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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:51 PM Aug 2012

Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant

Source: Talking Points Memo

Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant

Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

Akin said that even in the worst-case scenario — when the supposed natural protections against unwanted pregnancy fail — abortion should still not be a legal option for the rape victim.

“Let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work, or something,” Akin said. “I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”

Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php?ref=fpa

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Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant (Original Post) kpete Aug 2012 OP
OMG! The STYOO-PID of some people........It boggles the mind! TheDebbieDee Aug 2012 #1
and the polling seems to show that he will be.... rfranklin Aug 2012 #5
Then McCaskill should take a really hard look at her staff and start replacing people INdemo Aug 2012 #39
Time to tell the women of Missouri about Mr. Akin Botany Aug 2012 #40
He is just creepy looking. SoapBox Aug 2012 #43
Well atreides1 Aug 2012 #68
Missouri has got 'em Botany Aug 2012 #81
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #98
My gosh, I have witnessed the "dumbing down" of Americans dotymed Aug 2012 #139
Yeah, but those polls were taken before this remark was made nxylas Aug 2012 #129
Well, Inhofe and DeMint are already senators Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #29
some facebook comments roguevalley Aug 2012 #125
WTH? Is this guy now a doctor, too? Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #2
‘Legitimate Rape’ SoapBox Aug 2012 #24
Local news is running with it. xmas74 Aug 2012 #121
"Legitimate Rape" is DogWhistle for "Women lie about rape" BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2012 #141
'juices don't flow" bluemarkers Aug 2012 #74
OK, that kind of stuff Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #118
That's an old lie promoted by the same old people. yardwork Aug 2012 #3
Like you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex... rfranklin Aug 2012 #6
That old myth is harmful, but the one about rape is much worse. yardwork Aug 2012 #9
What rock did they find him under? snot Aug 2012 #4
I think this idiot needs a biology lesson canuckledragger Aug 2012 #7
That scene in "Deliverance" comes to mind truedelphi Aug 2012 #12
I think it was too brutal... rfranklin Aug 2012 #14
I don't think it would help... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #94
Republicans have rejected the legitimacy of the biological sciences, tclambert Aug 2012 #130
What the hell Third Doctor Aug 2012 #8
"legit"? Prob. Akins thinks it is not date rape, not spousal rape, & only violent stranger rape. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #120
Basic human physiology FAIL. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #10
I would like to know the name of the doctor(s) who told him about this 'shut-down' thing... Tikki Aug 2012 #11
Agreed. This needs to be hit hard. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #122
Astounding alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #13
and republicans wonder why they have trouble getting the female vote? Botany Aug 2012 #15
OK, so maybe it wasn't a real doctor... ThoughtCriminal Aug 2012 #16
a classic case of "a little learning is a dang'rous thing": unblock Aug 2012 #17
My wife and I got pregnant the 1st time for all 3 kids TrogL Aug 2012 #105
nice aim! unblock Aug 2012 #124
wonder PatrynXX Aug 2012 #18
I remember reading that Jessie Helms believed that a woman could not get pregnant unless djean111 Aug 2012 #19
...and non-witches SINK when tossed into water...witches came to the top of the water. SoapBox Aug 2012 #21
... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #101
Love the Fetus...Hate the Child SoapBox Aug 2012 #20
You forgot... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #96
Opps...my mistake SoapBox Aug 2012 #103
How does he survive from day to day being that stupid? Solly Mack Aug 2012 #22
These men hate women. efhmc Aug 2012 #23
All I can say, NOLALady Aug 2012 #25
Maybe the Senator they deserve, but........ mrmpa Aug 2012 #60
And the rest of us? RC Aug 2012 #97
And in a perfect world...those that voted for him would be the only ones to suffer from his SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #106
I agree with you to a point. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #123
You know, every time I think repukes can't get even more disgusting, Zoeisright Aug 2012 #26
That darned ol' illegitimate rape will get a women every time. For God's sake, how in the hell AlinPA Aug 2012 #27
That's what amazes me - did this guy even graduate from High School? smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #100
How can you be so stupid and misinformed and make it to that level? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #138
Rapepublicans. truthisfreedom Aug 2012 #28
Why the fuck isn't this story in national haedlines today? n/t SpankMe Aug 2012 #30
I have looked around...it is in the headlines..as of 7pm eastern..Sunday.. Stuart G Aug 2012 #111
I am the product of rape. Nice to know I don't exist. citizen blues Aug 2012 #31
pay no attention to that guy... handmade34 Aug 2012 #82
This calls for 101,000 banghead smilies XemaSab Aug 2012 #32
What about when 3D did it ? dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #33
OMG there are so many stoopid people, no wonder the repukes took the House wordpix Aug 2012 #35
I know you are kidding but: Snope says NO TalkingDog Aug 2012 #42
Never occured to me to Snope it. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #45
LOL Skittles Aug 2012 #127
I can't believe that guy has enough brains to breathe Kali Aug 2012 #34
o...m...g DonRedwood Aug 2012 #36
I suppose we should be thankful ... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #37
