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Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:31 AM Nov 2018

Active shooter and multiple victims reported at Thousand Oaks bar

Source: Los Angeles Times

By JAMES QUEALLY , RICHARD WINTON , ALENE TCHEKMEDYIAN and SEAN GREENE
NOV 08, 2018 12:15 AM

Police were responding to reports of a mass shooting that left several people injured and may have led to casualties Wednesday night inside a Thousand Oaks bar.
Emergency crews were responding to an "active shooter" inside the Borderline Bar & Grill, according to a tweet from the Ventura County Fire Department.

One law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told The Times that at least 30 shots had been fired and that there are casualties.

According to witnesses at the scene, someone ran into the bar around 11:30 p.m. and started firing what appeared to be a black pistol.
"He shot a lot, at least 30 times. I could still hear gunshots after everyone left," said the person, who did not give a name.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-thousand-oaks-20181107-story.html

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Active shooter and multiple victims reported at Thousand Oaks bar (Original Post) Chicago1980 Nov 2018 OP
Link to The Independent nitpicker Nov 2018 #1
Huffington Post:Mass Shooting Reported At Borderline Bar & Grill In Thousand Oaks, California Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #2
Six wounded per The Gusardian nitpicker Nov 2018 #3
The bar has a country theme to it. joshcryer Nov 2018 #4
It may also be a patron expressing his "freedom" RhodeIslandOne Nov 2018 #5
The more I'm digging I'm thinking right leaning incel enacting revenge. joshcryer Nov 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea Nov 2018 #14
Because freedom frys on are the menu you draw that conclusion? Merlot Nov 2018 #37
Just heard a local breaking news with a CBS reporting that there are fatalities BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #7
local coverage includes accounts of many students. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2018 #8
Apparently they were grabbing injured people so probably used shirts to wipe off blood. joshcryer Nov 2018 #9
my sister thought they used shirts to cover hands while breaking windows. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2018 #45
MSNBC is covering this. There's going to be a press conference Silver Gaia Nov 2018 #10
Now a live update thread from The Independent nitpicker Nov 2018 #11
In England The King of Prussia Nov 2018 #12
The military uses the British definition. NutmegYankee Nov 2018 #17
Semantics whathehell Nov 2018 #18
I was drawing attention to the fact that you are inured to gun violence in a way that we are not. The King of Prussia Nov 2018 #38
I understand that was your intent.. The problem is whathehell Nov 2018 #48
I live in the area. There is only LibDemAlways Nov 2018 #13
12 Fatalaties n/t Cetacea Nov 2018 #15
12 victims killed, one of them a deputy Silver Gaia Nov 2018 #16
10 or 15 wounded Silver Gaia Nov 2018 #19
Most handguns are semi automatic. NutmegYankee Nov 2018 #25
Prayers for The Victims... LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #20
When will the madness end? Archae Nov 2018 #21
Just another day in gunslinging America. milestogo Nov 2018 #22
Right, seems like people are barely talking about this. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #23
Let me guess the shooter ... Botany Nov 2018 #24
Ex Marine with documented mental problems. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #46
Horrible Richard D Nov 2018 #26
Dana Loesch's nipples are hardening right about now... Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #27
I hate that skank. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #47
WSJ identified shooter as Ian Long exboyfil Nov 2018 #28
29-year old male, drove his mother's car to the shooting. n/t FSogol Nov 2018 #29
Did he live in her basement? exboyfil Nov 2018 #31
28 year-old Military Vet from Newbury Park Roland99 Nov 2018 #33
Glock handgun with 11 rounds plus extended magazine, according to Sheriff just now. JudyM Nov 2018 #30
So work through Trump's scenario exboyfil Nov 2018 #34
Apparently mental health experts had cleared him but he may have had PTSD, acc. to CNN. JudyM Nov 2018 #35
One of the men on the scene was wearing a ... CountAllVotes Nov 2018 #32
Doesn't matter, he still doesn't deserve to be shot Retrograde Nov 2018 #41
Ian David Long - the shooter's name Politicub Nov 2018 #36
Soldiers are gunning us down RussBLib Nov 2018 #39
One victim's father BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #40
So heartbreaking! Akacia Nov 2018 #43
Me too BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #44
Maybe he hated his student debt? nitpicker Nov 2018 #42

