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Omaha Steve

(99,573 posts)
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:21 AM Jan 2012

USDA to close 259 offices


http://www.omaha.com/article/20120110/NEWS01/701109921/0#usda-to-close-259-offices

DES MOINES — The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Monday that it will close nearly 260 offices nationwide, a move that won praise for cutting costs but raised concerns about the possible effect on food safety.

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said the goal was to save $150 million a year in the department's $145 billion budget. About $90 million had already been saved by reducing travel and supplies, and the closings were expected to save another $60 million, he said.

The plan calls for 259 offices, labs and other facilities to be closed, affecting the USDA headquarters in Washington and operations in 46 states. Seven foreign offices also will be closed.

Some of the closings had been previously announced. The USDA said last year it would shut down 10 agricultural research stations, including the only one in Alaska, where scientists were seeking ways to use the vast waste generated by the largest wild fishery in the nation to make everything from gel caps to fish meal for livestock feed.

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USDA to close 259 offices (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2012 OP
Massive recalls will continue until those laws are taken off the books too lunatica Jan 2012 #1
Great example of 'penny wise and pound foolish' CurtEastPoint Jan 2012 #2
What are they doing about stopping GMO Frankenfood? nt Trillo Jan 2012 #4
ha - yeah, that will happen! dana_b Jan 2012 #23
Never mind the people the oil companies need more subsidies. "Let Them Eat Posion" n/t fasttense Jan 2012 #3
Yep. nt raouldukelives Jan 2012 #22
Now watch the Tea Party farmers scream to their congressmen. CanonRay Jan 2012 #5
Yikes. marmar Jan 2012 #6
Queue Monsanto's death star music. nt Javaman Jan 2012 #7
laughed or cried? nt mucifer Jan 2012 #8
Monsanto Vilsack strikes again Renew Deal Jan 2012 #9
I hate to say, but this makes me think of the cost of marijuana enforcement bhikkhu Jan 2012 #10
Seriously? They have GOT to be kidding! Not only will foods be glinda Jan 2012 #11
Link to map of closures: glinda Jan 2012 #12
Thanks for that Renew Deal Jan 2012 #13
They're closing the NRCS office in LA County? XemaSab Jan 2012 #16
wow, what a horrible idea/plan! CountAllVotes Jan 2012 #14
Several in NY, but all upstate Renew Deal Jan 2012 #15
Upstate is Rural. WTF? SharonAnn Jan 2012 #21
Lots of natural resources to pillage perhaps? Hey how about a wolf hunt!!!!! glinda Jan 2012 #26
This is horrendous news. This will be devastating for our country. CottonBear Jan 2012 #17
Hey, it was either food safety or bridge safety... Scuba Jan 2012 #18
One thing is for sure SOS Jan 2012 #19
Bad, bad idea n/t OhioChick Jan 2012 #20
As someone who has worked in the food industry Nikia Jan 2012 #24
The safety of the food supply affects everybody. This is one department that should be LibDemAlways Jan 2012 #25
Sorry your little girl died from food poisoning gratuitous Jan 2012 #27
USDA only regulates 20% of the food. BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #29
And none of that 20% of food makes its way to little girls' plates? gratuitous Jan 2012 #30
The point being BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #38
As far as the percentage goes, kentauros Jan 2012 #31
The office closings are supposed to save $60 million gratuitous Jan 2012 #32
That's true. kentauros Jan 2012 #34
Don't be Scared: Monsanto LOVES You DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #28
This is terrible - the amount saved is hedgehog Jan 2012 #33
You don't need labs and field offices to check food safety. philly_bob Jan 2012 #35
What the corporations BOUGHT---they GET... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #36
Hey, that saves each of us TWENTY CENTS PER YEAR! 260 offices. Festivito Jan 2012 #37

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. Massive recalls will continue until those laws are taken off the books too
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jan 2012

Then life will finally be the glorious reality that Republicans Vision it to be. Heaven on Earth, just like God wants.

CurtEastPoint

(18,638 posts)
2. Great example of 'penny wise and pound foolish'
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:26 AM
Jan 2012

The USDA is a good example of our tax dollars actually working. Can some fat be cut? Probably. Mass closures are not a good solution.

Renew Deal

(81,852 posts)
9. Monsanto Vilsack strikes again
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jan 2012

Probably the single worst cabinet pick by Obama.

<snip>
Vilsack said he didn't expect widespread layoffs, in part because 7,000 USDA employees took early retirements over the past year. He said the department is trying to do more with less in light of federal cutbacks, and many of the offices to be closed had few employees or were near other offices.

"Our workload is at record highs, we have less money and fewer people and work to do, and we tried to address how do you do that without interrupting service," Vilsack said in a phone call from Honolulu, where he was speaking to the American Farm Bureau Federation.

The USDA manages a wide array of programs, from emergency aid to farmers to grants for rural development and food assistance programs for the poor. Along with the Agricultural Research Service and Food Safety and Inspection Service, six other departments will be affected by closings, including the Farm Service Agency and Rural Development.
<snip>

"The capability to collect data and do the behind-the-scenes activities that really help U.S. agriculture stay safe, that should be concerning," Babcock said.
<snip>

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
10. I hate to say, but this makes me think of the cost of marijuana enforcement
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jan 2012

...and how many better places there are to spend the scarce funds that we do have.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
11. Seriously? They have GOT to be kidding! Not only will foods be
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jan 2012

unregulated but puppy mills also. (as if they are effective now....NOT!)

