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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 02:56 PM Mar 2018

Miami Pedestrian Bridge Collapses, Police Say 'Mass Casualties'

Source: The Daily Beast



A pedestrian bridge under construction in at Florida International University in Miami collapsed Thursday afternoon, killing “multiple” people, The Miami Herald reported. The bridge covers a major highway at Southwest 8th Street near 109th Avenue, and it runs through downtown Miami. Multiple people were trapped underneath in cars. The bridge, which was just installed over the weekend, was not scheduled to open until early 2019. Reporters on the scene said police moved the media further away from the bridge “just in case the rest falls down.”






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Miami Pedestrian Bridge Collapses, Police Say 'Mass Casualties' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
It's just too much, we worry about our kids getting shot on campus and now this. FM123 Mar 2018 #1
I'm so, sorry! cilla4progress Mar 2018 #29
thank you FM123 Mar 2018 #48
Engineers designed it, engineers approved it bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #2
Notice the piece missing from the as-built picture jberryhill Mar 2018 #3
Evidently nobody learned shit from the Kansas City Hyatt Regency Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #21
That was an on-site design change jberryhill Mar 2018 #26
I'm sure the common theme between the two will be Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #35
Well apparently we needed a refresher course. MissB Mar 2018 #30
I'll bet this project went wrong from the start... hunter Mar 2018 #45
I have to wonder if anyone bothered to maintain it. Gore1FL Mar 2018 #4
It is UNDER CONSTRUCTION jberryhill Mar 2018 #5
No visible means of support? exboyfil Mar 2018 #9
Yup jberryhill Mar 2018 #10
They're on location, but not yet installed. dchill Mar 2018 #12
It will be interesting to know the process jberryhill Mar 2018 #13
Safety sacrified for speed. Plus, the street should always... dchill Mar 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtime Mar 2018 #33
Yep, sure as hell isn't perfected. LisaL Mar 2018 #40
That seems to be what happened. Partial construction. yardwork Mar 2018 #42
No? Surely you can see the temporary supports. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #19
Those "supports" were removed jberryhill Mar 2018 #22
Wow. Sure looks like you are right. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #24
There's a time lapse video of the installation of the span jberryhill Mar 2018 #25
Wonder if the vibration of the traffic was enough to move it off MissB Mar 2018 #31
Oh, wow. I didn't know it was new construction. Gore1FL Mar 2018 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Mar 2018 #38
It's brand new, wasn't complete and hadn't been opened for use. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #28
I didn't realize it was under construction either bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #18
Then it was built by the lowest bidder...n/t bluecollar2 Mar 2018 #47
Time lapse video of installation of span that collapse csziggy Mar 2018 #6
I hope thoughts and prayers are allowed for these victims. pintobean Mar 2018 #7
I hope they're effective. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #17
Cache from contractor's website exboyfil Mar 2018 #8
9.3 million is pretty cheap for that thing. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #27
"cable-stayed pedestrian bridge" - uh - where were the "cable stays"? PoliticAverse Mar 2018 #32
Looks like they haven't installed those yet at the time of the collapse. LisaL Mar 2018 #41
No center support collum-even UNDER the structure... Boxerfan Mar 2018 #14
Here's the design jberryhill Mar 2018 #23
Beautiful design. Gore1FL Mar 2018 #44
A 950 ton, cable-stayed span without the pylon or cables installed... LudwigPastorius Mar 2018 #16
Little Marco is on the scene for his photo op with "thoughts and prayers." FreeStateDemocrat Mar 2018 #20
Munilla Construction Management exboyfil Mar 2018 #43
Under the Trump Administration, America's infrastructure is literally falling apart GreydeeThos Mar 2018 #34
These deaths actually seem to be the result of infrastructure spending - it's a new bridge. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2018 #36
Explaining Accelerated Bridge Construction, the technique used for the collapsed Miami bridge Judi Lynn Mar 2018 #37
Yea, they were trying "innovative" installation. LisaL Mar 2018 #39
Moment failure Strelnikov_ Mar 2018 #46
It seems that they really needed temporary supports installed until the cable suspension system PoliticAverse Mar 2018 #49
Strange that they'd go with such a heavy material. ucrdem Mar 2018 #50
Pylon and "cable stays" were decorative, not required for bridge support ga_girl Mar 2018 #51

FM123

(10,053 posts)
1. It's just too much, we worry about our kids getting shot on campus and now this.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 02:59 PM
Mar 2018

I live in Broward County where Parkland is a half hour away, next to Dade county where the bridge collapse in Miami is another half hour from me, I just can't even anymore.

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
2. Engineers designed it, engineers approved it
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:05 PM
Mar 2018

engineers consulted on construction, an inspector probably certified it.

