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kpete

(71,961 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:35 PM Aug 2012

Leader of Army Plot to Assassinate Obama Apparently Attended the '08 Republican Convention as a Page

Source: Gawker

Leader of Army Plot to Assassinate Obama Apparently Attended the 2008 Republican Convention as a Page




Isaac Aguigui, the Army private and alleged ringleader of a plot to assassinate Barack Obama and "take over" Ft. Stewart in Georgia, apparently served as a page at the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, Minn. That's his mug shot after he was arrested for the alleged murder of Pvt. Michael Roark on the left. At right is a 2008 Reuters photo with the caption: "Republican National Convention page Isaac Aguigui watches from the edge of the floor at the start of the first session of the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota September 1, 2008."
http://www.daylife.com/photo/00GB1AZdt20sC

Of course, there could be two Isaac Aguiguis who look startlingly alike. Aguigui, according to Georgia prosecutors, financed a plot to kill the president, take over Ft. Stewart and poison apple orchards in Washington state with a $500,000 insurance settlement he got last year after his wife's death. The group—its numbers are unknown—called itself F.E.A.R., for Forever Enduring, Always Ready.

Aguigui is one of four soldiers charged in Roark's death, allegedly because he was a "loose end" who threatened to foil their plans. According to the AP, Aguigui and his compatriots bore "distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol," but that's the extent of the reporting thus far on their political motives.

Read more: http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

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Leader of Army Plot to Assassinate Obama Apparently Attended the '08 Republican Convention as a Page (Original Post) kpete Aug 2012 OP
Of course. DeSwiss Aug 2012 #1
Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, age 19 today. NOT the same person it seems Coyotl Aug 2012 #9
Pages can be as young as 15. highplainsdem Aug 2012 #11
Correction. 15 is the minimum age for at least some GOP state conventions. National convention highplainsdem Aug 2012 #12
Does the guy on the right look like he is 15 years old? Coyotl Aug 2012 #16
He could be 15 or 16. Is Aguigui still 19, not 20? He was identified as 19 in highplainsdem Aug 2012 #19
Isn't image on left Roark, who he admits to kiiling with his girlfriend, downthread article? freshwest Aug 2012 #15
No. Neither image is of Roark. Both are of Aguigui. The left image is his mugshot. The right is.. Raster Aug 2012 #20
Thanks, yeah, I got confused at the links. Look at those dead eyes: freshwest Aug 2012 #28
yeah, the story was confusing. And yes, the eyes in the mugshot look dark, black. I have.... Raster Aug 2012 #30
I hope they can convict him of the murder his wife (and child) for that half million. And I have... freshwest Aug 2012 #31
The ears never lie. DeSwiss Aug 2012 #21
ditto. That's what I always look at. nilram Aug 2012 #24
So explain how a gangsta gets to be a page?? Read his MySpace page Coyotl Aug 2012 #32
See my reply #22 below. His father confirmed the RNC-page story, speaking to a KING-TV reporter. highplainsdem Aug 2012 #33
Got it. It is starting to turn into really bad news for Tampa Coyotl Aug 2012 #35
The raging hormones of youth..... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #36
Oh, for Pete's sake. Half the people on my block are named "Isaac Aguigui". KamaAina Aug 2012 #2
Who else funded him? Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #3
Makes You Wonder About DallasNE Aug 2012 #4
Yeah, "Wife's death" really raised a red flag with me, too NBachers Aug 2012 #10
Was the wife's death and insurance payout while he was still in the Army? leveymg Aug 2012 #42
Is this page the same person as the "highly suspicious" Army private? Coyotl Aug 2012 #5
Yes, you found it... And financed by the death of his pregnant woman... Allegedly. freshwest Aug 2012 #13
I'm shocked... And amazed.... Ohio Joe Aug 2012 #6
isaac aguigui myspace page phm Aug 2012 #7
Working in an assisted living facility in WA as a facilitator/housekeeper? freshwest Aug 2012 #18
There are still 119 people on MySpace? Nevernose Aug 2012 #25
George Zimmerman had one too, although he may have had to shut it down. freshwest Aug 2012 #29
seems damn near normal then Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #44
I'm Shocked! Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #8
Has Fox Noooze reported on this story? Mz Pip Aug 2012 #14
They will get on it as soon as the embarrassing mistaken identity is revealed. Coyotl Aug 2012 #17
Fox is busy photoshopping his face at all the OWS rallies Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #45
KING-TV, Seattle, reporter confirms Pvt. Aguigui was a page at 2008 convention highplainsdem Aug 2012 #22
Holy shit alfredo Aug 2012 #23
Pvt. Michael Roark appears to be a hero who paid an ultimate price Rene Aug 2012 #26
More about him and his family background, from the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hatewatch site: highplainsdem Aug 2012 #27
Home schooled n/t Coyotl Aug 2012 #34
PVT. DJFrey Aug 2012 #37
The headline might be a little misleading JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #38
Actually, it is completely mangled. Army Private leading plot ..... Coyotl Aug 2012 #39
Anarchist Leader In Assassination Plot Was Apparently A Page At The 2008 GOP Convention Coyotl Aug 2012 #40
the guy on the right has a name badge warrior1 Aug 2012 #41
This is not an ARMY plot - it is about the plot of 4 losers Big_Mike Aug 2012 #43
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
9. Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, age 19 today. NOT the same person it seems
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:33 PM
Aug 2012

unless the other image is of a 15 year old boy!

