Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant
Source: Talking Points Memo
Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of Legitimate Rape Dont Get Pregnant
Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of legitimate rape have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.
First of all, from what I understand from doctors (pregnancy from rape) is really rare, Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. If its a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
Akin said that even in the worst-case scenario when the supposed natural protections against unwanted pregnancy fail abortion should still not be a legal option for the rape victim.
Lets assume that maybe that didnt work, or something, Akin said. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.
Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php?ref=fpa
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)And this moron wants to be a Senator.............
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)The PollTracker Average shows Akin leading McCaskill by a margin of 49.7 percent to 41.3 percent.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)right down to her campaign manager...Now ..This guy is like a ...............
Botany
(70,483 posts).... because this should peal away a # of female voters but Missouri
has # of fundy female voters.
How soon till we get a "I am sorry if somebody was offended by what I
said" or a "I was taken out of context" quote.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)That indicates that Missouri is filled with knuckle dragging, mysoginistic, asshats...that and the religious fanatics...sorry I repeated myself.
Botany
(70,483 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)dotymed
(5,610 posts)but this is surreal. It is so hard to fathom that anyone of "average intelligence" could actually allow this idiot to espouse such nonsense. To actually elect him as your Senator is beyond comprehension.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Look again in a couple of weeks. If they're still the same, then you can say that he'll probably be a senator.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)And they call this the world's most exclusive club? Ha!!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Most of them are like this:
Mercy Garetz This guy is about to be eyeball deep in female fury. Have fun with that, bro'fo!
THen two from this guy:
Tony Robinson
I think there is some scary truth to this man's point and yet there is some ignorance here. While the woman can discourage penile penetration with their bodies, it is something a woman had to completely focus on, using uncommon muscles. The
scary part of this is how can a woman use these muscles when her focus is not necessarily go keep him out but to stay alive. Also, because the underlining act is natural, its really confusing when/ if a person have any kind of sexual stimulation from it. Unless you are completely in tune with your body and prepare yourself to be raped, the body itself is not the defense, but the mind, which is either strong or not. Like when children get molested, it leaves all sorts of confusions.
Tony Robinson They say a woman's body kills off sperm naturally. She is focused on what she's doing with her partner. I think in a rape situation, she is more apt to become pregnant she's mentally am not one with her body.
5 minutes ago via mobile · Like.
Hoohah: you are now faced, Missouri with a very public IQ test. Vote for him and seal the impression this asshat started or show us you have a three digit mentality. Honestly, you deserve him if he wins.
name redacted because its mine: Tony Robinson, you have lost your mind. Truly, seek help. And I truly your next life is female.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)WTH is "legitimate rape". Is there an 'illigetimate rape'? This guy is a certifiable nut case.
If he has any chance of winning, MO will be another state on my list of 'no fly zone' states. I wouldn't feel safe around anyone voting for this clown.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)THAT is the line that the Dems need to run with...and hammer...over and over and over...with the guy's picture attached.
Get a clue Dems...this slime bag has given you a grand opportunity.
xmas74
(29,673 posts)They've announced it as the top story at 10 o'clock, calling him on the teaser by name and referring to it as a "disturbing" comment on one station.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)this prick's a real example of edumacation in the Bible Belt.
bluemarkers
(536 posts)yep an elected official in nc actually said that... So if a woman gets pregnant, she wanted it....
yep, that's what they are saying...
and yet, women will vote for him
scary
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)is BEYOND scary....
