Scientists discover hidden structure in Egypt's Great Pyramid

[sandensea]

Source: NBC News

Scientists using an imaging method based on cosmic rays have detected a large and enigmatic internal structure in the last of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World still standing, the massive Great Pyramid of Giza on the outskirts of Cairo.

Researchers announced the discovery on Thursday but said they did not know the purpose, contents or precise dimensions of what they are calling a “void” or “cavity” inside the pyramid, built as a monumental tomb around 2560 BC.

To peer inside the pyramid, the scientists used an imaging technique called muon tomography that tracks particles that bombard Earth at close to the speed of light and penetrate deeply into solid objects like X-rays.

They said the newly discovered internal structure was at least 100 feet long, and located above a hallway measuring about 155 feet long called the Grand Gallery, one of a series of passageways and chambers inside the immense pyramid.

The researchers said it constitutes the first major inner structure found in the Great Pyramid since the 19th century.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/scientists-discover-hidden-structure-egypt-s-great-pyramid-n816821

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[fleur-de-lisa]

1. Thanks! Very cool. NT

[sandensea]

7. Yer welcome.

[packman]

2. Ben Carson's wheat chambers

Damn, that guy IS a genuine genius

[sandensea]

8. Ha!

Thread winner!

[fleur-de-lisa]

13. Thread winner! NT

[Grins]

17. I was wondering who would be the first to call that out!

Beat me to it!

[riversedge]

23. good one.

[Roland99]

24. Not a grain of truth there!

[lagomorph777]

3. Wow cool!

At last, the UFO parking garage.

[sandensea]

11. Or, as Tesla tried to tell us:

Power plant chambers.

As you know, he believed they had electricity thousands of years before Ben Franklin rediscovered it. They probably did.

[lagomorph777]

15. Yep, electricity is not as new as we'd like to think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

http://csglobe.com/did-ancient-egypt-really-have-electricity/

[sandensea]

18. Amazing, isn't it.

But as we all know, greed won out in the end.

[LongTomH]

25. Sorry to bust your bubble (or your bulb); but, as Carl Sagan pointed out................

Now, about those walking mumies.......

[lagomorph777]

27. Yeah, I should have included the proper emoji...

It's all good fun.

However, I do think the Baghdad battery is legit; part of a commercial electroplating enterprise.

[lagomorph777]

21. It's hard to NOT see those images as light bulbs or vacuum tubes.

https://www.blindschalet.com/kba-glass-making-in-ancient-egypt-247.html

The first evidence of humans making glass appears during the 15th century BCE. Scientists once believed that glassmaking originated in Mesopotamia, but recent discoveries elsewhere are leading them to believe that Egypt may have been the place where glassmaking originated.

How Glass Was Made
Glass-making in Ancient Egypt began with quartz. Small pieces of the mineral would be finely crushed and mixed with plant ash. The quartz-ash mixture was then heated at fairly low temperatures in clay containers to roughly 750° C, until it formed a ball of molten material. This material, called faience, was then cooled, crushed, and mixed with coloring agents to make it red or blue. After coloring the glass would be funneled into a cylindrical container and heated a second time at a higher temperature. Once the container cooled it would be broken and the thick glass ingots that formed during the cooling process were removed.

Glass Factory
Scientists once believed that Egyptian glass was imported from Mesopotamia, but recent discoveries at a dig site in Qantir have revealed that instead of importing glass, Egypt exported it as early as 13 BCE. Archeological evidence at Qantir, site of the royal city of Pi-Ramesses, revealed that not only did Ancient Egyptians make their own glass they managed to master making red glass. Red glass was difficult to produce because the process required that the glass be fired in an environment without any oxygen to prevent the copper from oxidizing and turning blue. The glass at Pi-Ramesses was made into thick ingots, then shipped to artisans to be made into a variety of objects.

As Egypt expanded throughout the Mediterranean they encountered others cultures with their own glass-making techniques. It is believed that some of the artisans were brought back to Egypt as slaves, where their skills were used to make glass objects for royalty. Glass-making sites close to royal palaces like those at Malqata, Pi-Ramesses, and Lisht suggest that the process of making glass was kept a close royal secret.

