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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:50 AM May 2018

Scotland will consider independence vote after Brexit clarity, says Sturgeon

Source: Politico-Europe




Scotland’s first minister says she wouldn’t block another vote on EU membership.

By JACOPO BARIGAZZI 5/20/18, 2:13 PM CET Updated 5/20/18, 2:14 PM CET

Nicola Sturgeon will consider another vote on independence when Westminster offers greater certainty on Brexit, Scotland’s first minister said Sunday.

“Once we get some clarity, which hopefully we will in autumn of this year, about the Brexit outcome and the future relationship between the U.K and the EU, then I will consider again the question of the timing of an independence referendum,” she said on ITV ’s Peston on Sunday program.

Sturgeon also said her Scottish National Party would not block a vote on any Brexit final deal, but worried about what would happen if the different parts of the U.K voted for different outcomes in the same way they did in 2016.

In the Brexit referendum, Scotland voted in favor of the U.K staying in the EU by 62 percent to 38 percent. Sturgeon said after that vote that Scotland had delivered a “strong, unequivocal vote” to remain in the EU.

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Read more: https://www.politico.eu/article/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-independence-vote-brexit-clarity/

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Scotland will consider independence vote after Brexit clarity, says Sturgeon (Original Post) DonViejo May 2018 OP
Eventually TimeSnowDemos May 2018 #1
If I was to put a order of likelihood on those 3 things happening OnDoutside May 2018 #2
I think you are mistaken about the degree to Voltaire2 May 2018 #3
I'm Irish and live in Ireland, so I'm well aware. I'm also aware that there is a OnDoutside May 2018 #4
It's very depressing watching these old hatreds acting out. Here in the US... TreasonousBastard May 2018 #6
NI is so much different to 25 years ago, young people are thankfully far OnDoutside May 2018 #10
Unfortunate, but true... paleotn May 2018 #7
There was a time when NO ONE Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #13
Agreed TimeSnowDemos May 2018 #5
Yes, I agree. OnDoutside May 2018 #9
UK Conservatives causing breakup of UK unless they hold an UNCORRUPTED BrExit vote now. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #8
I said the day after the Brexit vote that I didn't know how they would OnDoutside May 2018 #11
After 400 years jrandom421 May 2018 #12

OnDoutside

(19,943 posts)
2. If I was to put a order of likelihood on those 3 things happening
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:22 AM
May 2018

Most likely first

1 Brexit doesn't happen

2 Brexit does happen

3 Scotland becomes independent

47 United Ireland

Voltaire2

(12,913 posts)
3. I think you are mistaken about the degree to
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:35 AM
May 2018

which Irish integration has already happened within the EU framework and how massively painful implementation of brexit would be. It just might be the catalyst that ends the 400 year sectarian conflict.

OnDoutside

(19,943 posts)
4. I'm Irish and live in Ireland, so I'm well aware. I'm also aware that there is a
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:45 AM
May 2018

section of this island who will never accept a United Ireland. The Good Friday agreement says a UI cannot happen without a plebiscite on both sides of the border, it's not a gimme that some might think.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. It's very depressing watching these old hatreds acting out. Here in the US...
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

it's a slow process but it looks like the kids now are growing up with much less of the old bigot nonsense. It might take a couple of more generations but the future looks good.

How are the Irish young ones on both sides of the border? Are they getting tired of the fighting or learning how to better fight?

OnDoutside

(19,943 posts)
10. NI is so much different to 25 years ago, young people are thankfully far
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

distant from the cycle of violence, and that's great, but there is still that unease amongst predominately the working class. While passing time is good for peace, I believe it has the opposite effect on any prospect of a United Ireland. We're coming up 100 years of an independent republic and 100 years away from being British.

A friend of mine, from Moville, just over the border from Derry, said she had more in common with me down in Cork, than those a few miles away in Derry. Many of the young Catholics in Ulster, identify themselves as Northern Irish and are content within the current structure. If they can't also see themselves as European, that may change.

From a southern point of view, the economic cost of taking in the North has been glossed over, but could potentially be crippling.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
13. There was a time when NO ONE
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:28 PM
May 2018

ever thought that the IRA would lay down their weapons and make peace, either, but it happened. Over 20 years ago, and that peace had held. I never thought I'd ever live to see the day. Perhaps you feel the same way. So, maybe there is hope for reunification.

Eire Aontaithe, Le Cunamh De.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
5. Agreed
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:50 AM
May 2018

Except that I'd say if it DOES then they're all essentially guaranteed on a long enough time line.

OnDoutside

(19,943 posts)
11. I said the day after the Brexit vote that I didn't know how they would
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:58 AM
May 2018

get there, but there would be another vote. The electorate voted Leave based on lies, but more importantly, not knowing the terms of their departure.

jrandom421

(999 posts)
12. After 400 years
Sun May 20, 2018, 03:05 PM
May 2018

All the planning and scheming Mary and James did to take over the throne and unite Britain under Scottish rule comes to nothing because of these clowns.

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