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
12. Correction. 15 is the minimum age for at least some GOP state conventions. National convention
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:49 PM
Aug 2012

might have a minimum age of 16.

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
19. He could be 15 or 16. Is Aguigui still 19, not 20? He was identified as 19 in
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:24 PM
Aug 2012

photo captions from late last year. Here's one of them:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/soldiers-charged-plot_livejpg/

**FILE** U.S. ArmySgt. Anthony Peden (left), 25, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, are led away in handcuffs Dec. 12, 2011, after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriff's Office in Ludowici, Ga.


He was 19 nearly 9 months ago. He could very well be 20 now.

And if he's 20 now, he was 16, old enough to be a page, at the RNC in 2008.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Isn't image on left Roark, who he admits to kiiling with his girlfriend, downthread article?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:55 PM
Aug 2012

And the insurance money he got from the death of his own pregnant woman is how he financed his terroristic actions.

Hate women much? Other humans much? He'd be at home with the American Taliban.

If I"m confused on these guys it's because my vision is blurred. I think that's how this is working out here.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
20. No. Neither image is of Roark. Both are of Aguigui. The left image is his mugshot. The right is..
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:52 PM
Aug 2012

...when he was a page at the RNC in 2008.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
28. Thanks, yeah, I got confused at the links. Look at those dead eyes:
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
Aug 2012
In a videotaped interview with military investigators, Aguigui referred to himself as "the nicest cold-blooded murderer you will ever meet."

http://www.heavy.com/news/2012/08/pfc-michael-burnett-the-anarchist-soldier-top-10-facts-you-need-to-know/

His friends killed a man along with his girl friend and he may have killed his own wife who was pregnant. Why these other guys are interested in associating with such a man, I don't know.

People reporting on the Koch meeting in CA when Greenpeace flew a ballon over their compound, said they were planning a revolution. So it's not all in the realm of public opinion.

I hate that we have to have a network of people seeking these people in the first place. Americans going along with this are pushing us into a police state, not saving us from it.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
30. yeah, the story was confusing. And yes, the eyes in the mugshot look dark, black. I have....
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:51 AM
Aug 2012

....no trouble imagining him murdering his pregnant wife. "the nicest cold-blooded murderer you will ever meet."

Okay, I'm creeped out.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. I hope they can convict him of the murder his wife (and child) for that half million. And I have...
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:57 AM
Aug 2012

A bad feeling that his intended acts of terrorism, and his crew's willingness to commit two murders, possibly more, was in line with their desire to have a place in some interim government. Financed by who, one might ask.

But some may already suspect, with Nordquist saying they only want to replace Obama with someone who will sign the bills that are handed to match their agenda. It seems so 1930-ish. Like they're planing Business Coup Part 2.

nilram

(2,886 posts)
24. ditto. That's what I always look at.
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:13 AM
Aug 2012

You can kind of see the cleft in the chin in the picture on the right, and the thickness of the lips is in the same ballpark. But the ear shape and configuration cinches it.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
32. So explain how a gangsta gets to be a page?? Read his MySpace page
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:05 AM
Aug 2012

and not how political it is === NOT!

People want to believe this story, to be sure, but until it is proven, don't run with it!!!!!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
35. Got it. It is starting to turn into really bad news for Tampa
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:16 AM
Aug 2012

God really must be a woman, given the timing of this information,
and she is taking the Republican War on Women seriously.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
36. The raging hormones of youth.....
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:18 AM
Aug 2012

...explain everything about the change in his features when comparing the earlier photograph with the more recent one. That, and the starchy Army diet he's been eating and the musculature he's added at their behest.

It's the same guy.

- Sorry, you'll have to find another windmill.....

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
4. Makes You Wonder About
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:58 PM
Aug 2012

The circumstances surrounding his wife's death. It might be time for authorities to take another look. Was the $500,000 from life insurance? This is not a very big settlement otherwise.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
42. Was the wife's death and insurance payout while he was still in the Army?
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

I'd be curious when the payout occurred, if indeed it has. I saw a report that says he funded the militia last year with the payout. Also, did the wife's death occur before or after he enlisted?

Anyone know the timeline?

