Dam nears collapse due to Isaac; thousands reportedly evacuating
Source: NBC
Updated at 12 p.m. ET: Up to 50,000 people in Louisiana's Tangipahoa Parish were ordered to evacuate Thursday morning when water from Tropical Storm Isaac threatened to overwhelm a dam across the state line in Mississippi.
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Residents were given just 90 minutes to leave, parish spokesman Jeff McKneely told NBC affiliate WDSU-TV.
Mississippi officials, however, said they didn't think the volume of water in the 700-acre lake at Percy Quin State Park near McComb, Miss., would add enough flow to threaten communities downstream.
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hollysmom
(5,946 posts)1 - people should not live below sea level
2 - how many other places are in danger because of infrastructure cheapness
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)This is not a sea level issue, but a man made dam failure issue.
I have three dams upriver of me. One lake is 34.9 sq miles in size, one is 10.21 sq miles the last is 611 acres. My lake is 29.58 sq miles in size. If any of these dams fail there are 100 of thousands, to millions of people, depending on which dam and the current lake level, who will be impacted because we're so far above sea level.
Just wanted to point that out.
As to the lack of infrastructure, I can't understand them not having used the federal money recently available for repairs. Maybe it's just overwhelming it so much it's caused a small breach? I don't know.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I just feel the government has failed so much in this state, is is corruption, ignorance or just neglect by the feds?
azureblue
(2,146 posts)This instance is simply an act of nature and has nothing to do with government. Please do not post responses until you understand the situation..
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> Please do not post responses until you understand the situation..
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)It's three days since Isaac brought the rain. It's nearly noon, and still dark as dusk outside, raining, windy. This hasn't been a particularly strong storm, but it's been big, and has some amazing staying power.
I'm about ready for it to move along and bring rain to the drought affected plains.
I'm beginning to wonder if we shouldn't have some kind of government program of buying up homes in these areas, and let them become once again, watershed areas. Either that, or perhaps put up double-levees, like the Dutch do--though I think some of theirs are tripled.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)The houses were built in a normal place, but after they built up a mall in a flood plain, the houses are toast every rain storm. Seems to me that the mall should buy them out.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)(or be required through regulation to do) : build retaining ponds.
When Tropical Storm Allison devastated Houston in 2001 with catastrophic floods, the City of Houston (or maybe the Corps of Engineers) began building retaining ponds all along the major bayous/ditches throughout the city. We haven't had a catastrophic flood like that since, but by the looks of just how many they have built, I'd say any future flooding will be reduced. No matter what, you can't stop the kind of flooding you get from a storm that sits on top of you, pumping moist air from the Gulf in the form of deluges on the ground. But you can alleviate it to an extent.
Here's an example of some large ponds, with some huge ones further to the east of this area (just follow the ditch/waterway to see them.)
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.883183,-95.544384&spn=0.008819,0.012735&t=h&z=17
Those republicans could keep their homes if they lobbied the local city or state to build retaining ponds instead. Everybody wins that way, as you get additional green space, water space, and save people's homes
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)It's part of FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program. http://www.fema.gov/hazard-mitigation-grant-program
It allows the government to buy and return properties to greenspace, along with several other approaches to deal with repetitive losses. Like any government program it is limited by funding in what it can do, i.e. the Federal government can't buy all of southern Louisiana and the Gulf Coast.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)According to that thinking, people shouldnt live in flood plains, in the path of hurricanes, in tornado area, near forest fire prone areas, along earthquake fault lines, etc.
I would like to see the legislation that will do all that.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)For may whole life (60 some years) the Federal government has been declaring these flood zones disaster areas every rainy season yet people are still building and buying homes there. I suppose you're post is sarcasm but there is a lot to consider.
MinneapolisMatt
(1,550 posts)is prepared for living under sea level.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4847805
Heaven forbid the government (read: Republicans) invest in our infrastructure!!
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)If people are allowed/encouraged to live below sea level, the government should damn well see that the area is maintained and strong enough.
If they are discouraged or warned against it, not the government's problem. see North Carolina and sea level warnings for states that should be responsible.
The Netherlands has built their dike ++++ over expected water and have only flooded a few times
azureblue
(2,146 posts)only half of New Orleans is below sea level, and this flooding is not in the city, in areas that are north of it, that are above sea level. You're an idiot.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I don't believe in being rude and driving democrats away from this site, i understand that not everyone is capable of being polite.
rhett o rick
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Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)No one on this site should be able to call another member an idiot. JMO
kwassa
(23,340 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)People want to build near water to have the view and sound of water lapping at their doorstep. I get it. But when a big storm arrives, the sweet sound of quiet waves on the shoreline becomes a roar that threatens lives. Some places should just not be built on. Besides, the shorelines belong to everyone and should not be shut off from view or from physical structures, IMO.
My bro and his wife bought property on the NC shore to build on years ago but gradually their shoreline was eaten away. Good thing they didn't build. They sold the property but for very little. It was good for camping but building a house? You've gotta be nuts.
1monster
(11,012 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Possibly the worlds best.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)in the US but the NE. Unless you go and add blizzards to that list.
FirstLight
(13,359 posts)my mom is calling right now to check in and make sure her cousin is okay.... she's elderly and alone and our other family back there are on vacay so we don;t know who in the neighborhood is around to take care of her... hope she is okay
klook
(12,154 posts)I have an elderly mom myself, though not in the flood zone, so I can imagine your anxiety. Best of luck to your mom and hope the waters start receding soon.
FirstLight
(13,359 posts)and the house is on pretty high ground...but we are more worried about the trees and winds, there's tons of BIG old pecan trees all through her neighborhood...
I'm sure if my mom can't get a hold of her, she'll make some more calls. I'm thinking cousin mary elizabeth is a pretty hardy old bird she's probably just sitting in her living room, reading by lamplight...
klook
(12,154 posts)Glad your mom is out of harm's way and I hope her cousin will make it through OK.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Soldiers Grove came roaring through the village. The Kickapoo River quickly topped
the levees, and water didnt recede for about 10 days. Years earlier the center to the
town had been moved.
Residents experienced floods in 1907, 1912, 1917, 1935, 1951, and the big one in
1978. From 1969 to 2007, the state had 25 nationally declared flood disasters in 38
years. The flood of record in 2007 inflicted the worst damage in the state just 10 miles
downstream in Gays Mills.
1951 flood pics...
http://www.soldiersgrove.com/Floods.htm
1978 flood...
wordpix
(18,652 posts)revolution breeze
(879 posts)Farmland in Independence right on the Tangipahoa River. Had to move livestock to higher ground. Cousin stayed because the sheriff told him once he is out, no coming back in and he has to be there to care for his cattle. He set up his travel trailer and generator on his highest ground. Another sleepless night.