We are in total sci-fi mode here now.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)rfranklin
(13,200 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)By saying that women don't get pregnant "if it is really rape" they are saying that any woman who becomes pregnant as the result of a rape wasn't really raped. They're saying that she's both a slut and a liar, in other words.
snot
(10,518 posts)canuckledragger
(1,636 posts)As does the whole of the republican party.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)
It was the first rape scene I had seen in any theater where the entire male audience was totally quiet. For some reason, guys could whistle, laugh, talk to each other etc if it was a female rape victim portrayed in film (yawn) but when Ned Beatty was afflicted, it was very different.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)no lube!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)they think women should be kept in their place and keep their mouths shut. And if she was raped, she was probably asking for it.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)as well as the legitimacy of climate science. And when it comes to economics, they reject the legitimacy of arithmetic.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)is legitimate rape??!! Where are they getting these people?!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)He probably means "legitimate" as in "a legitimate accusation of a bona fide crime with incontrovertible prima facie evidence that can't be overlooked resulting in an open-and-shut case probably with a guilty plea".
I think his hidden assumptions are that on a date "no" means "maybe" or "yes", and that by definition husbands can't rape wives because the wife will only make false accusations in a divorce case. That was his reasoning in debates about a spousal rape law (it seems he ended up voting for it after all).
It seems he thinks that if a raped woman gets pregnant it is because there was some kind of attraction to the rapist and some kind of assent to the rape, making it a non-rape.
Of course it is all bullshit, especially the bogus bit about doctors telling him stuff about rape and pregnancy.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Tikki
(14,556 posts)If this jackass can't/won't furnish the names...he is a LIAR.
Tikki
LiberalFighter
(50,837 posts)Have him provide doctors willing to support his claim.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I'm speechless.
Botany
(70,483 posts)Pregnancies Resulting from Rape
In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped. According to medical reports, the incidence
of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy
rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of
rape during that period.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)or even someone who played one on TV...
but they did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
Ok, it turns out it was a "Motel 6"...
Well, it used to be a Motel 6...
unblock
(52,181 posts)what is true is that the odds of becoming pregnant from a single vaginal ejaculation (regardless of consent or violence involved) is actually rather low, as any couple having difficulty getting pregnant can attest. the statistics for birth control typically give the percentage likelihood of getting pregnant over the course of an ENTIRE YEAR.
so the chance of a rape leading to a pregnancy is indeed low, but it has ZERO to do with it being rape as opposed to consensual sex. there are no special defenses involved.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Low likelihood is not no likelihood
unblock
(52,181 posts)on the flip side, it took mrs. unblock and i 4 years to get one kid!
as far as rape is concerned, the probability question is rather beside the point as far as public policy goes. it's possible, and more to the point it does happen. legislators have to address the situation whether it happens to 500 people a year or 500,000.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)if he was reading a milftoon (quasi legal) where it says the drawings depict kids over 18.... but the mother is like totally a bab and tells the kid after he's cumming... oh don't worry son, I can't get pregnant from someone your age. Say everyone knows thats a joke as in dumb mom.
Alas we have someone here who seems to be the literal definition of a dumb blond. X_X not that blonds are dumb.
djean111
(14,255 posts)she had an orgasm. And so - if she got pregnant when raped, she must have had an orgasm - so she wasn't raped because she obviously enjoyed it.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Same line of thinking, I would say.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)SO Mr. Creep...address this straight to the face and in the eyes of your...wife, mother, sisters...and tell them, you have
that baby after you were RAPED!
Another cold hearted, slime bag Thug, Bully and BAGGER Party member.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)hate the woman
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)They hate everything and everybody except the fetus.
Well except the KKKoch Brothers, KKKarl Rove and $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)You just know someone is shadowing him each day, to prevent him from walking into traffic.
Of course, if he was legitimately run over by a car, his body's unnamed biological defenses would kick in and prevent him from being injured.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)NOLALady
(4,003 posts)if they vote for him, they will get the the Senator they deserve.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)they are imposing their Senator on all of us.
RC
(25,592 posts)Wadwedo to deserve the likes of him? Remember this is a federal position, US Senate, that he is running for.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)evilness..........too bad it doesn't work that way.
LiberalFighter
(50,837 posts)But jackass Senators effect our lives too. Check out Senator TurtleDick McConnell.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)they manage to dig to new lows. This guy should be castrated.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)did this guy make it to the point where he is actually running for Senate? And LEADING?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How can you be so stupid and misinformed and make it to that level? I am completely baffled and appalled.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Religion.
truthisfreedom
(23,141 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)citizen blues
(570 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)in this
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)wow that baby is SO cute!