[PatSeg]

33. Exactly

Why do so many people have a hard time believing that ancients had advanced technology? Building the pyramids alone should give us a clue that they were advanced.

[hack89]

35. The Pyramids are not evidence of advance technology

time and a lot of people go a long way when building large stone structures. There is no aspect of the pyramids that needs some presently unknown advanced technology.

[hack89]

39. RationalWiki would disagree with you.

There are depictions within the temple of Dendera, in the southern crypt, that show a figure holding a lotus, from which emits a snake surrounded by a "protective cocoon", held aloft by a Djed pillar. It is these reliefs that are the primary "evidence" presented by the lamp loonies. No archaeological or textual evidence for any kind of electrical device, or knowledge concerning electricity, has ever been recovered from ancient Egypt.

There are many problems with this device and its depiction. Firstly, the Dendera we see today isn't an Egyptian temple. It's a Greco-Roman building constructed to Egyptian principles of design, built between the 4th century BCE to early centuries CE.[4] As such, the figures depicted with the "lamp", would be existing in the classical, rather than ancient world. The classic writers make no mention of electricity in Egypt.

Secondly, the accompanying texts are fairly standard texts for the period, and make no mention of the scene being in any way related to lighting.

Thirdly, ancient rulers were inclined to brag. If the Greco-Roman occupiers of Egypt had electrical lighting, they would be sure to trumpet such an achievement somewhere more high profile than the basement of a provincial temple in a distant occupied land. This sort of thing would have the wow-factor you want want to be shown off at the Coliseum back in Rome, or the amphitheaters and libraries of the Hellenistic world. Such a device would be an object of huge prestige and the rulers of the classical world were every bit as aware of the importance of prestige as were the shy, modest and self-abasing Pharaohs whose rule they supplanted.

Finally, if lightbulbs existed in ancient Egypt, why the hell would they make it so damned big?

The second piece of "evidence" that is presented is the lack of soot inside surviving Egyptian structures. How could the Egyptians have seen their way to decorate or use these buildings, without leaving soot everywhere? Why, they used electric light, of course!

So the Egyptians really had a wondrous soot-free source of light? Kind of… castor oil. Mixed with salt, it can be used to provide a "clean" flame with minimal soot output. Castor oil was being cultivated and harvested in Egypt from the pre-Dynastic era onward.[7]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dendera_lamp

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. Zero arch. evidence of lightbulbs. But even more damning is zero evidence of wires.

If you have batteries you need wires. None have been found.

If you wire ten lemon juice jar batteries in series you can electroplate metal, but you need lots of wiring for that.

Plus the batteries have very low life so you have to make thousands of batteries, maybe millions if you are lighting inside pyramids for mammoth stone mega-projects.

It doesn't add up. Too many working parts needed and none in evidence.

[Corvo Bianco]

52. What about creating the vacuum?

I certainly don't know how to make a vacuum

[Metro135]

4. Could this be where they stored all that grain?

Wow, won't Ben Carson be gloating now.

[CountAllVotes]

5. Rehearsal chamber for the Grateful Dead no doubt

They knew, oh yeah!

[Mike Nelson]

6. Yay...

...no doubt it's Jesus' grain!

[sandensea]

9. Or as the ancient Egyptians themselves would call him:

Osiris.

[luvtheGWN]

26. Osiris -- born of the "Virgin" Isis,

and son of the proud Horus.

There now, that family is covered! Little did the family know it would be "resurrected" thousands of years later to become Jesus, son of Mary.....and Jehovah.

[sandensea]

28. Deep down, we're all little kids.

We love our fairy tales.

[Kaleva]

46. And the Apotles, who did live, were willing to die for a fairy tale.

[sandensea]

47. Christ was a great man who changed the history of mankind, don't get me wrong.

But was He divine, or in any other way outer-worldly? Probably not.

