very telling as to what we were truly up against in 2016
Pretty messed up!

The threat of that defamation case was dropped as soon as she was outed.
This is how slick & aggressive RU trolls are. How far they go to disrupt & divide.
Which was & still is, exactly their purpose all along.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
45. Gaby was legit and linked articles going back years re
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:29 PM
Nov 2017

Epstein, Trump, the raped girl & others. She did several threads over a couple of years. Clearly, even though Epstein went to jail, there were others who bought people off. Plus, there was a lot more to Epstein than that with which he was charged .I told her once, she should submit an article to the New Yorker. I sort of got tbe feeling she needed to get away from it. I couldn't sleep well even after reading it. It was meticulously documented.

I have seen the trolls. Some are bots or EZ to figure out. Some are sophisticated, as you implied. They do intend to get people arguing.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
47. I am sure she knew details & wrote from experience.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:43 PM
Nov 2017

Whether she was victim of the game they played, or Intel on the inside, there had to be times when she easily could have dropped the story & moved on with her life against fear or threats.

That she told it all in detailed documentation as did Chris Steele, is truly a heroic choice & speaks to her genuine need to defend good over evil.
For her to do this I would believe that what went on in the world of Epstein, Trump, Manafort et al, had to be of unfathomable horror.

I will try to find some of her work.
Thank you Alice

volstork

(5,399 posts)
35. I firmly believe
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:15 PM
Nov 2017

that human trafficking is the "dirt" that putin has on trump. Pee tapes and paraphilia stories may have brought a politician down 30-40 years ago, but you can see that stuff on TV these days. Human trafficking is a different story all together; it is explosive and I believe is the linchpin that will bring trump down.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
44. Considering the mob & most organized crime's basic
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:24 PM
Nov 2017

3 money laundering m.o.'s is in the realm of prostitution/trafficking, drugs, & weapons, this area that's been so hushed doesn't surprise me.
In this case with Trump, all 3 are elevated to an extremely high level of a global crime syndicate.

Modeling agencies, opiods, Pharma & the drug distribution run amoke for years, and of course weapons sale unregulated on behalf of the NRA.

That's basically the 3 elemenst of criminal orgs from local gangs to the highest international level of the Trump Org.

It is not Mueller's first rodeo here, it is just the very top of the mob he's after.


Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
46. Really? Why? I believe, but don't really give a shit about pee
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:32 PM
Nov 2017

tapes. He has done so much worse than that.

Human trafficking though? He's a sociopath, but the risk doesn't balance the rewards.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
48. See Wwcd's reply above.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 04:13 PM
Nov 2017

He's reckless, careless, and a slave to his appetites, which have tended towards money, women, and power. If he could consolidate all of those into one enterprise, more's the better for him.

Wwcd enumerates the pieces of the puzzle, and it is my opinion that they all fit.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
56. Well stated & very true. No impulse control. I have read
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:37 PM
Nov 2017

It all. I don't know if the Repubs will ever believe their eyes or care, most of them.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
64. "I don't know if the Repubs will ever believe their eyes or care, most of them."
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:43 PM
Nov 2017

Therein lies the problem. However, I'm afraid (for the deeply unfortunate women and girls involved) that what we find out will be so horrific that most will be forced to pay attention. No question that there will still be those who will cry, "Fake news!"

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
66. I don't think the committed base would believe, no matter how much proof. I hope I am wrong!
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:03 PM
Nov 2017

Actually, some know it and pretend not to...look the other way.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
53. True Alice. It has nothing to do with pee tapes. That would be the mildest of filthy things done to
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:25 PM
Nov 2017

the women he sold as property.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
51. DT can't hold a candle to Putin in Intelligence, but I think he is more relatable, personable, for m
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:16 PM
Nov 2017

People, obviously. To most other people, he is a fraud, a phony, even to our allies, their leaders.

groundloop

(11,517 posts)
3. Manafort's link to organized crime: he worked for 45*
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:54 AM
Nov 2017

Hopefully before too long all the information will come out showing 45*s links to organized crime and we can get on with the business of impeaching him. It's just too damned much of a coincidence that so many of his associates are being linked to organize crime (and especially Russian organized crime) - he must certainly be linked as well.

SergeStorms

(19,190 posts)
65. The problem with....
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:30 AM
Nov 2017

associating yourself with gangsters of that caliber, is if you become a liability in any way, you're dead. Manafort, Trump, and the rest of the Trump cabal are becoming a liability to those people right now.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
4. Donald Trump, one degree removed from world's #1 mobster. No surprise there.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:55 AM
Nov 2017

Why do you suppose he ran for president? He can't stand not being #1.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
41. The richest man in the world & DT promised to help him access
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:09 PM
Nov 2017

Mo' Money, by rolling back sanctions. Putin must be pissed that DT can't deliver on that and other promises to him after he loaned him all that money and weighted the election for Donnie, his stooge.

We will see if Putin eventually unloads on DT, but maybe he understood that DT was trapped to help him, for a while. Putin doesn't strike me as the type to take excuses & forgive. He will patiently wait for his moment.