Kali
(55,007 posts)his mother's natural biological shut off switch must not have worked correctly
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)... he doesn't think babies come from a stork.
These people are just plain stupid. How could anyone believe such a thing?
Oh, that's right, religion.
And all the magic thinking that accompanies it.
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)Rape is Rape and that's it. I could care less about the pregnancy issue. Rape is a crime.
Response to kpete (Original post)
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spike91nz
(180 posts)Does that invalidate criminal charges? A form of witch trial evidence then, where if she becomes pregnant, then it was god's will, but if not then it is a crime. Maybe a child could be made legitimate by a retroactive marriage so it was never more than a husband's right to use his wife as god sees fit. Won't be long before, "why does a witch float?"
This crop of righties are amazingly retrograde in their thinking. It would appear that the dark ages are really always only one election away.
You might believe there is a natural rational defense against ignorance as well, but clearly Mr. Akin provides evidence against such a theory. I guess if god had wanted him to think, he wouldn't have made him a republican.
RC
(25,592 posts)And if she climaxed, she enjoyed it and so the rape was consensual, as in legitimate. Presto, legitimate rape.
I wish I were kidding.
Botany
(70,483 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/19/todd-akin-gop-senate-candidate-legitimate-rape-rarely-causes-pregnancy/
Good to see you read DU
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)SO...no abortions.
Then how about MANDATORY sterilization for the rapist?
Eh?
I'm not sure id Dem's know this but bill Clinton's little bill to deregulate radio in the 1990s is really backfiring re pubs have bought all small market outlets they have a stranglehold on small town america they gave up on st louis and kansas city they know they will go dem every time .THE stupid part is like bill ma her said if your on welfare,poor why would you vote re pub but the small market radio has done this very thing even people i know on food stamps will vote re pub now propaganda capitalist style
drm604
(16,230 posts)that most of us are very much aware of how conservatives have bought up the radio markets.
Welcome to DU!
plethoro
(594 posts)I can't believe it.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)appleannie1
(5,067 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)not learning biology in school.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I am pro choice, but I at least understand that this is a very important issue to some. What I do not understand is attempt at the bizarre reasoning. This man simply cannot be that poorly informed to one believe what he just said and then to have stated it in an interview on a TV station, where it can be played over and over and over and over again.....
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)And frickin nuts too. They just spout of chit with no sense of humanity. Hopefully this will do him in, in Missouri. I wasn't going to vote for this dumbass anyway.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)From "I paid my taxes" to "docctors told me" to every other moronic, self-serving lie that comes out of their mouths. Proof. Let's have it, or it means nothing.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Go back to that rock you slithered out from under because fall and winter is coming, and you'll just be an unwanted varmint by that time.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...and it runs up against reality.
Republicans really believe their "god critter" creates children out of love.
This is one of the reasons Republican men put all the blame on their wives for "failing to provide them with children".
It CAN'T be because they're shooting blanks,....they're big strong manly men...
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)rocktivity
drm604
(16,230 posts)RandySF
(58,702 posts)this guy will probably win in November.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Claire McCaskill
@clairecmc
As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases,I'm stunned by Rep Akin's comments about victims this AM bit.ly/NahiHz
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-senate-nominee-victims-of-legitimate-rape-do-not-get-pregnant/
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccaskill-im-stunned-by-akins-comments-about-rape
greatauntoftriplets
(175,730 posts)For that matter, is there also "illegitimate rape"? IMHO, rape is rape and a crime of violence against women.
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)His, I mean
Odd Won Out
(85 posts)in their World View, offensive statements like that will go uncontested.
Fox News will always give these scumbags cover. MSM will follow like the loyal lap dogs that they are.