Judi Lynn

(160,451 posts)
2. Huffington Post:Mass Shooting Reported At Borderline Bar & Grill In Thousand Oaks, California
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:22 AM
Nov 2018

Just heard on MSNBC from a cop that there are casualties, and multiple dead...

Also said there were several hundred inside at the time of the shootings.



U.S. NEWS 11/08/2018 03:10 am ET Updated 24 minutes ago

At least one gunman opened fire at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks on Wednesday night, according to local reports.
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By Dominique Mosbergen
Multiple people were reportedly injured after at least one gunman opened fire at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, late Wednesday.

Police officers were called to Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks at around 11:20 p.m., The Ventura County Star reported. Officers at the scene told the newspaper that about 30 shots had been fired. At least four ambulances were called to the area to treat victims.

The Ventura County Fire Department confirmed just after midnight that there had been reports of “multiple injuries” at the bar.

“Please stay away from area,” the department urged in a tweet.

More:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thousand-oaks-bar-shooting_us_5be3ea98e4b0769d24c93ee0

~ ~ ~

Newsweek:

THOUSAND OAKS MASS SHOOTING LIVE UPDATES: LATEST FROM BORDERLINE BAR AND GRILL ATTACK IN CALIFORNIA
BY EWAN PALMER ON 11/8/18 AT 2:56 AM

03:55

More from eyewitness John Hedge, who was inside the bar at thee time of the shooting.

"I was at the front door and I was talking to my stepdad. I just started hearing these big pops, pop, pop, pop,” Hedge told ABC7 Eyewitness News.

“There was probably three or four, I hit the ground. I look up—the security guard is dead…well, I don't want to say he was dead, but he was shot. He was down.

“The gunman was throwing smoke grenades all over the place. I saw him point to the back of the cash register...and he just kept firing. I ran out the front door.”

More:
https://www.newsweek.com/thousand-oaks-mass-shooting-latest-borderline-bar-and-grill-attack-california-1206448

~ ~ ~

Mass shooting at Southern California bar

Associated Press
3:34 AM, Nov 8, 2018
1 min ago

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. (AP) — Authorities say at least six people were shot — including a deputy — late Wednesday when a suspect opened fire in a crowded Southern California bar.

Police tell the Ventura County Star that the initial report came around 11:20 p.m. that a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, which is about 40 miles west of Los Angeles.

The extent of the victims’ injuries is not immediately known.

Ventura County Sheriff’s Office Capt. Garo Kuredjian said late Wednesday that it is still “a very active scene.”

More:
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/mass-shooting-at-southern-california-bar?autoplay=true






joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
4. The bar has a country theme to it.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:28 AM
Nov 2018

"Freedom fries" are an actual menu item.

This may be a left leaning attacker. Be prepared.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
6. The more I'm digging I'm thinking right leaning incel enacting revenge.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:46 AM
Nov 2018

Will have to wait until it plays out but details are white, bearded male with trenchcost and glasses. The first person he executed was the cute hostess and then went on random people.

Response to joshcryer (Reply #6)

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
37. Because freedom frys on are the menu you draw that conclusion?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Nov 2018

How many left leaning suspects have there been in mass shootings so far?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,087 posts)
8. local coverage includes accounts of many students.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:22 AM
Nov 2018

College Night and Line Dancing. One guy with a hand gun dressed in black. Many differing accounts of his status and his weapon(s). Smoke bombs apparently. The police spokesperson wasn't aware after over an hour.

People/media ready to heap praise on police response. I beg to differ.