Holy Cow !!!!!!! elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author allan01 Aug 2012 #41
So if its rape, and a baby is conceived, it is deemed an "illegitimate rape?" spike91nz Aug 2012 #44
Todd also apparently believes that a woman can't get pregnant unless she has a climax in the process RC Aug 2012 #102
Hello Washington Post Botany Aug 2012 #46
Explaining his no-exceptions policy on abortions, Akin was asked why he opposes abortion even when." SoapBox Aug 2012 #47
AKIN soulardbill Aug 2012 #48
On this board I think you'll find drm604 Aug 2012 #63
Are these people stupid? plethoro Aug 2012 #49
The Republican party has undergone a coup executed by the John Birch Society. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #50
What the hell is legitimate about rape? I'm glad that idiot is not a biology teacher. appleannie1 Aug 2012 #51
Attitudes like this comes from people avebury Aug 2012 #52
How does this idiot remember to breathe? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #52
I understand being opposed to abortion Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #54
Someone needs to get hit by a "clue-by-four." sakabatou Aug 2012 #55
The GOP is sooooooooo out of touch SmittynMo Aug 2012 #56
It's time to make these bastards produce proof. I'm sick of their bullshit claims. nolabear Aug 2012 #57
'Let's assume,' this prick has a working brain. But that'd make an ass out of both of us. No sale! freshwest Aug 2012 #58
This is what happens when someone believes the world works the way they believe... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #59
Allow me to among the first to congratulate Clair McCaskill on her re-election! rocktivity Aug 2012 #61
I wish I could share your optimism. drm604 Aug 2012 #66
As terrible as it sounds.... RandySF Aug 2012 #62
Un-fucking-believable - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #64
Update: Here is Claire McCaskill's response Tx4obama Aug 2012 #65
What the hell is "legitimate rape"? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #67
The mind wobbles. mysuzuki2 Aug 2012 #69
Since Logic, Science, Reason, and Human Decency aren't relevent Odd Won Out Aug 2012 #70
Absolutely Jaw-Dropping bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #71
That makes it very clear to see ... surrealAmerican Aug 2012 #72
sinking lower than that slimy space beneath the rock rizlaplus Aug 2012 #73
What an asswipe!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2012 #75
Claire needs to make this a political add and run it around the clock. muntrv Aug 2012 #76
Rip open a women's legs, and ram that flagstaff into that womb. krispos42 Aug 2012 #77
And what kind of doctor, pray tell, enlightened the esteemed nominee with this crock of shit? Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #78
Who are these "doctors"??? PatSeg Aug 2012 #79
McCaskill needs to fight dirty. randome Aug 2012 #80
New Update: Another response from Senator Claire McCaskill Tx4obama Aug 2012 #83
That's what I mean. A fucking wordy response does not really help. randome Aug 2012 #88
What the hell do you expect her to do on a Sunday, give her a bit of time. She won't let it drop. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #92
Let the deadline pass for him to get out of the race in a day or two. Coyotl Aug 2012 #133
No need to get in front of a runaway train. Ellipsis Aug 2012 #112
Todd needs a canoe trip down the MO river, so he can learn what rape feels like. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #84
Update - Akin On ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comment: ‘I Misspoke’ Tx4obama Aug 2012 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author Botany Aug 2012 #87
Problem is, that isn't just a gaffe. caseymoz Aug 2012 #90
too late....any woman who votes for this asshole...is an idiot..nt Stuart G Aug 2012 #99
Dang! SoapBox Aug 2012 #104
The last word says it all Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #117
I'm so sick of the get-out-of-jail "I-mispoke" free card. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #137
Retroactively abort the rapist, maybe? caseymoz Aug 2012 #86
Why do I hear banjos when I see him? underpants Aug 2012 #89
............. Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #91
Jesus on a pogo stick... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #93
We have a winner---make that a LOSER in the genetic race. You can't make someone this dumb McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #95
if McCaskill's people Dustin DeWinde Aug 2012 #107
Article: How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape Tx4obama Aug 2012 #108
Interesting article and doesn't surprise me in the least - TBF Aug 2012 #131
This clown hasn't dropped out yet? Thrill Aug 2012 #109
On googles top stories he's number two btween Assange and Syrian President Bashar al-Assa Ellipsis Aug 2012 #110
This is a popular right wing myth. thucythucy Aug 2012 #113
You can't fix stupid PD Turk Aug 2012 #114
When this idiot wins in a landslide in November, Doctor_J Aug 2012 #115
Your apology thread will be sought in two days when he is out of the race. Coyotl Aug 2012 #126
Where do The Last Democrat Aug 2012 #116
Akin’s claim is not uncommon in conservative circles jsr Aug 2012 #119
my questions to him would have to be SemperEadem Aug 2012 #128
NPR. Bless their little hearts. Sanddancer Aug 2012 #132
Saw it on Yahoo 12zelda12 Aug 2012 #134
"legitimate rape" ?????? emald Aug 2012 #135
No words. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #136
Unbelievable oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #140
Is this guy really that stupid? Marthe48 Aug 2012 #142
Who is Supporting Rapists? MountainS Aug 2012 #143
I'm still trying to get past the complete ignorance of human biology Marthe48 Aug 2012 #146
New Law (10 feet away) MountainS Aug 2012 #144
huh? Kali Aug 2012 #145
 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
1. OMG! The STYOO-PID of some people........It boggles the mind!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:56 PM
Aug 2012