That's why it's safe. Whoops.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. Evidently nobody learned shit from the Kansas City Hyatt Regency
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 05:03 PM
Mar 2018

And I thought that case study was required teaching for construction engineers...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
35. I'm sure the common theme between the two will be
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:23 PM
Mar 2018

1. Seemingly insignificant procedural details were either sidestepped or done sloppily

2. 'Mistakes were made'

MissB

(15,805 posts)
30. Well apparently we needed a refresher course.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:15 PM
Mar 2018

The Hyatt Regency was in the too distant past apparently.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
45. I'll bet this project went wrong from the start...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:57 PM
Mar 2018

... nobody listened to the guy who said, "Let's start with a conventional bridge. We can decorate it any way you like."

There are thousands of existing bridge designs just like this that don't fall down.

Keep It Simple Stupid.

Gore1FL

(21,117 posts)
4. I have to wonder if anyone bothered to maintain it.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:29 PM
Mar 2018

Doing so with infrastructure went out of style with Reagan.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. It is UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:31 PM
Mar 2018

The span was put up a couple of days ago.

It is supposed to look like this:



What they had up was this:



Notice something missing?
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Yup
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:37 PM
Mar 2018

It is OBVIOUSLY not designed to hold itself up.

Someone must have thought those cables were decorative.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. It will be interesting to know the process
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:54 PM
Mar 2018

Of how the determination was made that it was capable of holding itself up.

dchill

(38,462 posts)
15. Safety sacrified for speed. Plus, the street should always...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:58 PM
Mar 2018

be closed for anything involving a crane.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #13)

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
40. Yep, sure as hell isn't perfected.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:51 PM
Mar 2018

Assuming that killing a bunch of people isn't part of the innovative installation.

yardwork

(61,585 posts)
42. That seems to be what happened. Partial construction.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:56 PM
Mar 2018

Why would they construct a phase that wasn't stable? And why would they let traffic go under it????

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. Those "supports" were removed
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 05:54 PM
Mar 2018

If you are talking about the red beams, they were part of the mobile platform that was used to hoist and move the span into position. The mobile platform was then removed, as the idea was to keep the street open for the remaining construction.

Someone with a license and degree had to have certified that the span would support itself in the interim. Someone else with a license and a degree had to have certified that it was installed to spec. One of those person(s) may end up in prison.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. There's a time lapse video of the installation of the span
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:01 PM
Mar 2018

....which shows the mobile platform.

The idea was to close the street - apparently an important thoroughfare - only briefly.

So someone had to have certified the span would hold its own weight prior to installation of the pylon and cables.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,657 posts)
28. It's brand new, wasn't complete and hadn't been opened for use.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:04 PM
Mar 2018

It was a kind of bridge where they assemble most of it on the ground, then use cranes to put it in place. It was jut put in place last Saturday and they were still working on it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
18. I didn't realize it was under construction either
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:08 PM
Mar 2018

but qualified people are involved at every turn, they just don't turn it over to laborers and say "here's the plans, get a move on."

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
6. Time lapse video of installation of span that collapse
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:31 PM
Mar 2018


It was just put across the road:

Community gathers to watch 950-ton bridge move across Southwest 8th Street
Posted by Clara-Meretan Kiah × 03/14/2018 at 11:57 am


Posted by Clara-Meretan Kiah × 03/14/2018 at 11:57 am

Twelve-year-old Michelle Flores shared a special moment with her family at FIU this past Saturday: She and her sister Gabriela joined their parents, FIU alumni Leonor and Henry Flores MIS ’01, to watch a 950-ton section of a pedestrian bridge swing into its permanent position across Southwest 8th Street.

Leonor Flores ’98 is a project executive and one of 63 FIU alumni who work for MCM, the construction firm building the FIU-Sweetwater UniversityCity Bridge, which will further connect FIU and its northerly neighbor, the City of Sweetwater. She was excited to share her work with her family, especially Michelle, who is interested in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) in school.

<SNIP>

The pedestrian bridge, which crosses Southwest 8th Street at the 109th Avenue intersection, will provide a safer crossing of the eight-lane thoroughfare for the 4,200 FIU students living in Sweetwater. Between its walkways and plazas, it will also provide 9,900 square feet of gathering and event space.

Residents of the City of Sweetwater will have increased access to all that FIU has to offer the community, including: free programming and exhibitions at the Frost Art Museum; walking trails through the FIU Nature Preserve; sports games; musical and theatrical performances at the Wertheim Performing Arts Center; and the FIU Health faculty group practice located on 109th Avenue.

