Michigan panel OKs concealed guns in schools

[Archae]

Source: WBAY, ABC affiliate in Green Bay, WI

A Michigan legislative committee has voted to let people with extra training carry guns inside churches, schools and other places now off limits.

The bills were approved Tuesday, two days after a gunman killed 26 people at a Texas church. The full Senate plans to vote as early as Wednesday. Republican Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed legislation in 2012 that would have allowed concealed pistol license holders with additional training to carry in gun-free zones.

Proponents say the zones are a "target-rich environment" for mass shooters. Critics say authorizing guns in the areas would make those places less safe.


Read more: http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Michigan-panel-OKs-concealed-guns-in-schools-455919233.html

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Ye gawds...

[mobeau69]

1. What could possibly go wrong?

[LisaM]

2. Wow, great timing.

My father taught in Michigan public schools his whole career. I'm glad he's retired.

[rurallib]

3. may I say fucking brilliant?

[turbinetree]

4. WHY?

EXTRA TRAINING

[bucolic_frolic]

5. They can't have a war

it would destroy the planet

so they have this controlled cultural war of attrition

please note that both are about profits

so the game hasn't really changed at all

[doc03]

6. What else are we supposed to do when our government

won't pass any laws to protect us? We are going to have to take matters into our own hands
or get killed. What else can we do? I am sick of it myself, every time you go out in public you have to
look for an escape route in case a shooter opens up. I am going to start carrying a weapon myself since I can't
rely on our laws.

[SFnomad]

7. Texas churches are NOT "gun-free" zones

Churches, like any other business in Texas, must post appropriate 30.06/30.07 signs to ban guns from their premises. If they don't, guns are NOT banned. I do not know if this particular church had the appropriate signage or not.

[billh58]

8. Great. Now Kevin, the $13.95/hour

security guard can play fantasy games in school or church with a real gun and kill as many innocent bystanders as possible during the allotted "active shooter" playing time.

[Hangingon]

14. That does not seem to be the record.

[billh58]

20. Because there is no record?

Turning gun-free zones into free-fire zones just may have unintended consequences.

[Hangingon]

21. If a rent a cop killed innocent it would be in the news. There is a would be arecord.

[billh58]

23. I'm referring specifically to

changing gun free zones (which were established for a reason) to free fire zones. YMMV...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/shootings-by-security-guards-rarely-reported-let-alone-investigated/

[Hangingon]

24. Yep. My mileage varies.

What an underwhelming article.

[billh58]

27. I just recognized your screen name and

now it all makes sense. Have a wonderful day Bubba.

[Hangingon]

33. Recognized your screen name too

Surprised you were out in the daylight

[BlueIdaho]

9. Great...

More guns equals more bullets flying around the room finding more unintended targets. This was the final issue that made me decide to retire from teaching...

[BootinUp]

10. When can we bring r guns into the Capitol?

I bet those legislators won't go for it. Sad.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

28. Michigan State Capitol Building

Guns are good to go. There is a yearly gun rights rally on Capitol grounds, most open carry assault rifles and pistols in and around the building.

[link:http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/bring_your_guns_leave_your_sig.html|

Ironically, no protest signs allowed inside.

Also, as current Michigan law stands, people with CPL's can legally open carry inside schools and the other Gun free zones.

[Doreen]

11. When they say schools what grades are they talking about and what ages?

If a 7 year old has had the "extra" training does that mean they get to take their gun to school? Do all of the hormone pumped teenagers get to take guns to school now? Talk about giving bullies a whole hell of a lot more power. Then there is the bullied who are legally able to bring a gun to blow away anyone who happens to give them the wrong look that day. Nothing like an angry child grabbing the gun off of teacher and blowing classmates and teacher away.

[ManiacJoe]

13. 21+ adults. Staff and parents.

Before the "extra training" earned, the gun owner must first have a concealed carry permit (by whatever name that state uses) having passed all the background checks and training requirements for it.

[Doreen]

15. Do they get training to know how to keep someone from grabbing the gun

away from them? Just because it is so called concealed does not mean someone can get to it. As I said, I just see the possibility of some angry child of any age getting hold of it.

[ManiacJoe]

30. You would need to ask that question to the trainer of the class.

That said, if the gun is properly concealed, you would normally be in hand-to-hand combat already for someone else to grab it.

[Doreen]

32. Yeah, but children are quick and small and if you have several

surrounding you bouncing all over it is a possibility for them to get it. When you have a whole bunch of cute children around you doing that the last thing on your mind is combat and it also could not have anything to do with an angry child but just curiosity.

[ManiacJoe]

35. Different holsters are available for different situations.

If there is no holster suitable for your situation, you may need to rethink the carrying of a gun in that situation.
This is a very common problem for women given the fashion choices (or lack there of).

[maxsolomon]

16. I graduated in 1981

I remember a security guard getting fired for having a gun in his trunk and showing it to students.

Times, they are a-changin'.

[Kaleva]

18. I remember when kids could bring guns to school during bird and deer season.

[maxsolomon]

19. not in downtown Cincinnati you don't!

it was a tough ghetto back then.

[ManiacJoe]

31. We did that all the time in my high school.

All the guns were lined up against one of the walls in the school office.

[MosheFeingold]

22. I remember riflery being a required class in school.

In NYC, for boys only. Girls had home economics.

Of course, this was prior to WWII.

(No, I am not suggesting this is a good idea. Just that it is difficult to compare events from different eras.)

[jmowreader]

25. In 1970s Idaho, it was a required class for all students

They called it Hunter Safety, it was only three days long, and unless your parents opted you out of it, you went.

[Kaleva]

17. Michigan carry laws are screwy

While it may be unlawful to carry a concealed gun in certain premises, it is legal for a CPL holder to open carry in the same.

[MontanaMama]

26. What could go wrong?

[Cold War Spook]

29. People used to worry about overpopulation.

Now they are worried about everyone carrying a gun. I think that the latter will take care of the former.

[Blue_Tires]

34. Yeah, this will have a happy ending...

and I'm sure any "extra training" will be rubber-stamped