And this moron wants to be a Senator.............

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
5. and the polling seems to show that he will be....
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

The PollTracker Average shows Akin leading McCaskill by a margin of 49.7 percent to 41.3 percent.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
39. Then McCaskill should take a really hard look at her staff and start replacing people
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:44 PM
Aug 2012

right down to her campaign manager...Now ..This guy is like a ...............

Botany

(70,483 posts)
40. Time to tell the women of Missouri about Mr. Akin
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
Aug 2012

.... because this should peal away a # of female voters but Missouri
has # of fundy female voters.




How soon till we get a "I am sorry if somebody was offended by what I
said" or a "I was taken out of context" quote.

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
68. Well
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Aug 2012

That indicates that Missouri is filled with knuckle dragging, mysoginistic, asshats...that and the religious fanatics...sorry I repeated myself.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
139. My gosh, I have witnessed the "dumbing down" of Americans
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:12 PM
Aug 2012

but this is surreal. It is so hard to fathom that anyone of "average intelligence" could actually allow this idiot to espouse such nonsense. To actually elect him as your Senator is beyond comprehension.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
129. Yeah, but those polls were taken before this remark was made
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 06:53 AM
Aug 2012

Look again in a couple of weeks. If they're still the same, then you can say that he'll probably be a senator.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
125. some facebook comments
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:05 AM
Aug 2012

Most of them are like this:


Mercy Garetz This guy is about to be eyeball deep in female fury. Have fun with that, bro'fo!

THen two from this guy:

Tony Robinson
I think there is some scary truth to this man's point and yet there is some ignorance here. While the woman can discourage penile penetration with their bodies, it is something a woman had to completely focus on, using uncommon muscles. The
scary part of this is how can a woman use these muscles when her focus is not necessarily go keep him out but to stay alive. Also, because the underlining act is natural, its really confusing when/ if a person have any kind of sexual stimulation from it. Unless you are completely in tune with your body and prepare yourself to be raped, the body itself is not the defense, but the mind, which is either strong or not. Like when children get molested, it leaves all sorts of confusions.


Tony Robinson They say a woman's body kills off sperm naturally. She is focused on what she's doing with her partner. I think in a rape situation, she is more apt to become pregnant she's mentally am not one with her body.

5 minutes ago via mobile · Like.