No offense to loyal lap dogs. Between dogs and humans, dogs are the more noble species.
bucolic_frolic
(43,122 posts)and it ought to be a game-changer for this race
what an opening!
and what are these unnamed biological defenses?
By his logic, these defenses do not function in illegitimate rape.
What is illegitimate rape?
Is that by a spouse, or is it the other way around, Mr. Akin?
This guy is a real bright one!
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... that he is in no way qualified to make medical decisions for women.
rizlaplus
(159 posts)I thought it was impossible for someone to sink lower than that slimy space beneath the rock but it sure looks like Akin has!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,863 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)"I claim this womb for the United States!"
Fuckers, all of them.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)And just out of curiosity, if some cases of rape are "legitimate" what constitutes "illegitimate rape"?
This goes way beyond simple ignorance. This is almost criminally ignorant.
PatSeg
(47,366 posts)How about some names Todd Akin and exactly what they said. Guess that would be a bit difficult as there surely is no real medical doctor who would say something so stupid and insensitive.
What a creep. Just when I thought they couldn't get any worse.
randome
(34,845 posts)"My opponent sounds in need of medical attention himself." Something like that. No more of this being 'stunned' by him. Fucking kick him in the balls. Metaphorically speaking.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) said in a statement Sunday that comments made by her Republican opponent Rep. Todd Akin about "legitimate rape" were "beyond comprehension":
"It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape," said McCaskill. "The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive."
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccaskill-calls-akins-rape-comments-beyond-comprehension
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Previous response from Sen McCaskill
Claire McCaskill
@clairecmc
As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases,I'm stunned by Rep Akin's comments about victims this AM bit.ly/NahiHz
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-senate-nominee-victims-of-legitimate-rape-do-not-get-pregnant/
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccaskill-im-stunned-by-akins-comments-about-rape
randome
(34,845 posts)She needs to fight dirty. Shame him, don't talk over him.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)They have to have time to put an ad together and she'll probably be on the TV tube tomorrow.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)If he dares stay on the ballot after the deadline to change the R candidate, then slam him!
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)She doesn't need to say anything else.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) said late Sunday that he "misspoke" when he claimed that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" have biological defenses that fend off a pregnancy and therefore do not need legal abortion rights.
"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year," Akin said in a statement. He promised rape victims "will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve" if he is elected.
-snip-
Copy of Akin's full released statement here: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/akin-on-legitimate-rape-comment-i-misspoke
Asshole !!!
Response to Tx4obama (Reply #85)
Botany This message was self-deleted by its author.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)He meant women frequently lie about rape. It does tell misogynists that he's one of them. Solidifying the angry male vote, Todd? I think they were already going for you.
Yes, he now talks of his deep sympathy for women who have been raped.
Tempered by his deep suspicion that they're lying about it. Somebody ask him about that.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)...knew it!
It was SO over the top, that he got some orders from someone to try and clean this filth up.
However, He was for it...Before he was against it!
...he's still scum.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)He must have been standing on his head because the only thing that came out of his mouth was diarrhea
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)And the media laps it up & moves on to something VP Biden says, instead.
Irresponsible fuckers every fucking one!
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Like anyone disagrees that a rapist shouldn't be punished. False dilemma here: why can't you punish the rapist and abort his handiwork? Like punishment is even relevant to the problem being discussed.
The gaffe about "legitimate rape" not only sounds bad, but it's a code word to Repubs that says he thinks women frequently lie about rape, and will lie more often to get an abortion. So, underneath there's an assumption that women are devious.
Let's see if he gains more in the misogynist male vote than he loses in the pissed off female vote. I think he already had the former, though. This will send a few more votes to McCaskill, and possibly Obama.
underpants
(182,734 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the stupid in this country gobsmacks me to no end.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)they have to be born that way.
