Two in critical condition, one in custody after shooting at Noblesville school

[Jokerman]

Last edited Fri May 25, 2018, 10:35 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: WISH

Two people are in critical condition and a shooter is in custody after a shooting inside of Noblesville West Middle School.

News 8 has been told that the situation is contained. Police are on scene and a SWAT team is sweeping the building. The school is on lockdown. Officials are requesting more medical help on the scene.

One victim is a 13-year-old girl. One victim is an adult.

Read more: http://www.wishtv.com/news/crime-watch-8/report-multiple-shot-at-noblesville-school/1198338187

[MythosMaster]

1. thoughts?

prayers?

[wolfie001]

2. Middle schools now?

If it's a student, the parents are culpable and should be prosecuted.

[TimeSnowDemos]

3. wellllllll

What if the kid got it from a friend on the day of the shooting?

LOTS of scenarios make this not the fault of the parents.

IF they are responsible they should be prosecuted, yes, but until we know for sure you may be a bit premature in your calls for prosecution.

[Grins]

4. Then it's the fault of the friend's parents!

To quote Stonekettle:

There are no accidents with guns. There. Are. No. Accidents. It's a killing machine. You're responsible. Period. No exceptions.

When a child finds a gun and picks it up and kills another child with it, that's not an accident. That's negligent homicide and should be treated as such.

No, not the child who found the weapon, the person who left the gun loaded, unattended, unlocked, unsecured, and accessible to a child. It’s your gun. YOU’RE responsible. YOU. Nobody else. If you leave a gun where an unauthorized person can get ahold of it, especially a child, then you are responsible for what happens after that. And you should be tried for negligent homicide and child endangerment and sent to prison and never, ever, under any circumstances be allowed to handle firearms again.

[Hangingon]

7. Whois Stonekettle?

[GusBob]

12. Stone kettle is the blog of Jim Wright

Ex Navy dude. Writes very strongly worded opinions, and very well thought out

He is a take no prisoners take no nonsense kinda guy

Stone Kettle Station is the blog. He's on Facebook as Jim Wright. ( might be James I will check

[TimeSnowDemos]

25. Yes and no, sadly

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but... there's 300,000,000 guns in America - gun death on an industrial scale is inevitable, not matter who you punish.

I am all for accountability, but... it's like blaming the abused kid for lashing out while ignoring the root cause. One doesn't JUSTIFY the other, but... it's just all too inevitable.

[LanternWaste]

34. Yes. Yes there are accidents. Many of them. Much as there are auto accidents.

There are no accidents with guns. There. Are. No. Accidents..."

Yes. Yes there are accidents. Many of them. Much as there are auto accidents.

Unless of course, you believe that an "undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss" is not accurate in regards to a weapon, but applicable to everything else.

[wolfie001]

31. Well!!!

So far I've been reading shooting after shooting where the parents of said shooter allowed their nutcase of a son to stockpile an arsenal. Just sayin.

[B2G]

32. First of all, depending on state laws,

if said shooter is over 18, the parents didn't 'allow' it. They had a legal right to purchase the weapons, which required zero parental permission. Whether or not they should have been flagged and not allowed to purchase them is another question.

And in all cases, if the child is under 18, it was completely illegal. And even then, you are assuming the parents condoned it. Read up on Columbine.

Do you have any citations you can provide to support your assertion that 'shooting after shooting where the parents of said shooter allowed their nutcase of a son to stockpile an arsenal'?

[dawg day]

54. Sandy Hook killer's mother did allow that

She was a "gun enthusiast" who taught him to shoot.
She was also his first victim.

[wolfie001]

55. Thanks dawg day!

These parent's are far more knowledgeable about their son's gun proclivities then they let on.

[B2G]

56. Yes, that's one example.

Although they weren't his guns she condoned his using them.

That seems to be the exception to the rule.

[TimeSnowDemos]

40. Yes but

America has 30k gun deaths a year. And has had for generations. There's a lot of scope for variation.

[Iggo]

6. It's the guns. (n/t)

[USALiberal]

9. We are a really violent country compared to countries like us....

Canada has a lot of guns also, but their murder rate is 7 times less than ours.

Guns are bad but why does this country want to kill so many people with them?

[FiveGoodMen]

11. We have Southern Baptists

The denomination that pre-approved Bush's Iraq invasion in the name of their god.

[Iggo]

13. Which is why we shouldn't have guns. (n/t)

[USALiberal]

14. Face is, we will always have guns.....

The Texas shooter used a shotgun that will never be banned. Ever!

We need to find out why people want to shoot up schools.