Hoohah: you are now faced, Missouri with a very public IQ test. Vote for him and seal the impression this asshat started or show us you have a three digit mentality. Honestly, you deserve him if he wins.

name redacted because its mine: Tony Robinson, you have lost your mind. Truly, seek help. And I truly your next life is female.








Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
2. WTH? Is this guy now a doctor, too?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

WTH is "legitimate rape". Is there an 'illigetimate rape'? This guy is a certifiable nut case.

If he has any chance of winning, MO will be another state on my list of 'no fly zone' states. I wouldn't feel safe around anyone voting for this clown.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
24. ‘Legitimate Rape’
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:22 PM
Aug 2012

THAT is the line that the Dems need to run with...and hammer...over and over and over...with the guy's picture attached.

Get a clue Dems...this slime bag has given you a grand opportunity.

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
121. Local news is running with it.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:56 PM
Aug 2012

They've announced it as the top story at 10 o'clock, calling him on the teaser by name and referring to it as a "disturbing" comment on one station.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
141. "Legitimate Rape" is DogWhistle for "Women lie about rape"
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:41 PM
Aug 2012

this prick's a real example of edumacation in the Bible Belt.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
74. 'juices don't flow"
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:48 PM
Aug 2012

yep an elected official in nc actually said that... So if a woman gets pregnant, she wanted it....

yep, that's what they are saying...

and yet, women will vote for him

scary

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
9. That old myth is harmful, but the one about rape is much worse.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
Aug 2012

By saying that women don't get pregnant "if it is really rape" they are saying that any woman who becomes pregnant as the result of a rape wasn't really raped. They're saying that she's both a slut and a liar, in other words.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. That scene in "Deliverance" comes to mind
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

It was the first rape scene I had seen in any theater where the entire male audience was totally quiet. For some reason, guys could whistle, laugh, talk to each other etc if it was a female rape victim portrayed in film (yawn) but when Ned Beatty was afflicted, it was very different.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
94. I don't think it would help...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:09 PM
Aug 2012

they think women should be kept in their place and keep their mouths shut. And if she was raped, she was probably asking for it.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
130. Republicans have rejected the legitimacy of the biological sciences,
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:06 AM
Aug 2012

as well as the legitimacy of climate science. And when it comes to economics, they reject the legitimacy of arithmetic.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
120. "legit"? Prob. Akins thinks it is not date rape, not spousal rape, & only violent stranger rape.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:46 PM
Aug 2012

He probably means "legitimate" as in "a legitimate accusation of a bona fide crime with incontrovertible prima facie evidence that can't be overlooked resulting in an open-and-shut case probably with a guilty plea".

I think his hidden assumptions are that on a date "no" means "maybe" or "yes", and that by definition husbands can't rape wives because the wife will only make false accusations in a divorce case. That was his reasoning in debates about a spousal rape law (it seems he ended up voting for it after all).

It seems he thinks that if a raped woman gets pregnant it is because there was some kind of attraction to the rapist and some kind of assent to the rape, making it a non-rape.

Of course it is all bullshit, especially the bogus bit about doctors telling him stuff about rape and pregnancy.

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
11. I would like to know the name of the doctor(s) who told him about this 'shut-down' thing...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

If this jackass can't/won't furnish the names...he is a LIAR.


Tikki

Botany

(70,483 posts)
15. and republicans wonder why they have trouble getting the female vote?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:11 PM
Aug 2012

Pregnancies Resulting from Rape

In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped. According to medical reports, the incidence
of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy
rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of
rape during that period.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
16. OK, so maybe it wasn't a real doctor...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

or even someone who played one on TV...

but they did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

Ok, it turns out it was a "Motel 6"...

Well, it used to be a Motel 6...


unblock

(52,181 posts)
17. a classic case of "a little learning is a dang'rous thing":
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:17 PM
Aug 2012

what is true is that the odds of becoming pregnant from a single vaginal ejaculation (regardless of consent or violence involved) is actually rather low, as any couple having difficulty getting pregnant can attest. the statistics for birth control typically give the percentage likelihood of getting pregnant over the course of an ENTIRE YEAR.

so the chance of a rape leading to a pregnancy is indeed low, but it has ZERO to do with it being rape as opposed to consensual sex. there are no special defenses involved.

unblock

(52,181 posts)
124. nice aim!
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 12:01 AM
Aug 2012

on the flip side, it took mrs. unblock and i 4 years to get one kid!



as far as rape is concerned, the probability question is rather beside the point as far as public policy goes. it's possible, and more to the point it does happen. legislators have to address the situation whether it happens to 500 people a year or 500,000.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
18. wonder
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:17 PM
Aug 2012

if he was reading a milftoon (quasi legal) where it says the drawings depict kids over 18.... but the mother is like totally a bab and tells the kid after he's cumming... oh don't worry son, I can't get pregnant from someone your age. Say everyone knows thats a joke as in dumb mom.