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
5. Is this page the same person as the "highly suspicious" Army private?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:01 PM
Aug 2012
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1145552.1346097849!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/terror28n-1-web.jpg



================
http://www.heavy.com/news/2012/08/pfc-michael-burnett-the-anarchist-soldier-top-10-facts-you-need-to-know/
....
Aguigui funded the militia using $500,000 in insurance and benefit payments from the death of his pregnant wife a year ago. Aguigui was not charged in his wife's death, but prosecutor Isabel Pauley claims her death was "highly suspicious." ....

================
http://www.myspace.com/ElvenMercenary/photos/15743431



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Yes, you found it... And financed by the death of his pregnant woman... Allegedly.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:50 PM
Aug 2012

I wonder what they'd been offered by bigger money interests for carrying this off.

Although the men in orange are his accomplices, not him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. Working in an assisted living facility in WA as a facilitator/housekeeper?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:01 PM
Aug 2012

Washington state should check out this information. And he has 119 friends at his MySpace page.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
25. There are still 119 people on MySpace?
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:23 AM
Aug 2012

That's far more surprising than some right wing asshole plotting to kill the president.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. They will get on it as soon as the embarrassing mistaken identity is revealed.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:01 PM
Aug 2012

In other words, once it is known to not be a story at all, they can smear the people who made the big mistake.

Meanwhile, let's wait and see if these are one and the same person.

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
22. KING-TV, Seattle, reporter confirms Pvt. Aguigui was a page at 2008 convention
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
Aug 2012

From Twitter account of Chris Daniels, identified as "Emmy & Murrow Award winning KING TV Reporter," referring to Drew Mikkelson, whose Twitter account identifies him as "KING-5's South Bureau Chief."

http://twitter.com/ChrisDaniels5/status/240249641998905344

Chris Daniels ‏
@ChrisDaniels5

My colleague @drewmikk spoke w/father of alleged anarchist militia leader by phone today, & confirmed Isaac Aguigui was Page at RNC in 2008.


7:49 PM - 27 Aug 12


highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
27. More about him and his family background, from the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hatewatch site:
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:32 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/

Many of the firearms were purchased at High Mountain Hunting, a gun store in Wenatchee, Aguigui’s father, Ed Aguigui, confirmed today when contacted by Hatewatch. “We don’t talk about any of our customers’ purchases,” an employee at the gun store replied when asked about that today.

Ed Aguigui told Hatewatch that he had “no clue” as to the location of the land in Washington State that reportedly was purchased by his son and members of his militia group. “I served my country for 20 years and I honor that, take pride in that,” Ed Aguigui said when asked about his son’s alleged antigovernment activities. “I don’t know what my son’s views are, and where they came from.”

“The only thing I can say right now is this case is moving from the military to the state courts in Georgia,” Ed Aguigui said. “I don’t think it would be right to say much more at this point.”

The suspect’s grandmother, Gloria Aguigui, of East Wenatchee, Wash., said her large family is from Guam. Annette Aguigui, the suspect’s mother, homeschooled Isaac and his five brothers and sister while their father spent a career as a U.S. Army combat engineer. “When they were little kids, they weren’t even allowed to have guns,” Gloria Aguigui told Hatewatch. “Isaac never got into trouble, and was always helping out. I have no idea what happened.”
 

DJFrey

(19 posts)
37. PVT.
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:30 AM
Aug 2012

Privates don't lead successful coups against the gov., however this a really BAD intelligence indicator concerning the state of our country.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
38. The headline might be a little misleading
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 08:40 AM
Aug 2012

"The Army" is not plotting to assassinate the president. Just a couple of guys with loose screws.

I'd imagine the Secret Service has this weak threat contained.



 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
40. Anarchist Leader In Assassination Plot Was Apparently A Page At The 2008 GOP Convention
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 09:16 AM
Aug 2012

It is time to drop "apparently" from this 15-minute-old headline!

"One commenter on the Gawker story quipped about how long it would be before hyperbolic pundits like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh somehow tied this into a well-timed democratic conspiracy to sabotage the RNC. The timing is uncanny though. Break out the tinfoil hats folks."

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Anarchist Leader In Assassination Plot Was Apparently A Page At The 2008 GOP Convention

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/anarchist-leader-in-assassination-plot-was-republican-page-in-2008-convention-2012-8#ixzz24qWUAaiO

..... Aguigui allegedly started an Anarchist group that branded itself with anarchy tattoos, openly recruited, and stock piled weapons, in an alleged plot to overthrow the government and kill Barack Obama.

Their plan ran into a snag though ... a messy execution in the woods—leading to the eventual indictment ...



Big_Mike

(509 posts)
43. This is not an ARMY plot - it is about the plot of 4 losers
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 2012

What everyone must stop and think about is that this is four people out of 2.3 million service members. It is as generic as stating that blondes were planning to assassinate the President.

The military has been very, very good at tossing out extremists. Also, please note that the two dilwads pictured are being tried by local officials, not by courts-martial.

Also, their political beliefs are not mentioned, as the final graph in the OP states. After the ruckus with identifying Lochner from AZ and Holmes from CO as right wing was incorrect, let's wait see what exactly falls out.

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