[Iggo]

15. They shoot because they have guns. (n/t)

[USALiberal]

16. Other countries don't. That is the issue. nt

[Iggo]

18. Exactly. Americans shouldn't have guns. (n/t)

[Botany]

5. Oh God no! A middle school?

[mainstreetonce]

8. When are the Santa Fe parents

going to be charged?

[d_r]

10. if we would start

charging parents and other adults who have their firearms used by minors, I think we would see a reduction in the use of firearms. Not only in school shootings but in the accidental shootings where a kid finds a gun and shoots their self or others. Try the parent for murder. They would get their day in court to explain the situation. In the Santa Fe Texas incident the shooter was 17 years old and under Texas law that is not a minor so the parents may never be charged. If we started doing that then I bet people would do a better job of securing their firearms.

[mainstreetonce]

36. I thought he is a minor undervthe law.

I read because he is a minor,he can't be eligible for the death penalty even though he can be charged as an adult.


I totally agree with you about the heed to start charging irresponsible owners with very strong chargesl

[d_r]

49. I heard that from some tv

May be wrong or I may have misheard it, sorry

[Cognitive_Resonance]

43. Criminal liability for failing to secure one's firearms is a major part of the solution

to these tragedies. If you want to own guns you should be held fully responsible for whatever is done with them. No excuses no exceptions. If you are not willing to own the full responsibility then you shouldn't own the guns.

[Jedi Guy]

51. Define "secured."

There is no such thing as foolproof security, whether it comes to computers or securing physical objects. If someone wants in badly enough, they'll find a way. If a gun owner leaves their weapon just lying around, then absolutely, nail them to the wall. If they've taken reasonable steps to secure the weapon and someone really goes above and beyond to get at it, not so much.

For instance, let's say I'm a gun owner (full disclosure: I'm not and never have been) and I have a nice, big, expensive gun safe. I go on vacation and while I'm gone, thieves break into my house and use tools (torch, lockpick, dynamite, whatever) to break open the safe and steal the guns. Upon returning home and discovering the theft, I alert the proper authorities and provide whatever data is requested. At some later point, one of those guns is used to commit a murder. Am I responsible for that murder?

[agtcovert]

17. You know, I think a little reality check is in order here

I work and live a few miles from where this happened. I have coworkers who left the office because their children go to this school. While I agree it's a cop out for people to say that the victims (and really, something like this victimizes everyone involved, not just those physically hurt) are in their thoughts and prayers, it breaks my heart to see people on here already looking to assign blame, try ram home a point we already all know. You're preaching to the choir. And we have no idea what happened yet, other than two people are seriously hurt, one's in custody, and some jackass has apparently texted in a threat to the high school where they moved everyone, so it's still a code red situation.

As I write this, I haven't seen a single post in support of the people whose lives were turned upside down today.

Children, parents, and those of us not directly involved are all scared. Scared for the safety of our children, scared that we have to worry about our children having to deal with this shit (and that our society allows this to continue).

I guess I'm just saying -- have a heart, stow the rhetoric for awhile. Most people coming to this site get it, believe me. Right now though, no one cares about much but getting their children to safety.

[Jokerman]

19. +1

[dembotoz]

20. +2

[Iggo]

23. Oh shit! Sorry.

Thoughts & Prayers.

[Demit]

38. DU is not exactly united on this topic, so expressing opinions isn't 'preaching to the choir'.

And telling people to 'stow the rhetoric for awhile' is eerily close to conservatives lecturing that 'now is not the time', or 'it's too soon to talk about it' or 'liberals are politicizing a tragedy'.

People are ANGRY. And our anger doesn't preclude sympathy for the victims or fear for every schoolkid it hasn't happened to yet. In fact, it is a very righteous outgrowth of the sadness & fear we all feel, both of which have been expressed here many times before.

[agtcovert]

61. I'm frustrated and angry as well.

Don't really appreciate the comparison you're drawing though. I don't know you, and you don't know me. I compartmentalize things and try to deal with the most pressing thing first and rhetoric isn't the most pressing thing (wasn't when I posted originally anyway).

I've come to this site a long, long time. Don't post often, but I do read a lot daily. I'm not lecturing, I'm pointing out my perception and something I didn't care for at the time: we can wring our hands over who should be accountable, serve jail time, be angry but that doesn't change that in this moment the people I know and care about don't give a damn about any of that, and neither do I right now.