Alas we have someone here who seems to be the literal definition of a dumb blond. X_X not that blonds are dumb.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. I remember reading that Jessie Helms believed that a woman could not get pregnant unless
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

she had an orgasm. And so - if she got pregnant when raped, she must have had an orgasm - so she wasn't raped because she obviously enjoyed it.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
21. ...and non-witches SINK when tossed into water...witches came to the top of the water.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

Same line of thinking, I would say.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
20. Love the Fetus...Hate the Child
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

SO Mr. Creep...address this straight to the face and in the eyes of your...wife, mother, sisters...and tell them, you have
that baby after you were RAPED!

Another cold hearted, slime bag Thug, Bully and BAGGER Party member.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
103. Opps...my mistake
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:46 PM
Aug 2012

They hate everything and everybody except the fetus.

Well except the KKKoch Brothers, KKKarl Rove and $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
22. How does he survive from day to day being that stupid?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:20 PM
Aug 2012

You just know someone is shadowing him each day, to prevent him from walking into traffic.

Of course, if he was legitimately run over by a car, his body's unnamed biological defenses would kick in and prevent him from being injured.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
97. And the rest of us?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

Wadwedo to deserve the likes of him? Remember this is a federal position, US Senate, that he is running for.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
106. And in a perfect world...those that voted for him would be the only ones to suffer from his
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:58 PM
Aug 2012

evilness..........too bad it doesn't work that way.

LiberalFighter

(50,837 posts)
123. I agree with you to a point.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 09:01 PM
Aug 2012

But jackass Senators effect our lives too. Check out Senator TurtleDick McConnell.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
26. You know, every time I think repukes can't get even more disgusting,
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
Aug 2012

they manage to dig to new lows. This guy should be castrated.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
27. That darned ol' illegitimate rape will get a women every time. For God's sake, how in the hell
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

did this guy make it to the point where he is actually running for Senate? And LEADING?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
100. That's what amazes me - did this guy even graduate from High School?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:28 PM
Aug 2012

How can you be so stupid and misinformed and make it to that level? I am completely baffled and appalled.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
34. I can't believe that guy has enough brains to breathe
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:35 PM
Aug 2012

his mother's natural biological shut off switch must not have worked correctly

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. I suppose we should be thankful ...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

... he doesn't think babies come from a stork.

These people are just plain stupid. How could anyone believe such a thing?


Oh, that's right, religion.


And all the magic thinking that accompanies it.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
38. Holy Cow !!!!!!!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

Rape is Rape and that's it. I could care less about the pregnancy issue. Rape is a crime.

Response to kpete (Original post)

spike91nz

(180 posts)
44. So if its rape, and a baby is conceived, it is deemed an "illegitimate rape?"
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

Does that invalidate criminal charges? A form of witch trial evidence then, where if she becomes pregnant, then it was god's will, but if not then it is a crime. Maybe a child could be made legitimate by a retroactive marriage so it was never more than a husband's right to use his wife as god sees fit. Won't be long before, "why does a witch float?"

This crop of righties are amazingly retrograde in their thinking. It would appear that the dark ages are really always only one election away.

You might believe there is a natural rational defense against ignorance as well, but clearly Mr. Akin provides evidence against such a theory. I guess if god had wanted him to think, he wouldn't have made him a republican.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
102. Todd also apparently believes that a woman can't get pregnant unless she has a climax in the process
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:34 PM
Aug 2012

And if she climaxed, she enjoyed it and so the rape was consensual, as in legitimate. Presto, legitimate rape.

I wish I were kidding.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
47. Explaining his no-exceptions policy on abortions, Akin was asked why he opposes abortion even when."
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:57 PM
Aug 2012

SO...no abortions.

Then how about MANDATORY sterilization for the rapist?

