India rape: Second Jharkhand teenager set alight, police say

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

A 17-year-old girl in the eastern Indian state of Jharkhand is in a critical condition after she was raped and then set on fire, police say.

A local man has been arrested in connection with the attack.

It is the second such incident to be reported in Jharkhand in recent days - another teenage girl who police say was raped and burned alive died on Sunday.
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"The accused told us that he wanted to marry the victim but she wasn't ready," police officer Shailendra Barnwal said. They added that he attacked her on Friday in her relative's house in a village in Pakur district. The accused lived close by.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-44028366

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The earlier attack:

Dhanu Bhuiyan and his accomplices are accused of burning the 16-year-old alive on Friday in the state of Jharkhand.

She was killed after her parents complained to village elders that she had been raped, according to police.

The elders had told two accused rapists to do 100 sit-ups and pay a 50,000 rupee (£550; $750) fine as punishment.

The men were allegedly so enraged by the penalty that they beat the girl's parents then set her on fire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-44022550

That is a rape culture.

[DetlefK]

1. In summer 2017, Russia declared it illegal to kidnap women and force them into marriage.

There was a legal loophole where it wasn't a capital crime if you kidnap a woman for the purpose of marriage and she escapes. No harm done, no foul. The punishment was a fine.

Russia has closed that loophole last year: Now kidnapping is a capital crime in Russia, EVEN IF SHE GETS RESCUED OR MANAGES TO ESCAPE THE KIDNAPPER.

[leftynyc]

2. Horrifying

100 situps as a penalty for rape? WTF kind of culture thinks that's okay? Certainly not a civilized one.

[get the red out]

6. Agree!

Sickening.

[Ninsianna]

32. Sure a civilized one thinks 17 days served in jail is okay,

I mean that's the kind of culture that seems to be criticizing a culture where the law is pissed off at what went on here.

I mean WTF kind of culture thinks its civilized to let convicted rapists get off with barely any punishment? A pretty fucked up one, and certainly not a civilized one, and yes it's horrifying what this rape culture obsessed barbarians get up to.

Just look at these monsters:

http://www.blackburncenter.org/single-post/2016/09/14/Why-Are-Judges-Giving-Light-Sentences-to-Rapists

[leftynyc]

33. Spare me the drama queen BS

"Elders" having a "trial" where exercise is the punishment? I'm sure those millions of Indian women who recently marched to change the law there were simply just being hysterical, right?

https://news.sky.com/story/protests-over-kidnap-rape-and-murder-of-girl-8-in-india-11328511

And you want to compare that with the teeny percentage of rapists who get convicted here and don't get real sentences? That's pretty fucking lame. Let's check with the "elders" to see what they think.

[Bradical79]

3. Horrible :-(

Wish those village eldar councils could just be banned. You need an entire culture change top to bottom in places like that.

[Ninsianna]

31. It's literally the local government, and the police are pissed.

[Jedi Guy]

5. Absolutely vile.

Both the crimes and the proposed "punishment" of sit-ups and a fine. All the monsters involved in this atrocity need to be dealt with. That poor girl...

[Ninsianna]

29. The police are seeking to punish the assholes who gave out that "punishment"

trivializing rape and ignoring the laws is insane.

[IronLionZion]

7. If stories from rural villages can make into international media

then it's time for country/state laws and law enforcement to come down to those rural villages. People shouldn't get away with rape and murder and violence like this because of the village elder councils being patriarchal and archaic and caste-driven.

[smirkymonkey]

8. What the fuck is wrong with India?

What kind of culture allows such behavior to occur and go unpunished? I'm so disgusted.

[IronLionZion]

12. Your signature line is very relevant

[crim son]

20. You're joking, right?

You knew one guy with a problem and generalize it to a country with over a billion citizens? Nice.

[Ninsianna]

27. Apparently whenever Indians speak out about horrible crimes

in their country, and some western bigots read about it, they assume it only happens there. It's like they have no clue what local news reports every single day.

Or it's just their opportunity to openly be as bigoted and racist as they want to be, since that's something that we usually say is what the other side does.

The posts on this page are remarkably ignorant.

[Ninsianna]

28. It has men in it?

What kind of culture allows such behavior to occur and go unpunished? Why ours, western culture, is all about this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-john-mckeon-montana-no-prison-incest-rape-conviction-under-fire/

https://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/speier-military-rape/index.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/100000-assaults-1000-rapists-sentenced-shockingly-low-conviction-rates-revealed-8446058.html

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/grad-student-stanford-let-violent-serial-rapist-go-unpunished-before-notorious-brock-turner-case/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/01/delhi-rape-damini

You're right to be disgusted, but be disgusted about the culture that's your own, where a rape happens every 2 minutes, with 1/3 the population of India (where it's every 20 minutes). There is something sick about this species, and consistently thinking it's a problem only with the "Other" when it's a culture different from ours (but not substantially), is how it keeps happening.

[Blue_Adept]

9. This is beyond rape culture

[safeinOhio]

10. I wonder how long this would continue if

public penile amputation was the punishment for that crime?

[Ninsianna]

30. With the rustiest, dullest instrument available?

Somehow I don't think it would deter violent assholes from abusing women, it's not about sex, it's about power and domination.

But I'm on board for a trial run, especially when these assholes attack little girls.

[BigOleDummy]

11. I'm dismayed and horrified ....

… by all the reports of rape and gangrape coming out of India lately. What is WRONG there? I used to be filled with admiration for India and its people but no longer. Seems like there's not a week go by where something as sickening as this is not reported. Also. WTF is going on with this setting the victims on fire???? This isn't the first time THATS happened either. Something is seriously wrong with their culture for these things to keep happening. I KNOW there are decent good people there, I KNOW THIS , but where are they? Why aren't they speaking out more?