Dustin DeWinde
(193 posts)Know what they are doing everyone in Missouri will be calling akin 'the rape he'S and voting against him by November. If she is squeamish about exploiting the opening that akin the jackass has given her then it just confirms my negative feelings towards bluedogs
She owes it to the people of her state to defeat this cretin who is so eager to blame the victims of rape
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/125173170
TBF
(32,039 posts)this is all about control. These neanderthals need to be shown back to their caves.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Imagine the pressure if the Democrat had said something as outrageous as this?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)He is so fucked.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)I ran into it twenty years ago. Some guy on the street handed me an anti-choice leaflet spouting this same BS about a woman's "natural defenses" kicking in if it's a "real" rape. I told him I worked with a rape crisis center and this was BS. He was unconvinced. In his fantasy right wing world, any woman who says she became pregnant because of a rape is a liar. Even the thirteen year olds.
You can't argue with stupid like that. I can still see his smug little face, handing out this crap, spouting his BS.
Sometimes this world is a very frightening place.
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I want all of you who have claimed that "Republicans have killed themselves by moving too far right" to come here and apologize for being so dumb.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Mitt Rmoney will flush this dumb turd by morning because his V-P candidate is linked to him and together they tried to write "forcible rape" into law. Either that or Ryan goes away too overnight now. This just cost them the election, and now they have to try to salvage not getting totally flushed out of Congress too!
Remember, women vote too, and nearly one-fifth of women (18 percent) reported experiencing a completed or attempted rape at some time in their lives ((National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November 1998)
The Last Democrat
(73 posts)these guys come from ? legitimate rape
jsr
(7,712 posts)Akins claim is one that pops up occasionally in social conservative circles. A federal judge nominated by President Bush in the early 2000s had said similar things, as have state lawmakers in North Carolina and Pennsylvania.
Politicians and activists who espouse this view often suggest that women who havent been raped will claim to have been raped in order to obtain an abortion. An Idaho state lawmaker apologized earlier this year after urging doctors to make sure women who claimed they had been raped were sure of that fact.
Akin himself has suggested in the past that women may claim to be raped as a strategy during divorce proceedings.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)when and where did you graduate from medical school with your emphasis in gynecology?
and
how would you know what "legitimate rape" does or doesn't do to the female body unless you had first hand experience in the matter?
And don't be fooled---there are idiots in the state of Missouri who have daughters, wives, mothers, aunts and nieces who are draining their bank accounts even as we speak to donate to his campaign.
it's stunning the base level of stupidity a grown man can have in 2012.
Sanddancer
(52 posts)NPR reported this this morning. They felt the need to state that there was at least one scientific study that would argue against what Akin claims. This reminded me of a line from Newsroom where the Bill Mcavoy character was railing against the "biased towards fairness." of the so called "left wing press" when it comes to reporting on the tin foil hatter wing of the republican party.
"..if Republicans introduced a bill saying the earth was flat, newspapers would lead the story by saying that both major parties could not agree on the shape of the earth."
12zelda12
(12 posts)This story was the headline on Yahoo a few minutes ago. He is backing away from the statement saying that he "misspoke". Too bad, so sad, Akin. You just handed McCatskill the race. Their boneheaded, scary ideaology is so deep that they have no idea how their statements appear.
emald
(726 posts)sick son of a beast. really sick. stupid also, really, really, really stupid.
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)How does someone this fucking ignorant get elected? When is this fuck up for re-election? Does he have a challenger? I would like to contribute.
oldsarge54
(582 posts)Is this nation really that divided? Either the Republicans have a very low opinion of the intelligence of their constituency, or they are honestly trying to throw the election. Undecided which way to go on this.
Marthe48
(16,931 posts)And he sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology?
MountainS
(4 posts)Who is Supporting or trying to protect Rapists?
Marthe48
(16,931 posts)but I don't think I can ever comprehend the inexcusable disregard of human victims
MountainS
(4 posts)Just as law says "keep safe distance between vehicles" to avoid accidents.
Introduced a new law that other than family members & friends, people must stay 10 feet away from each other whether they are inside the house or outside or walking on the streets/roads