Eh?

soulardbill

(6 posts)
48. AKIN
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

I'm not sure id Dem's know this but bill Clinton's little bill to deregulate radio in the 1990s is really backfiring re pubs have bought all small market outlets they have a stranglehold on small town america they gave up on st louis and kansas city they know they will go dem every time .THE stupid part is like bill ma her said if your on welfare,poor why would you vote re pub but the small market radio has done this very thing even people i know on food stamps will vote re pub now propaganda capitalist style

drm604

(16,230 posts)
63. On this board I think you'll find
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:35 PM
Aug 2012

that most of us are very much aware of how conservatives have bought up the radio markets.

Welcome to DU!

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
54. I understand being opposed to abortion
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:15 PM
Aug 2012

I am pro choice, but I at least understand that this is a very important issue to some. What I do not understand is attempt at the bizarre reasoning. This man simply cannot be that poorly informed to one believe what he just said and then to have stated it in an interview on a TV station, where it can be played over and over and over and over again.....

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
56. The GOP is sooooooooo out of touch
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

And frickin nuts too. They just spout of chit with no sense of humanity. Hopefully this will do him in, in Missouri. I wasn't going to vote for this dumbass anyway.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
57. It's time to make these bastards produce proof. I'm sick of their bullshit claims.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:22 PM
Aug 2012

From "I paid my taxes" to "docctors told me" to every other moronic, self-serving lie that comes out of their mouths. Proof. Let's have it, or it means nothing.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
58. 'Let's assume,' this prick has a working brain. But that'd make an ass out of both of us. No sale!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

Go back to that rock you slithered out from under because fall and winter is coming, and you'll just be an unwanted varmint by that time.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
59. This is what happens when someone believes the world works the way they believe...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:31 PM
Aug 2012

...and it runs up against reality.

Republicans really believe their "god critter" creates children out of love.

This is one of the reasons Republican men put all the blame on their wives for "failing to provide them with children".

It CAN'T be because they're shooting blanks,....they're big strong manly men...

greatauntoftriplets

(175,730 posts)
67. What the hell is "legitimate rape"?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:38 PM
Aug 2012

For that matter, is there also "illegitimate rape"? IMHO, rape is rape and a crime of violence against women.

Odd Won Out

(85 posts)
70. Since Logic, Science, Reason, and Human Decency aren't relevent
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
Aug 2012

in their World View, offensive statements like that will go uncontested.

Fox News will always give these scumbags cover. MSM will follow like the loyal lap dogs that they are.

No offense to loyal lap dogs. Between dogs and humans, dogs are the more noble species.

bucolic_frolic

(43,122 posts)
71. Absolutely Jaw-Dropping
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

and it ought to be a game-changer for this race

what an opening!

and what are these unnamed biological defenses?

By his logic, these defenses do not function in illegitimate rape.

What is illegitimate rape?

Is that by a spouse, or is it the other way around, Mr. Akin?

This guy is a real bright one!

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
72. That makes it very clear to see ...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

... that he is in no way qualified to make medical decisions for women.

rizlaplus

(159 posts)
73. sinking lower than that slimy space beneath the rock
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:45 PM
Aug 2012

I thought it was impossible for someone to sink lower than that slimy space beneath the rock but it sure looks like Akin has!

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
77. Rip open a women's legs, and ram that flagstaff into that womb.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:59 PM
Aug 2012

"I claim this womb for the United States!"



Fuckers, all of them.

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
78. And what kind of doctor, pray tell, enlightened the esteemed nominee with this crock of shit?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:00 PM
Aug 2012

And just out of curiosity, if some cases of rape are "legitimate" what constitutes "illegitimate rape"?

This goes way beyond simple ignorance. This is almost criminally ignorant.

PatSeg

(47,366 posts)
79. Who are these "doctors"???
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:05 PM
Aug 2012

How about some names Todd Akin and exactly what they said. Guess that would be a bit difficult as there surely is no real medical doctor who would say something so stupid and insensitive.