More: https://news.fiu.edu/2018/03/community-gathers-to-watch-950-ton-bridge-move-across-southwest-8th-street/120395

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
8. Cache from contractor's website
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:33 PM
Mar 2018

MCM Awarded the FIU Pedestrian Bridge Project

After a grueling 18 month selection process, three submittals and many sleepless nights, the MCM Civil Department secured another win! This $9.3 million project will be an iconic cable-stayed pedestrian bridge, connecting the city of Sweetwater with the northern entrance of Florida International University (FIU) over 8th Street.

This our first Design-Build with FIGG Bridge Engineers, a nationally acclaimed, award-winning firm based out of Tallahassee. FIGG has designed iconic bridges all over the country, including Boston's famous Leonard P. Zakim Bridge and Florida's Sunshine Skyway Bridge.

We're very excited about this challenging project and look forward to fostering a long and prosperous relationship with the FIGG team!

The MCM Team's blog

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
27. 9.3 million is pretty cheap for that thing.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:03 PM
Mar 2018

Well, it was, until it fell down and killed people anyway.

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
14. No center support collum-even UNDER the structure...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:55 PM
Mar 2018

Stupid design-

The original used the cable support aka GG bridge. Without that any center support at all I can not imagine what dolt thought that would be Ok.....
Then line up multitudes of Dolts and you have this.

A basic chassis welder would have said no effin way.

Gore1FL

(21,117 posts)
44. Beautiful design.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:00 PM
Mar 2018

Poor implementation, to be sure.

I appreciate your posts on this thread. They have been informative.

LudwigPastorius

(9,126 posts)
16. A 950 ton, cable-stayed span without the pylon or cables installed...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 04:01 PM
Mar 2018

What would they think would happen?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the construction company was ordered to prematurely remove the supports under the bridge by some local government mucky muck so he wouldn't get complaints about traffic being impeded.

...just horrible.

GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
34. Under the Trump Administration, America's infrastructure is literally falling apart
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:23 PM
Mar 2018

Trump does not believe in Government inspections or infrastructure spending. Welcome to life under Trump.

Judi Lynn

(160,508 posts)
37. Explaining Accelerated Bridge Construction, the technique used for the collapsed Miami bridge
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:29 PM
Mar 2018

By ABC NEWS Mar 15, 2018, 6:07 PM ET



The technique used to build the bridge that collapsed in Miami today was intended to cause less disruption and make installing new bridges easier.

The bridge that fell near Florida International University was put in place using Accelerated Bridge Construction (ABC) methods, and there is a school at the university dedicated to advancing those techniques.

Accelerated Bridge Construction a process where planners actively consider how bridge construction impacts local traffic flow and try to shift as much construction to be done in advance and off-site before moving those pieces onsite.

The Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration calls ABC "a paradigm shift in the project planning and procurement approach."

More:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/explaining-accelerated-bridge-construction-technique-collapsed-miami-bridge/story?id=53777995

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
39. Yea, they were trying "innovative" installation.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:49 PM
Mar 2018

Innovative isn't always good. Causing mass casualties obviously isn't part of the plan.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
46. Moment failure
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:03 AM
Mar 2018

Pictures in this thread have brought it home.

Will turn out to be a design error, in that the design was not adequate in the simple span interim configuration.




PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
49. It seems that they really needed temporary supports installed until the cable suspension system
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:51 PM
Mar 2018

was erected. Did someone miscalculate in the design or was there some error in implementation?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
50. Strange that they'd go with such a heavy material.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 04:19 AM
Mar 2018

Concrete isn't light and it's an odd material to pick for a pre-fab bridge that had to be lifted into place under tight constraints. Usually concrete is poured into place after a steel framework, which is lighter and more readily prefabricated, has already been constructed.

ga_girl

(183 posts)
51. Pylon and "cable stays" were decorative, not required for bridge support
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:06 AM
Mar 2018

You have to dig through the project proposal documents, but it's clear that the pylon and "cable stays" are almost decorative. The "cable stays" are in fact hollow steel tubes, bolted onto the blisters on top of the bridge and on the pylon with four bolts at each end. (pdf pg B-16)

There is no structural steel involved in the pylon and "cable stays". In fact, those were stage 5 & 6 in the erection sequence. (pdf pg B-27, B-28) Those pieces were intended to control the harmonic loads (bouncing) on the bridge from pedestrians walking back and forth. (pdf pg 18, 63)

Turns out that the bridge itself is designed as an I-beam. The canopy is the top of the I-beam, the walkway is the bottom, and the angled supports are a open plan center web of the I-beam. (pdf pg 47)

As to the cause of the collapse, the NTSB will have to determine that. But anyone who talks about the missing top work is wrong.

http://facilities.fiu.edu/projects/BT_904/MCM_FIGG_Proposal_for_FIU_Pedestrian_Bridge_9-30-2015.pdf

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