What He was, no doubt, was an incredibly intelligent, charismatic, and empathetic person with a deep understanding of what ailed humanity in his day and the courage to try to change it.

I don't blame anyone for seeing the divine in someone like that.

[Kaleva]

48. Thanks for a thought provoking reply!

[sandensea]

49. You're welcome.

It's certainly a thought-provoking subject.

[Nitram]

10. Looking forward to more information about this intriguing find. Some empty spaces were designed to

relieve pressure on the stone below. I walked up that Grand Gallery and in spite of my scientific training and skepticism of New Age malarky, I could feel the weight of the tons of stone all around me - and the thousands of years the structure had been standing.

[sandensea]

12. Wow. Kudos!

Definitely on my bucket list.

I'd like to think they might have been power plants. We'll probably never know.

[Nitram]

22. I thought seeing the pyramids would be anti-climactic since we've seen so many photos over the

years, but walking up into the Great Pyramid was an amazing experience.

[deurbano]

30. I didn't make it very far once I remembered I am claustrophobic.

Actually, it was my (now) husband who reminded me of my phobia by "helpfully" asking, "Isn't this making you feel claustrophobic?" (And suddenly it was!)

[PatSeg]

34. Oh my god

I hope you never let him forget asking that! I'm afraid that I would have probably responded the same way.

[Nitram]

40. That would be the worst place for the weight of claustrophobia to press down on you.

[Orrex]

14. I've been wondering whatever happened to Jaye Davidson

[Orrex]

38. He joined the Yakuza?

Holy shit, are those real? I saw a pic of him, but I ssumed that they were makeup for some film project.

Damn!

[melm00se]

16. OK so there is something there

now for the big question:

How do you get there so see what's there?

[PatSeg]

41. I remember a special on TV years ago

where they used robots to explore inside the Great Pyramid. It went on and on and on, in the end they discovered a rusty nail I think. It was about as revealing as Al Capone's safe.

But yes, it would probably be robots that we would use if it was possible.

[csziggy]

42. At one point a group was sending small robots through air shafts and such

In the Great Pyramid - a lot of the shafts were blocked but not completely closed. Maybe someday nano-robots could get in there?

[Bayard]

19. Excellent!

A great discovery. Even if it look's like the king's toilet, with the plumbing below.

[sandensea]

31. Good one!

And who's to say? That might just be what it was.

[orangecrush]

29. Interesting!

Thanks for posting this!

[sandensea]

32. De nada.

I must confess that as an '80s kid, I can't read stories like these without hearing this:

[spike jones]

44. Clearly...

It is the part of the tomb that contains the body of the Space Aliens’ Leader that built the pyramids

[petronius]

45. Also, and not many people realize this, but you can put your weed in there!

[Judi Lynn]

50. Cosmic rays have revealed a new chamber in Egypts Great Pyramid

2 November 2017



By Mika McKinnon

Cosmic rays may have just unveiled a hidden chamber within Egypt’s most famous pyramid.

An international team led by Kunihiro Morishima at Nagoya University in Japan used muons, the high-energy particles generated when cosmic rays collide with our atmosphere, to explore inside Egypt’s Great Pyramid without moving a stone.

Muons can penetrate deep into rock, and get absorbed at different rates depending on the density of the rock they encounter. By placing muon detectors within and around the pyramid, the team could see how much material the particles passed through.

“If there is more mass, fewer muons get to that detector,” says Christopher Morris at Los Alamos National Laboratory, who uses similar techniques to image the internal structure of nuclear reactors. “When there is less mass, more muons get to the detector.”

More:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2152224-cosmic-rays-have-revealed-a-new-chamber-in-egypts-great-pyramid/?cmpid=ILC|NSNS|2017_webpush&utm_medium=ILC&utm_source=NSNS&utm_campaign=webpush-pyramid

[Rollo]

51. If I put a dull razor blade in there, will it get sharper?

I'm old enough to remember that nonsense of the 70's... "Pyramid Power"...

[Blue_Tires]

53. Is it me, or did the Egyptians not make the best use of available interior space?