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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:37 PM Nov 2017

Trump Thinks Scientology Should Have Tax Exemption Revoked, Longtime Aide Says

Source: HuffPost



11/09/2017 07:00 pm ET Updated 8 minutes ago

Lynne Patton told an actress the Trump family “couldn’t agree more” that the church shouldn’t be exempt.

By Yashar Ali

President Donald Trump believes the Church of Scientology should have its tax exemption revoked, a longtime family aide and current top official at the Department of Housing and Urban Development told an actress and producer in May.

In an unsolicited Twitter message, Lynne Patton, who has worked for the Trump family since 2009, told actress Leah Remini of Trump’s position and said she would interface with the IRS directly to seek more information in an effort to initiate revocation. Remini sent HuffPost copies of Patton’s messages and has declined to comment further.

It’s not clear if Patton ever communicated with the IRS. But if Trump did express an opinion on the church and Patton did contact the IRS about it, as her message suggests, that would be a highly inappropriate level of interference with the IRS by the administration, one expert said.

“For the White House or any administration official to try and influence who the IRS targets, for whatever reason, is wrong and could result in a violation of the law,” said Larry Noble, the former general counsel of the Federal Election Commission who is now a senior director of ethics and general counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. “The IRS must make these decisions independently without any influence by the White House or administration officials.”


Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-scientology-tax-exemption_us_5a04dd35e4b05673aa584cab?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004



First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Trump Thinks Scientology Should Have Tax Exemption Revoked, Longtime Aide Says (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
I couldn't agree more tymorial Nov 2017 #1
The church of Scientology harassed, on a personal basis, Ilsa Nov 2017 #2
A stopped clock... n/t TygrBright Nov 2017 #3
A stopped clock is right twice a day. spike jones Nov 2017 #11
A longtime aide of a stopped clock... he didn't have the guts to say it publicly. meadowlander Nov 2017 #40
Yep. paleotn Nov 2017 #18
Pigs are Flying! moreland01 Nov 2017 #4
The world has turned upside down flyingfysh Nov 2017 #5
The "trump family" is now setting tax policy? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #6
"No honor among thieves..." Rollo Nov 2017 #34
Looks like we agree on something, at least. nt Codeine Nov 2017 #7
I agree. Kaleva Nov 2017 #8
Why stop there? There are a lot more bogus churches out there. I'd start with The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #9
Rev. Dr. Mike Murdoch. nt NCjack Nov 2017 #26
That would be a good start. spike jones Nov 2017 #10
Point is ... Scientology isn't a church, it's not a religion FakeNoose Nov 2017 #15
No they dont. spike jones Nov 2017 #19
+1 mdbl Nov 2017 #43
+1000. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #47
Religion should be taxed. rockfordfile Nov 2017 #30
LOL Skittles Nov 2017 #37
Precedent! What church(es) would be next? keithbvadu2 Nov 2017 #12
Or rather, cult. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #41
Boy it's a slippery slope isn't it. What would constitute a trump approved church??? dembotoz Nov 2017 #45
Ugh, I agree with tRump? But don't stop at just Scientology ... bsiebs Nov 2017 #13
Revoking Tax Exemption Isn't Enough Leith Nov 2017 #14
This is the first time I agree with the Trumpster katmondoo Nov 2017 #16
That's bullshit. David__77 Nov 2017 #17
Sorry, no. Scientology is bullshit. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #24
Correct. Does not deserve a tax exemption. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #29
Exactly! All you have to do is pay $235,000 and the spirt of Tom Cruise snooper2 Nov 2017 #46
The only thing I agree with Trump on? Dopers_Greed Nov 2017 #20
So a fake pResident can spot a fake church... paleotn Nov 2017 #21
Trump Making Sense on Something? Loyd Nov 2017 #22
I agree with him there AnnieBW Nov 2017 #23
I feel weird. snort Nov 2017 #25
Wait and see how fast he walks that back! n/t brewens Nov 2017 #27
Good! Get Scientology & tRump fighting! That'll keep em both distracted. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #28
But fake Christian churches will be able to endorse candidates and keep tax cuts?? Roland99 Nov 2017 #31
Fine but don't stop with Scientology! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2017 #32
No......... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #33
In Trump's world, there is only one true God: Donald J. Trump Rollo Nov 2017 #35
I'm no fan of Scientology, but this is an abuse of power, and Trump won't stop there. Eugene Nov 2017 #36
Scientology is a pyramid scheme and a cult. meadowlander Nov 2017 #39
Collecting taxes on that multi-million dollar fraudfest would pay for a lot of healthcare. Marie Marie Nov 2017 #38
I'd like to see his justification for revoking the cult's tax exemption jmowreader Nov 2017 #42
Amendment I spike jones Nov 2017 #48
After they kill the Johnson Amendment HAB911 Nov 2017 #44
all churches should lose their tax exemption, in my opinion. olddad56 Nov 2017 #49

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
1. I couldn't agree more
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017

Not to mention compensation for all the women who were forced to have abortions, back pay for all of those who were forced into slave labor, immediate refund of all donations without persistent smear campaigns and harassment. They have a billion tax free dollars in their coffers. They can afford it.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
2. The church of Scientology harassed, on a personal basis,
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017

IRS agents, suing them, all the way up the IRS ladder, and hassled them personally until they caved and gave them tax exempt status.