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
14. wow, what a horrible idea/plan!
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jan 2012

I got my house via the USDA Rural Housing Program 10+ years ago. Without them, I'd still be living in a dump somewhere freezing my ass off! Said house was a mess and required lots of work but it is a house nonetheless. I'm glad to have it and so would many others out there.

is wrong with these people anyway?:

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
17. This is horrendous news. This will be devastating for our country.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jan 2012

A federal USDA research station is slated for closure in the area of Georgia where I live. The state land grant university may take it over and continue the research. However, the state university also recently closed one of its local agricultural research facilities. The land is going to be sold to developers. Meanwhile, the Georgia state GOP continues to cut university system funding and technical college funding.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
18. Hey, it was either food safety or bridge safety...
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jan 2012

... and since neither is as important as cutting costs, they both had to go.

SOS

(7,048 posts)
19. One thing is for sure
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jan 2012

The luxurious Washington offices of appointed USDA officials will remain open
for business.

The former executives from ConAgra, Infinity Pork,
National Cattleman's Beef Association, Monsanto, General Mills,
The National Pork Board and Campbell's Soup will remain.

They have important stock prices to prop up.

Nikia

(11,411 posts)
24. As someone who has worked in the food industry
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jan 2012

This is a horrible idea. They should be expanding, not cutting. Cutting that many offices is unacceptable.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
25. The safety of the food supply affects everybody. This is one department that should be
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jan 2012

funded to the max. A better plan would be to shut down 259 military recruiting offices and close a couple dozen overseas bases. There is no more bloated department than the Defense Department.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
27. Sorry your little girl died from food poisoning
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
Jan 2012

But wowsers, we cut $60 million out of a $145 billion annual budget. That's almost, uhhhhhh, well, it's a LOT! Percentages are irrelevant in a case like this.

Gosh, if only that wildly popular President Obama had some authority over the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. And none of that 20% of food makes its way to little girls' plates?
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jan 2012

Well, that's a relief! Wonder why there's a Department of Agriculture at all, since it apparently doesn't do anything worthwhile. Unless you eat some of that 20% of food regulated by the USDA, which apparently little girls do not.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
38. The point being
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:11 AM
Jan 2012

the (IMHO) mis-allocation of funds to the problem. You can throw money at something and watch it disappear into a black hole or perhaps close some of the entrances to that hole and shift the money to what has been assigned 80% of the oversight but only gets 20% of the funding, and continues to be perpetually starved (thanks to the Michelle Bachmanns of the world that would rather perpetuate the ag trough at the expense of the other major regulator - FDA).

My issue with your argument was the assumption that closure of these rural offices at USDA would somehow have a major impact on anything to do with the food supply (USDA doesn't only do food), whereas the outrage needs to be redirected to support of the primary regulator which was gutted during the Clinton years, when half of FDA's labs were closed, and that was left to wither on the vine under Shrub, and now, having only recently been given some resources, will surely be back under the chopping block once more if Cheeto has any say in the matter. Oh well...

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
31. As far as the percentage goes,
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:18 PM
Jan 2012

you mean the fact that $150,000,000 saved out of $145,000,000,000 equals 0.1% of the total budget? That irrelevant percentage?

So, with an estimated population of 312,827,000 in the U.S., that works out to about 48 cents per person. For those that can't spare those extra cents, I'll gladly pitch in some more to cover it

How much expenditure-waste is there at the Pentagon per day again?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
32. The office closings are supposed to save $60 million
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jan 2012

The total savings so far is about $150 million. Yeah, I was trying to make the point that saving $60 million out of an annual budget of $145 billion wasn't very much, percentage-wise. So look for the "savings" to be trumpeted in dollars-and-cents, rather than percentages.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
34. That's true.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jan 2012

At least until someone points out how minuscule that amount is in comparison. I doubt they'd get much airtime, though, and certainly none after the first time.

There are communications satellites (and military satellites) that cost more than the total savings! And that's just for one. The cost of those 259 offices works out to about $232,000 per year. That's really a bargain, considering that cost is also for salaries and whatever the other costs for operating an office like that. It's not like the people employed were getting rich off the government dole. It will be spun that way, of course, and that's just plain sad.

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
35. You don't need labs and field offices to check food safety.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:18 PM
Jan 2012

You simply require manufacturers to certify that the food is safe and trust them to recall unsafe foods.

What could go wrong?

<SARCASM>

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
36. What the corporations BOUGHT---they GET...
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:53 AM
Jan 2012

The corporations involved in our food supply do not want them government regulating them, inspecting their
farms, warehouses or production lines.

So we cut money for inspectors and regulators who ensure that our food is safely grown, processed and handled.

These big Ag and Big Food corporations want to cut costs. They want more profit at the top--and complying
with regulations and keeping the food supply safe--is just not cost effective for them.

Make no mistake--this is happening because the corporations want it to happen.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
37. Hey, that saves each of us TWENTY CENTS PER YEAR! 260 offices.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 07:18 AM
Jan 2012

That's if we're each paying $12,000 a year in taxes.

It saved me less. About five cents.

But, if I survive for another five years, that will add up to a quarter.

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