What a creep. Just when I thought they couldn't get any worse.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
80. McCaskill needs to fight dirty.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:17 PM
Aug 2012

"My opponent sounds in need of medical attention himself." Something like that. No more of this being 'stunned' by him. Fucking kick him in the balls. Metaphorically speaking.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
83. New Update: Another response from Senator Claire McCaskill
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:25 PM
Aug 2012



Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) said in a statement Sunday that comments made by her Republican opponent Rep. Todd Akin about "legitimate rape" were "beyond comprehension":

"It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape," said McCaskill. "The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccaskill-calls-akins-rape-comments-beyond-comprehension




----------

Previous response from Sen McCaskill

Claire McCaskill
@clairecmc
As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases,I'm stunned by Rep Akin's comments about victims this AM bit.ly/NahiHz

http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-senate-nominee-victims-of-legitimate-rape-do-not-get-pregnant/

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccaskill-im-stunned-by-akins-comments-about-rape

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
88. That's what I mean. A fucking wordy response does not really help.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:36 PM
Aug 2012

She needs to fight dirty. Shame him, don't talk over him.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
92. What the hell do you expect her to do on a Sunday, give her a bit of time. She won't let it drop.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:39 PM
Aug 2012

They have to have time to put an ad together and she'll probably be on the TV tube tomorrow.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
133. Let the deadline pass for him to get out of the race in a day or two.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:15 AM
Aug 2012

If he dares stay on the ballot after the deadline to change the R candidate, then slam him!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
85. Update - Akin On ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comment: ‘I Misspoke’
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:28 PM
Aug 2012


Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) said late Sunday that he "misspoke" when he claimed that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" have biological defenses that fend off a pregnancy and therefore do not need legal abortion rights.

"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year," Akin said in a statement. He promised rape victims "will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve" if he is elected.

-snip-

Copy of Akin's full released statement here: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/akin-on-legitimate-rape-comment-i-misspoke




Asshole !!!

Response to Tx4obama (Reply #85)

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
90. Problem is, that isn't just a gaffe.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:37 PM
Aug 2012

He meant women frequently lie about rape. It does tell misogynists that he's one of them. Solidifying the angry male vote, Todd? I think they were already going for you.

Yes, he now talks of his deep sympathy for women who have been raped.
Tempered by his deep suspicion that they're lying about it. Somebody ask him about that.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
104. Dang!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:50 PM
Aug 2012

...knew it!

It was SO over the top, that he got some orders from someone to try and clean this filth up.

However, He was for it...Before he was against it!

...he's still scum.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
117. The last word says it all
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:46 PM
Aug 2012

He must have been standing on his head because the only thing that came out of his mouth was diarrhea

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
137. I'm so sick of the get-out-of-jail "I-mispoke" free card.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:32 AM
Aug 2012

And the media laps it up & moves on to something VP Biden says, instead.

Irresponsible fuckers every fucking one!

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
86. Retroactively abort the rapist, maybe?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

Like anyone disagrees that a rapist shouldn't be punished. False dilemma here: why can't you punish the rapist and abort his handiwork? Like punishment is even relevant to the problem being discussed.

The gaffe about "legitimate rape" not only sounds bad, but it's a code word to Repubs that says he thinks women frequently lie about rape, and will lie more often to get an abortion. So, underneath there's an assumption that women are devious.

Let's see if he gains more in the misogynist male vote than he loses in the pissed off female vote. I think he already had the former, though. This will send a few more votes to McCaskill, and possibly Obama.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
95. We have a winner---make that a LOSER in the genetic race. You can't make someone this dumb
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:16 PM
Aug 2012

they have to be born that way.

Dustin DeWinde

(193 posts)
107. if McCaskill's people
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

Know what they are doing everyone in Missouri will be calling akin 'the rape he'S and voting against him by November. If she is squeamish about exploiting the opening that akin the jackass has given her then it just confirms my negative feelings towards bluedogs

She owes it to the people of her state to defeat this cretin who is so eager to blame the victims of rape

TBF

(32,039 posts)
131. Interesting article and doesn't surprise me in the least -
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:22 AM
Aug 2012

this is all about control. These neanderthals need to be shown back to their caves.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
109. This clown hasn't dropped out yet?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:11 PM
Aug 2012

Imagine the pressure if the Democrat had said something as outrageous as this?