If they are a church, Lucifer is their diety.

spike jones

(1,678 posts)
11. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:02 PM
Nov 2017

BTW Off topic and as a measure of “Military Intelligence,” the military 24 hour clock is right only once a day.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
5. The world has turned upside down
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:50 PM
Nov 2017

I finally agree with Trump about something. It feels very weird. (Scientology threatened to sue me twice)

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
6. The "trump family" is now setting tax policy?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:51 PM
Nov 2017

Here's the motive:

Scientology is a rival con. They're conning the rubes out of money that the Trump family wants for itself.

There's nothing aboveboard about the position that the family is taking. They're motivated by greed, pure and simple.

There's room for only one family of grifters in this country.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
15. Point is ... Scientology isn't a church, it's not a religion
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:16 PM
Nov 2017

It's all as phony-fake as Trump's hairdo. It's all for show and to make certain people rich and powerful.

Real churches and religions do deserve their tax exemption.

spike jones

(1,678 posts)
19. No they dont.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:37 PM
Nov 2017

Religion is a cancer on human society. They are "all for show and to make certain people rich and powerful."
And the Christian religion is in the process of destroying democracy in this country. But you are right about Scientology.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
47. +1000.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 02:35 PM
Nov 2017

Sorry, but when I get a random long pamphlet "voting guide" sent out by a Catholic church espousing ultra right-wing anti-choice garbage (heavily criticizing Democratic principles), your tax exemption needs to go BUH-BYE.

Lots of hatred, humiliation and patriarchal submission is learned in the churches. It's no wonder corporate America has teamed hand in hand with them to dictate the United State's political narratives.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
12. Precedent! What church(es) would be next?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:04 PM
Nov 2017

Precedent! What church(es) would be next?

I'm no fan of Scientology.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?no-ist=;

Madison also made a point that any believer of any religion should understand: that the government sanction of a religion was, in essence, a threat to religion. "Who does not see," he wrote, "that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" Madison was writing from his memory of Baptist ministers being arrested in his native Virginia.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
14. Revoking Tax Exemption Isn't Enough
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:05 PM
Nov 2017

That "church" needs some of their higher-ups prosecuted and jailed.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
17. That's bullshit.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:32 PM
Nov 2017

Scientology is not a monotheistic religion like Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. That doesn't mean that it doesn't address the spiritual domain.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
24. Sorry, no. Scientology is bullshit.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:00 PM
Nov 2017

It's only purpose, as stated by it's hideous founder(and crap author) is to extract money from the suckers.

Well, actually that's the purpose of all religions and 'spiritual' gurus.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
46. Exactly! All you have to do is pay $235,000 and the spirt of Tom Cruise
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 11:12 AM
Nov 2017

Will give you a single smack on the ass

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
21. So a fake pResident can spot a fake church...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:38 PM
Nov 2017

I'll give him that, but I suppose it takes one to know one.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
33. No.........
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM
Nov 2017

you mean there's an issue on which I agree with....................Donald Fucking Trump!

I feel so............unclean.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
39. Scientology is a pyramid scheme and a cult.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 02:58 AM
Nov 2017

The government isn't abusing it's power when it refuses to give tax exemptions to corrupt organisations that brainwash and kidnap people and steal all of their money.

If you do nothing else in response to this story, please watch "Going Clear" and then reconsider your take.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
38. Collecting taxes on that multi-million dollar fraudfest would pay for a lot of healthcare.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:41 AM
Nov 2017

But of course, we KNOW that that is not where this influx of cash would go. Still, a girl can dream...

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
42. I'd like to see his justification for revoking the cult's tax exemption
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 04:35 AM
Nov 2017

Could this be a test run? I hate to use the "there are only two kinds of people" gambit, but there are only two kinds of people who know what Scientology is: Scientologists, and people who hate Scientology. (Almost everyone here is in the latter group. The rest of us wonder what Scientology is.)

There is a nonzero chance Trump wants to revoke tax exemption for churches that don't fit into the approved "hard right Judeo-Christian" category - the big one being Islam. To test the waters, they found America's most hated church. He would probably love to start by revoking Muslim churches' tax status, but if he started out there people would see this for what it is.

Put me in the "ah hell no!" category. The relatively small amount of money we could recoup by taking away the Scientologists' 501(c)(3) pales next to the amount of damage a dangerous president could do.

spike jones

(1,678 posts)
48. Amendment I
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 07:06 PM
Nov 2017

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …….”

One way to establish something is to finance it. Making laws that exempt churches from tax is like putting money in their bank account. That seems to be unconstitutional, but it does give every taxpayer the right to have a voice in how the churches are operated.
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