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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:05 PM Aug 2012

Dam nears collapse due to Isaac; thousands reportedly evacuating

Source: NBC

Updated at 12 p.m. ET: Up to 50,000 people in Louisiana's Tangipahoa Parish were ordered to evacuate Thursday morning when water from Tropical Storm Isaac threatened to overwhelm a dam across the state line in Mississippi.

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Residents were given just 90 minutes to leave, parish spokesman Jeff McKneely told NBC affiliate WDSU-TV.

Mississippi officials, however, said they didn't think the volume of water in the 700-acre lake at Percy Quin State Park near McComb, Miss., would add enough flow to threaten communities downstream.


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I have two thoughts hollysmom Aug 2012 #1
This a dam in the Tangipahoa River. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #4
thanks, I didnt think - a dam is in a river hollysmom Aug 2012 #7
in a word or two azureblue Aug 2012 #15
Well *that* should reduce the traffic on DU ... Nihil Aug 2012 #31
I'm in Mobile Alabama liberalmike27 Aug 2012 #6
in my area people are asking for a buy out by the government (mostly republicans) hollysmom Aug 2012 #9
There is one thing the mall could do kentauros Aug 2012 #28
There is a government program that deals with acquisition of flood prone property. bluedigger Aug 2012 #13
"People should not live below sea level". So much for the Netherlands. rhett o rick Aug 2012 #8
I think you're right rhett o rick. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #10
At least the Netherlands MinneapolisMatt Aug 2012 #11
and I don't hollysmom Aug 2012 #12
you have not a clue about what you're talking about, do you? azureblue Aug 2012 #16
If you disagree just disagree hollysmom Aug 2012 #17
I find it disruptive to call a fellow DU poster "an idiot". nm rhett o rick Aug 2012 #21
Results of your Jury Service krawhitham Aug 2012 #23
I am appalled at this decision Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #27
I agree. Bad jury decision. kwassa Aug 2012 #30
there are some areas people should not build in like storm surge zones & low lying areas near rivers wordpix Aug 2012 #26
Then there were none... places to live, that is... 1monster Aug 2012 #19
Everyone should check out their flood defences sometime dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #20
Well that knocks out pretty much everything JoeyT Aug 2012 #32
got family in Vicksburg... FirstLight Aug 2012 #2
Yow - can the local police or fire dept. there check in on her? klook Aug 2012 #3
she's in vicksburg, not too close to mccomb... FirstLight Aug 2012 #5
Sorry, misread your post... klook Aug 2012 #22
This should not affect her. Vicksburg is on the Mississippi, but not the Tangipahoa. cbayer Aug 2012 #18
live link azureblue Aug 2012 #14
Talk to FEMA. They have some documentation on moving towns out of the floodplain... Scuba Aug 2012 #24
I hate to admit it but Jindal sounds good wordpix Aug 2012 #25
Hubby just back from moving family members revolution breeze Aug 2012 #29

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. I have two thoughts
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

1 - people should not live below sea level
2 - how many other places are in danger because of infrastructure cheapness

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
4. This a dam in the Tangipahoa River.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:27 PM
Aug 2012

This is not a sea level issue, but a man made dam failure issue.

I have three dams upriver of me. One lake is 34.9 sq miles in size, one is 10.21 sq miles the last is 611 acres. My lake is 29.58 sq miles in size. If any of these dams fail there are 100 of thousands, to millions of people, depending on which dam and the current lake level, who will be impacted because we're so far above sea level.

Just wanted to point that out.

As to the lack of infrastructure, I can't understand them not having used the federal money recently available for repairs. Maybe it's just overwhelming it so much it's caused a small breach? I don't know.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
7. thanks, I didnt think - a dam is in a river
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
Aug 2012

I just feel the government has failed so much in this state, is is corruption, ignorance or just neglect by the feds?

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
15. in a word or two
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:04 PM
Aug 2012


This instance is simply an act of nature and has nothing to do with government. Please do not post responses until you understand the situation..

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
31. Well *that* should reduce the traffic on DU ...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:33 AM
Aug 2012

> Please do not post responses until you understand the situation..



liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
6. I'm in Mobile Alabama
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:40 PM
Aug 2012

It's three days since Isaac brought the rain. It's nearly noon, and still dark as dusk outside, raining, windy. This hasn't been a particularly strong storm, but it's been big, and has some amazing staying power.

I'm about ready for it to move along and bring rain to the drought affected plains.

I'm beginning to wonder if we shouldn't have some kind of government program of buying up homes in these areas, and let them become once again, watershed areas. Either that, or perhaps put up double-levees, like the Dutch do--though I think some of theirs are tripled.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
9. in my area people are asking for a buy out by the government (mostly republicans)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:57 PM
Aug 2012

The houses were built in a normal place, but after they built up a mall in a flood plain, the houses are toast every rain storm. Seems to me that the mall should buy them out.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
28. There is one thing the mall could do
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:07 PM
Aug 2012

(or be required through regulation to do) : build retaining ponds.

When Tropical Storm Allison devastated Houston in 2001 with catastrophic floods, the City of Houston (or maybe the Corps of Engineers) began building retaining ponds all along the major bayous/ditches throughout the city. We haven't had a catastrophic flood like that since, but by the looks of just how many they have built, I'd say any future flooding will be reduced. No matter what, you can't stop the kind of flooding you get from a storm that sits on top of you, pumping moist air from the Gulf in the form of deluges on the ground. But you can alleviate it to an extent.