[IronLionZion]

13. A lot of the world was filled with admiration for America

until the pussy grabbing president and his voters represent our country if you believe some asshole rapists represent a country.

Maybe racism represents a desire to feel superior to other cultures and peoples.

[smirkymonkey]

14. I'm sorry, but no other country has a record like this.

There are other countries with sickening records toward women's rights, but the stories that come out of India are just horrifying. I really don't see any comparison with any western country.

[IronLionZion]

15. Be sure to tell feminists that western rape is less horrifying

it'll help American rape victims feel superior culturally

[smirkymonkey]

16. Yeah, because westerners always set their victims on fire.

[IronLionZion]

17. People always do the most extreme news stories from every country

[IronLionZion]

18. Here's an example of our superior culture

Where a good liberal Democrat decided to abuse 4 of his girlfriends, including one he called his "brown slave".

New York AG Eric Schneiderman resigns over assault allegations
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/politics/eric-schneiderman-violence-allegations/index.html

[crim son]

21. Google it. I just did.

We may not always rape 'em before we burn 'em, but we absolutely set people on fire here in the U.S. Even here in Bangor, Maine, some kid set a homeless man on fire a few years ago.

[Ninsianna]

23. Actually, we have a record like this.

The issue you're having is that you hear about the stories that come out from India because Indians are telling you about them. You fail to comprehend the crap that goes on in our own backyards, including the horrible things people do, because western countries are too busy pointing fingers at those brown people and failing to grasp what their lily white neigbors are doing.

It's amazing how little one sees when one closes one's eyes and let's the racism guide their thinking.

So here are some comparisons you might have missed:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/us/jessica-chambers-killing-arrest-mississippi/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/01/delhi-rape-damini

[Ninsianna]

25. I'm dismayed and horrified at the lack of attention paied ot the reports of

rape and gang raped that aren't making it out of the local news in the U.S. What is WRONG here? Seems like literally no one even cares about the rape victims, even the gang rape victims in the US, it's sickening that so many are busy pointing at India, where the populace is out in the streets and the country is working to address these vicious crimes, and ignoring literally what's happening in our own backyards.

Rapists set their victims on fire to destroy evidence and punish the victim. It's a lazy way to deal with it in countries where kerosene is readily at hand where their victims are. It's not the American standards of riddling a rape victim full of bullet holes or just dumping the victim on her doorstep with a lacing of alcohol and putting up the video on FB or anything, but setting rape victims on fire is a thing that rapists do. Even good old American ones, case in point: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html

Something seriously wrong with a culture that keeps pointing fingers at other cultures, while ignoring the same sick behavior in their own. Also, the only reason you know about any of this is that they're speaking out, the question is, when this same shit is happening here, why are the good, decent people who appear to care about it, so blind to what's happening in their won culture, in their own backwards? Why do they keep believing that this is the "culture" of those brown people over there?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/01/delhi-rape-damini

[Ninsianna]

22. No, these are two sadistic criminals murdering their victims.

Rape culture is a country where rapists are allowed to retain their jobs as elected officials, and courts routinely refuse to actually punish those who somehow manage to be convicted of rape.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. From the 2nd article:

The elders had told two accused rapists to do 100 sit-ups and pay a 50,000 rupee (£550; $750) fine as punishment.

The men were allegedly so enraged by the penalty that they beat the girl's parents then set her on fire.

"The two accused thrashed the parents and rushed to the house where they set the girl ablaze with the help of their accomplices," Ashok Ram, the officer in charge of the local police station, told the AFP news agency.

Police say they have arrested 15 of the 18 people they want to investigate in connection with the incidents.

And on the general attitude:

It is possibly all about what Dr Visvanathan calls the "breakdown of moral imagination" in India. Writing in The Indian Express newspaper, Pratap Bhanu Mehta, a leading public intellectual, agreed, saying the Kashmir rape and murder proves "without exaggeration, that India's moral compass has been completely obliterated, carpet-bombed out of existence by the very custodians of law, morality and virtue who give daily sermons on national pride".

In a deeply divided society, collective action is always difficult. Outrage happens - as in this case - when graphic details of the torture inflicted on the girl stir the conscience of many. This is what happened in this case.

Many say the equally horrific 2012 Delhi gang-rape provoked huge protests in the capital because the victim was like "one of us" who was attacked on the way home with her male friend after watching a Hollywood film at a cineplex. On the other hand, the girl in Kathua was a veritable vagabond, a member of a poor nomadic community, languishing bottom-most in India's unforgiving and cruel caste hierarchy.

"Everyone is complicit - we the people, media, politicians. There's no concept of human rights anymore. There are Hindu rights and Muslim rights. Our loyalties are now to religion, caste, groups and clubs," says Dr Visvanathan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43751166

It's far, far more than just 2 violent criminals.

[Ninsianna]

26. You might want to go read that part you quoted again.

It's rape culture when rural weirdos didn't go to the police, and the police in a country of laws are doing their jobs and arresting the criminals?

And gee, the BBC quoting a Indian guy saying stuff about crime in India, and saying the same things that conservatives say here?

Yeah, it's a species wide problem, and you specified two specific acts.

Here are 4, http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/01/delhi-rape-damini

I mean, it's more than just a few criminals, and it's downright racist and wrong to pretend it's just those brown people.

We live in a country that routinely refuses to punish rapists, even gang rapists, even when they're uploading facebook videos, even when they're setting their victims on fire.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. It's rape culture when rural weirdos didn't go to the police .. well, yes, that's the point

The culture is what the people do. I didn't say it was "rape state"; it's a rape culture.