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AlphaCentauri

(6,460 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 01:23 AM Aug 2012

Drug caravan to visit more than 20 US cities

Source: Miami Herald

A coalition calling for an end to the war on drugs began its monthlong campaign Sunday in San Diego that will take it to more than 20 U.S. cities.

More than 200 people gathered at a park on the U.S.-Mexico border as part of a movement known as the "Caravan for Peace with Justice and Dignity" that includes nearly 100 organizations.
The effort is led by Mexican peace activist Javier Sicilia, whose son was killed by drug gang members last year. Sicilia and others want to draw attention to what they say are misguided anti-drug policies in both the U.S. and Mexico. They estimate that tens of thousands of lives in Mexico have been lost because of the war on drugs.
"We will travel across the United States to raise awareness of the unbearable pain and loss caused by the drug war - and of the enormous shared responsibility for protecting families and communities in both our countries," Sicilia said.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/12/2949152/drug-caravan-to-visit-more-than.html

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Drug caravan to visit more than 20 US cities (Original Post) AlphaCentauri Aug 2012 OP
recalibrate DJFrey Aug 2012 #1
The Mexicans are tired of paying in blood for our drug prohibition. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #2
They never will change the policy. Archae Aug 2012 #3
About the only thing Paul says that makes sense is the drug stuff. MADem Aug 2012 #4
I disagree. Like LGBT equality, it is changing, and maybe faster than is readily apparent. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #6
I'm guessing there are a lot of pols taking campaign $ from drug kingpins, too wordpix Aug 2012 #9
Oh, I don't know about that. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #12
Catch the caravan here: dreamnightwind Aug 2012 #5
20 City Drug Caravan? ...In my day, that was known as "dead tour" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #7
lol, i remember when friends & i drove Phil Lesch to his hotel after the concert wordpix Aug 2012 #11
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #8
This is a great idea! Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #10
looking forward to joining them in my city wordpix Aug 2012 #13
We'll meet & greet them in El Paso duhneece Aug 2012 #14
I personally dont think illegal drugs should be legalized darkangel218 Aug 2012 #15
Legalized and Regulated are two different things Socal31 Aug 2012 #16
Im sorry, but i dont see how making cocaine accesible darkangel218 Aug 2012 #17
I guess you didn't get the gist of my post Socal31 Aug 2012 #19
Thats corect darkangel218 Aug 2012 #20
Actually, Portugal abolished all criminal penalties Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #18
 

DJFrey

(19 posts)
1. recalibrate
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 01:55 AM
Aug 2012

Everyone with common sense knows that pot is not a problem in our society. It should be legalized, taxed, and the revenue focused upon treating those with serious drug issues - meth; heroin; coke. If the treatment fails and the individual chooses to destroy him/her/self, then do not pass go.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
2. The Mexicans are tired of paying in blood for our drug prohibition.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:16 AM
Aug 2012

More than 50,000 killed in the six years of Calderon's drug war.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
3. They never will change the policy.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:24 AM
Aug 2012

Why? Simple.

No politician will want to get the label "soft on drugs."

I'm afraid that's how it's always going to be.

Ron Paul is looked at as a nutcase only for his anti-drug war view.
(He's an asshole for other reasons, but that's not the topic here.)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. About the only thing Paul says that makes sense is the drug stuff.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:34 AM
Aug 2012

It's all that White Citizens Brigade shit that puts him in woowoo land....plus the fact that he lies about shit like dead babies in trashcans...and he has a nutjob for a son.

http://newsone.com/1758875/ron-pauls-white-supremacist-radio-connections/

http://www.thefrisky.com/2011-12-31/pro-lifers-spank-ron-paul-for-not-rescuing-aborted-fetus-from-trash-can/

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. I disagree. Like LGBT equality, it is changing, and maybe faster than is readily apparent.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:43 AM
Aug 2012

The old days it was "no politician wants to be seen as soft on drugs".

But that is rapidly transitioning to "no politician wants to justify spending $60 billion a year to fight the smoking of a plant that 2/3 of America- including they, themselves- have smoked recreationally at some point or another."

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
9. I'm guessing there are a lot of pols taking campaign $ from drug kingpins, too
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:40 AM
Aug 2012

Of course, the $$$ is no doubt laundered with lots of soap and bleach.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
12. Oh, I don't know about that.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:29 PM
Aug 2012

What about states with high Hispanic populations such as California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona (off the top of my head)? There could be a pretty good blowback against the hook-em, book-em and cook-em anti-drug politicians.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. 20 City Drug Caravan? ...In my day, that was known as "dead tour"
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:52 AM
Aug 2012


Seriously, though, the drug war is a failed joke. Time to start doing things differently.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
11. lol, i remember when friends & i drove Phil Lesch to his hotel after the concert
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:28 PM
Aug 2012
in a VW bus, no less. Those were the days, weren't they? Even then, I knew the drug war was a failure, esp. the war on marijuana.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
10. This is a great idea!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:25 PM
Aug 2012

This is the first time I've seen tying the cartel-related murders in Mexico with the War on Drugs in the U.S. and Mexico (spurned on by the U.S.) on this scale. It also ties in neatly with the fact that minorities are at a higher risk of incarceration for pot and illegal drugs.

This really expands the advocacy pool here in the U.S. and Mexico.

There are some really interesting possibilities here. Thanks for posting.

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
14. We'll meet & greet them in El Paso
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:45 PM
Aug 2012

I believe we are closer to the tipping point with every method used to raise awareness of the failed prohibition policy.

Thanks for posting.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
15. I personally dont think illegal drugs should be legalized
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

Marijuana, maybe ( never tried it ), but no way to all the other heavy duty crap. Imagine a society high on cocaine or heroine! Eww no.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
16. Legalized and Regulated are two different things
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 02:19 AM
Aug 2012

Do some research into why certain compounds are illegal as opposed to others, it has nothing to do with health and safety.

People already access those chemicals if they want them. If you believe there are millions of Americans just waiting get their hands on some store-bought meth and opiates, you are dead wrong.

Those people are either getting them on the street, or via their MD. (Adderall, desoxyn, and all opiate pain killers).


All decriminalization would do would raise tax money, and push out the Al Capone's of our era.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
17. Im sorry, but i dont see how making cocaine accesible
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:07 AM
Aug 2012

Will help our society. Next time someone is.going through one of those shitty moments, they will snort coke or inject heroin rather than downing a few drinks in a bar. HUGE difference and terible outcome.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
19. I guess you didn't get the gist of my post
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:57 AM
Aug 2012

If a person wanted to seek out cocaine, they could get it already. And it is cut with who-knows-what, which is even worse.

Just like people were drinking anything the could during prohibition, the public now puts any amount of unknown adulterants up their nose.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
20. Thats corect
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:40 PM
Aug 2012

However, making it so available will entice A LOT more people to use it. And that's a good enough reason to not make it legal.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
18. Actually, Portugal abolished all criminal penalties
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:44 AM
Aug 2012

for personal possession of drugs in 2001. Instead, they offered treatment for those who requested it. People were far more likely to seek help for their addiction as they were no longer under the threat of criminal penalty. The result was exactly the opposite of what you assert -- less addicts and more people seeking treatment.

You can read it for yourself here:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

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