I wonder if this is why Manafort continued some activities after the microscope was already on him...he was trying to soothe Putin for all of them.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
49. Thank you for taking the time to send the documentary. I watched Part 1 already. Hillary calling him
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:10 PM
Nov 2017

out, I remember. This crushes all of the events to a more direct timeframe. I did not remember how direct she had been. Also, I didn't know that his own ballot stuffing, etc. had been filmed by so many people, so many different ways and places, then shown on TV and the internet to his own people. I'm surprised he in still in power after that, in spite of his brutality toward his opposition.
Then, the US elected DT when he bragged with own lips about assaulting and abusing women, in a tape shown thousands of times. Of course, Bill C was right in what he told Yeltsin, that Putin had no heart, as we saw more recently in Syria.

Very interesting.

Vinca

(50,249 posts)
5. The "most dangerous mobster in the world" explains the reason for Manafort's sudden appearance
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:56 AM
Nov 2017

as Trump's unpaid campaign manager. Do their bidding or have your kidneys removed with an ice cream scoop.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
6. It is said that Semion Mogilevich is Putin's boss.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 08:15 AM
Nov 2017

This is where our 5VEYS International Intel comes in. Creds to the US & our global allies who watch this crime syndicate make its moves throughout the world.

This is a fascinating story & tells us Mueller isn't stopping till he gets the head of the beast.

Great article

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
8. Almost screams
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 08:34 AM
Nov 2017

for Euro intelligence services to support/become involved in Mueller's work ... they've been quiet since about April of this year, though they did a lot of initial investigating

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
14. The intelligence community published urgent warnings about Trump in 2016.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:39 AM
Nov 2017

I have never seen such warnings - op ed pieces from former CIA directors, etc. warning people not to vote for Trump because of his involvement with Russian organized crime.

Unfortunately, millions of people who ought to have known better didn't listen.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
26. I believe Hillary said this same thing onTrevor Noah last night
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 12:19 PM
Nov 2017

She called out the media also.
Warnings about Trump were never ever mentioned.

She's freakin telling it all anymore.
As Sec State she knows more about the Putin /Trump ties than any of us.
And a lot she just can never say publicly.

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
11. I recall the days when the worst we had to worry about was the MIC/Deep State
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:19 AM
Nov 2017

making decisions about how our government is run...

Judi Lynn

(160,512 posts)
13. Amazingly horrible. In a sane world, this info. would have lasting impact.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:27 AM
Nov 2017

Right-wingers will find a way to dismiss it immediately.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Manafort mobbed up Russian style
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:48 AM
Nov 2017

Trump's "businesses" may exist mainly to launder Russian mob money.

Lets hope the trail leads to the Donfather so Mueller can shutdown the whole rotten edifice.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
18. That could knock out one of the initial RW talking points on the indictment
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 10:09 AM
Nov 2017

They question whether "money laundering" can possibly be proven... because the charge requires not just the hiding of funds by moving them around, but also that the source of funds be from illegal activity.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
38. Likely you can also be napped for certain financial actions done for the purposes of avoiding IRS
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:47 PM
Nov 2017

Taxes, fees, penalties, etc.

IOW it can also be rightly called 'money laundering' ... if you're doing it 'in support' of some other crime like tax evasion.

Even if the money was procured originally ... legally.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
19. The Secret Service needs to be diverted
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 10:14 AM
Nov 2017

from tRump Tower and all the golf trips and given the sole assignment of protecting Mueller and his team. Let the pussygrabber stay put in the White House for now.

Give the rest of the security to Mueller.

Grins

(7,203 posts)
25. Cyprus? Please have a seat Mr. Ross...
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 12:03 PM
Nov 2017

'Cuz 'yer next.

www.chicagobusiness.com/…

"It has long been suspected that Trump is involved in Russian money laundering, but I always assumed it was for the Russian Mafia and other unsavory types. But if what Quigley said is accurate, it’s quite possible Trump was laundering money for Putin and/or the Russian Government itself. Which of course, Putin could then use to blackmail Trump, because aiding in the violation of U.S. Sanctions is surely a serious crime.

Not to mention the suspicious fact that Trump’s hand-picked Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, was until recently the vice chairman of a bank...based in Cyprus. Hmmm wonder if he was involved..."


Anyone know if Ross has lawyered-up? Yet?

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
54. Some of that was even discussed in hearings. Still
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:34 PM
Nov 2017

Confirmed. What does that say about our leadership now?

lindysalsagal

(20,638 posts)
50. Gee. Little motive to fire comey, when a top-10 fugitive owns your campaign manager.....
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:15 PM
Nov 2017

But then, 45 always works with "10"'s, don't he?

Baitball Blogger

(46,697 posts)
57. If there are sex crimes, they're all going to the Graybar.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

If it's just financial, I'm guessing they'll plead the Wall Street defense.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
59. Posted something similar regarding Manafort earlier. He's a very bad dude.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:45 PM
Nov 2017
Manafort is not a good person. Just look at the evil he has sowed.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029784782

This is just going to get messier and messier as the snowflake snowball collects more and more people up in it.
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