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
110. On googles top stories he's number two btween Assange and Syrian President Bashar al-Assa
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aug 2012

He is so fucked.

thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
113. This is a popular right wing myth.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:26 PM
Aug 2012

I ran into it twenty years ago. Some guy on the street handed me an anti-choice leaflet spouting this same BS about a woman's "natural defenses" kicking in if it's a "real" rape. I told him I worked with a rape crisis center and this was BS. He was unconvinced. In his fantasy right wing world, any woman who says she became pregnant because of a rape is a liar. Even the thirteen year olds.

You can't argue with stupid like that. I can still see his smug little face, handing out this crap, spouting his BS.

Sometimes this world is a very frightening place.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
115. When this idiot wins in a landslide in November,
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:42 PM
Aug 2012

I want all of you who have claimed that "Republicans have killed themselves by moving too far right" to come here and apologize for being so dumb.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
126. Your apology thread will be sought in two days when he is out of the race.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:29 AM
Aug 2012

Mitt Rmoney will flush this dumb turd by morning because his V-P candidate is linked to him and together they tried to write "forcible rape" into law. Either that or Ryan goes away too overnight now. This just cost them the election, and now they have to try to salvage not getting totally flushed out of Congress too!

Remember, women vote too, and nearly one-fifth of women (18 percent) reported experiencing a completed or attempted rape at some time in their lives ((National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November 1998)

jsr

(7,712 posts)
119. Akin’s claim is not uncommon in conservative circles
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012
http://guardianlv.com/2012/08/rep-todd-akins-believes-rape-rarely-causes-pregnancy-on-what-planet/

Akin’s claim is one that pops up occasionally in social conservative circles. A federal judge nominated by President Bush in the early 2000s had said similar things, as have state lawmakers in North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

Politicians and activists who espouse this view often suggest that women who haven’t been raped will claim to have been raped in order to obtain an abortion. An Idaho state lawmaker apologized earlier this year after urging doctors to make sure women who claimed they had been raped were sure of that fact.

Akin himself has suggested in the past that women may claim to be raped as a strategy during divorce proceedings.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
128. my questions to him would have to be
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 06:53 AM
Aug 2012

when and where did you graduate from medical school with your emphasis in gynecology?
and
how would you know what "legitimate rape" does or doesn't do to the female body unless you had first hand experience in the matter?

And don't be fooled---there are idiots in the state of Missouri who have daughters, wives, mothers, aunts and nieces who are draining their bank accounts even as we speak to donate to his campaign.

it's stunning the base level of stupidity a grown man can have in 2012.

 

Sanddancer

(52 posts)
132. NPR. Bless their little hearts.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:27 AM
Aug 2012

NPR reported this this morning. They felt the need to state that there was at least one scientific study that would argue against what Akin claims. This reminded me of a line from Newsroom where the Bill Mcavoy character was railing against the "biased towards fairness." of the so called "left wing press" when it comes to reporting on the tin foil hatter wing of the republican party.

"..if Republicans introduced a bill saying the earth was flat, newspapers would lead the story by saying that both major parties could not agree on the shape of the earth."

12zelda12

(12 posts)
134. Saw it on Yahoo
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:44 AM
Aug 2012

This story was the headline on Yahoo a few minutes ago. He is backing away from the statement saying that he "misspoke". Too bad, so sad, Akin. You just handed McCatskill the race. Their boneheaded, scary ideaology is so deep that they have no idea how their statements appear.

emald

(726 posts)
135. "legitimate rape" ??????
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:54 AM
Aug 2012

sick son of a beast. really sick. stupid also, really, really, really stupid.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
136. No words.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:09 AM
Aug 2012


How does someone this fucking ignorant get elected? When is this fuck up for re-election? Does he have a challenger? I would like to contribute.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
140. Unbelievable
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:23 PM
Aug 2012

Is this nation really that divided? Either the Republicans have a very low opinion of the intelligence of their constituency, or they are honestly trying to throw the election. Undecided which way to go on this.

Marthe48

(16,931 posts)
142. Is this guy really that stupid?
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

And he sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology?

Marthe48

(16,931 posts)
146. I'm still trying to get past the complete ignorance of human biology
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

but I don't think I can ever comprehend the inexcusable disregard of human victims

 

MountainS

(4 posts)
144. New Law (10 feet away)
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 04:58 PM
Aug 2012

Just as law says "keep safe distance between vehicles" to avoid accidents.

Introduced a new law that other than family members & friends, people must stay 10 feet away from each other whether they are inside the house or outside or walking on the streets/roads

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