Indiana, as I'm sure you know, is a "red state". Money notwithstanding, it's easier to get a permit to carry a weapon here than it is to obtain a driver's license. There's no test, no training. Just a couple of money orders/checks and a form. Knowing this, knowing people directly impacted by this today, I look at the bigger picture and I think there is a conclusion we can draw now, one that we can't escape, no matter how much people wish it wasn't so: this will happen again. And again. As palpable and righteous as our anger might be, it will invariably happen again. Which is why I would have rather hopped on here and not seen bitching about parents going to jail because they didn't lock their weapons up or whatever else I read at the time. It's a forum, so a hug, heart, just a '.' was something I came in search of. And I know people care, and I know their response doesn't preclude sympathy. It was just hard to separate that out earlier.

I suppose it would be easy to label me as defeatist here. I prefer 'realist' -- because our anger, right now, won't change much, regardless of the variance in opinion here or anywhere else in the country. I do think that seeds are being sown for a generation whose eyes will be open when they have the chance to be leaders. Then, maybe we'll see some real change.

[murielm99]

44. Thanks for saying this.

I know someone who lives there. He retired as a teacher and a state representative, and moved there. He was a Democrat, and he and his wife were involved in state politics here. They went there to be closer to their son.

I am sorry. I live close to Dixon IL, where we had a school shooting a short time ago. It is worse when you know the people, isn't it?

[Stuart G]

21. It is a suburb of Indianapolis Indiana, directly Northeast of Indianapolus..

population 59,000.

[bearsfootball516]

27. Minor detail, but it's Indianapolis

[Wwcd]

29. Thanks. Adding the Location is always appreciated.

Wonder where the tipping point will be, when America has finally had enough.

[Stuart G]

22. ..There have been 23 school shootings where someone was hurt or killed so far this year - an average

of one shooting a week....

[jpak]

26. The New Normal

Not of matter of "if" anymore.

Just "when" and "where".

[duforsure]

28. How much blood on their hands

Will it take for them to realize some forms of gun control are not only increasing the number of people killed from military designed weapons, but by not having full vetting of owners backgrounds checked, its putting them into people's hands that shouldn't have them at all. Ban assault weapons , and make full backgrounds checks for everyone, with no loopholes. Use yearly registrations that will increase fees for all weapons, especially higher ones more prone to be used in acts of violence. Maybe require insurance ? Inaction will no longer be tolerated anymore. Vote them out of office.

[Javaman]

30. bullets part of the school day

children live in fear

a day in America

[ehrnst]

33. Just another fucking Friday in the United States of America. (nt)

[DFW]

35. Good thing the supply of thoughts and prayers is still at 93% capacity

Being a Friday afternoon, and all, Republicans will say "now is not the time" to discuss it. After all, they were all looking forward to the weekend off. What do you think being a Republican member of Congress is, anyway? A full-time job or something?

[Iggo]

46. I gave upthread.

[DFW]

48. I just saw.

Indeed you did!

[Canoe52]

37. Fuck this shit.

So goddamed tired of it.

[sinkingfeeling]

39. Where is this? Indiana? I wish people would indicate where things

are happening in their OPs.

[Mollyann]

41. Law suit

The parents of one of the victims at Santa Fe are suing the shooter's parents.

[Squinch]

42. I bet the shooter had a thing for the girl that wasn't reciprocated.

[Iggo]

47. I bet he also had a gun he shouldn't have had.

[Squinch]

50. Yep. Both conditions are generally present.

[Blue_Tires]

45. Sadly the MSM is all transfixed on who is or isn't going to kneel during the anthem...

[KY_EnviroGuy]

52. That and every Twitter Fart that tRump unleashes on the world.

........

[KY_EnviroGuy]

53. Updates here (thanks for the OP, Jokerman)

See: http://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/what-we-know-about-noblesville-school-shooting/1198904253
(updated 4:4PM EDT)

(snip)

What we know about the suspect

While information about the suspect was limited early in the investigation, police confirmed they have detained a male student.
Authorities at the afternoon press conference said it did not appear the male student was injured.

News 8's Eric Feldman was in a Noblesville neighborhood where he saw police blocking off the intersection of Roxbury Lane and York Circle, an area that backs up onto Morse Reservoir. Neighbors told him they had seen FBI and ATF teams arrive in unmarked cars around 11:30 a.m. and described the home that appeared to be the focus of the investigation as "newer homeowners and a nice family."

............

[raven mad]

57. A chant from the past -

updated:

HEY, HEY, NRA!

HOW MANY KIDS DID YOU KILL TODAY?

[AllyCat]

58. Without reading further, I am assuming the shooter is white.

[Muslim from Mexico]

60. another day ending in 'y'

'Why' is already well-known: GOP cowardice before the NRA.