Here's an example of some large ponds, with some huge ones further to the east of this area (just follow the ditch/waterway to see them.)

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.883183,-95.544384&spn=0.008819,0.012735&t=h&z=17

Those republicans could keep their homes if they lobbied the local city or state to build retaining ponds instead. Everybody wins that way, as you get additional green space, water space, and save people's homes

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
13. There is a government program that deals with acquisition of flood prone property.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:15 PM
Aug 2012

It's part of FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program. http://www.fema.gov/hazard-mitigation-grant-program

It allows the government to buy and return properties to greenspace, along with several other approaches to deal with repetitive losses. Like any government program it is limited by funding in what it can do, i.e. the Federal government can't buy all of southern Louisiana and the Gulf Coast.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. "People should not live below sea level". So much for the Netherlands.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:43 PM
Aug 2012

According to that thinking, people shouldnt live in flood plains, in the path of hurricanes, in tornado area, near forest fire prone areas, along earthquake fault lines, etc.

I would like to see the legislation that will do all that.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
10. I think you're right rhett o rick.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
Aug 2012

For may whole life (60 some years) the Federal government has been declaring these flood zones disaster areas every rainy season yet people are still building and buying homes there. I suppose you're post is sarcasm but there is a lot to consider.

MinneapolisMatt

(1,550 posts)
11. At least the Netherlands
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
Aug 2012

is prepared for living under sea level.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4847805

Heaven forbid the government (read: Republicans) invest in our infrastructure!!

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
12. and I don't
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
Aug 2012

If people are allowed/encouraged to live below sea level, the government should damn well see that the area is maintained and strong enough.

If they are discouraged or warned against it, not the government's problem. see North Carolina and sea level warnings for states that should be responsible.

The Netherlands has built their dike ++++ over expected water and have only flooded a few times

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
16. you have not a clue about what you're talking about, do you?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:07 PM
Aug 2012

only half of New Orleans is below sea level, and this flooding is not in the city, in areas that are north of it, that are above sea level. You're an idiot.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
17. If you disagree just disagree
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

I don't believe in being rude and driving democrats away from this site, i understand that not everyone is capable of being polite.

krawhitham

(4,641 posts)
23. Results of your Jury Service
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 04:07 PM
Aug 2012

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Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
27. I am appalled at this decision
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:26 PM
Aug 2012

No one on this site should be able to call another member an idiot. JMO

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
26. there are some areas people should not build in like storm surge zones & low lying areas near rivers
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:36 PM
Aug 2012

People want to build near water to have the view and sound of water lapping at their doorstep. I get it. But when a big storm arrives, the sweet sound of quiet waves on the shoreline becomes a roar that threatens lives. Some places should just not be built on. Besides, the shorelines belong to everyone and should not be shut off from view or from physical structures, IMO.

My bro and his wife bought property on the NC shore to build on years ago but gradually their shoreline was eaten away. Good thing they didn't build. They sold the property but for very little. It was good for camping but building a house? You've gotta be nuts.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
32. Well that knocks out pretty much everything
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:29 AM
Aug 2012

in the US but the NE. Unless you go and add blizzards to that list.

FirstLight

(13,359 posts)
2. got family in Vicksburg...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

my mom is calling right now to check in and make sure her cousin is okay.... she's elderly and alone and our other family back there are on vacay so we don;t know who in the neighborhood is around to take care of her... hope she is okay

klook

(12,154 posts)
3. Yow - can the local police or fire dept. there check in on her?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:22 PM
Aug 2012

I have an elderly mom myself, though not in the flood zone, so I can imagine your anxiety. Best of luck to your mom and hope the waters start receding soon.

FirstLight

(13,359 posts)
5. she's in vicksburg, not too close to mccomb...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:27 PM
Aug 2012

and the house is on pretty high ground...but we are more worried about the trees and winds, there's tons of BIG old pecan trees all through her neighborhood...

I'm sure if my mom can't get a hold of her, she'll make some more calls. I'm thinking cousin mary elizabeth is a pretty hardy old bird she's probably just sitting in her living room, reading by lamplight...

klook

(12,154 posts)
22. Sorry, misread your post...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:45 PM
Aug 2012

Glad your mom is out of harm's way and I hope her cousin will make it through OK.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
24. Talk to FEMA. They have some documentation on moving towns out of the floodplain...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 05:22 PM
Aug 2012
http://emergencymanagement.wi.gov/mitigation/stories/Crawford_Reflects.pdf

Village of Soldiers Grove, WI – In August 2007, the biggest flood in the history of
Soldiers Grove came roaring through the village. The Kickapoo River quickly topped
the levees, and water didn’t recede for about 10 days. Years earlier the center to the
town had been moved.

Residents experienced floods in 1907, 1912, 1917, 1935, 1951, and the “big one” in
1978. From 1969 to 2007, the state had 25 nationally declared flood disasters in 38
years. The flood of record in 2007 inflicted the worst damage in the state just 10 miles
downstream in Gays Mills.




1951 flood pics...



http://www.soldiersgrove.com/Floods.htm



1978 flood...



revolution breeze

(879 posts)
29. Hubby just back from moving family members
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:28 PM
Aug 2012

Farmland in Independence right on the Tangipahoa River. Had to move livestock to higher ground. Cousin stayed because the sheriff told him once he is out, no coming back in and he has to be there to care for his cattle. He set up his travel trailer and generator on his highest ground. Another sleepless night.

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