Oddly, several of the college dancing guys seemed to have lost their shirts. I counted 3 without them.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
9. Apparently they were grabbing injured people so probably used shirts to wipe off blood.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:36 AM
Nov 2018

Or tourniquet / gauze pack. Lot of heroes here. They busted a window very quickly and people escaped right away. Quick thinking by those guys, saved like 30 people.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
11. Now a live update thread from The Independent
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:40 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/thousand-oaks-shooting-live-updates-today-california-borderline-bar-grills-victims-injuries-police-a8623381.html

((Carrying live video of KABC-7 TV))

Several people have been killed and around a dozen others injured in a shooting at a bar hosting an event for college students in California.

A gunman reportedly used smoke grenades before firing into a crowd of around 200 people at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, 40 miles northwest of Los Angeles, at 11.20pm local time.

“There are multiple fatalities,” said Eric Buschow of Ventura County Sheriff’s Office, without giving a specific number. Authorities confirmed a police officer was among the 11 injured.

The suspect, described as a bearded man wearing a black trench coat and mask covering his face, was confirmed dead after being “engaged and neutralised” by police, Andrew Fox, mayor of Thousand Oaks, said.
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12. In England
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:41 AM
Nov 2018

Anyone who is shot is a casualty. Seems like only death qualifies you to be a casualty in the US.
"a mass shooting that left several people injured and may have led to casualties "
You're in a terrible mess friends.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
17. The military uses the British definition.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:12 AM
Nov 2018

But civilian USA has modified its usage (unofficially) to mean fatality.

38. I was drawing attention to the fact that you are inured to gun violence in a way that we are not.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:31 PM
Nov 2018

So not semantics.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
48. I understand that was your intent.. The problem is
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:25 PM
Nov 2018

you used a poor argument to do it. It's like someone arguing the shape of spoons to call attention to the need for a fork.

Add that to the fact that your entire premise is false*, and the result is an ill-conceived post.

* There is no evidence that Anericans are "more inured" to gun violence than other people. The debate centers on what to do about it and that debate is raging.


LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
13. I live in the area. There is only
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:45 AM
Nov 2018

one hospital close by. Its emergency room is understaffed and its general reputation is meh. It is in the suburbs and not the type of place that sees a lot of gunshot victims, certainly not late on a weeknight. Years ago the corporate owners bought the only other area hospital and promptly shut it down. I would like to think the quality of care and the ability to save the lives of multiple victims in an event such as this wasn't compromised as a result, but I know better.

When local residents wake up to this news in a few hours, they are going to be very shaken. We can't, however, do anything about gun violence anywhere until we get serious about guns, even here in California with some of the strictest gun laws already on the books. No place is immune, and it appears, thanks in no small part to the NRA and the gun lobby that we are all potential targets in a vast shooting gallery called the USA.

Silver Gaia

(4,541 posts)
16. 12 victims killed, one of them a deputy
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:10 AM
Nov 2018

The crowd looks like just a bunch of college kids. The look stunned.

Silver Gaia

(4,541 posts)
19. 10 or 15 wounded
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:17 AM
Nov 2018

Some say the shooter was using a hand gun. They said he reloaded several times. Another witness, ex-military, just now said it was a semiautomatic weapon. I guess we'll find out.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
20. Prayers for The Victims...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:39 AM
Nov 2018

And says plenty of the unraveling state of our Nation under the Lying and Utterly Corrupt Drump Administration.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
21. When will the madness end?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:32 AM
Nov 2018

When the last human dies.

Yes, I am a realist, I know damn well that even if guns are absolutely outlawed, nutcases like this and criminals will get them or make them.

Don't forget all the other objects that can kill, knives, hammers, poison, etc.

JudyM

(29,204 posts)
30. Glock handgun with 11 rounds plus extended magazine, according to Sheriff just now.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:04 AM
Nov 2018

Legally purchased.
Veteran. Believed to have shot himself.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
34. So work through Trump's scenario
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:14 AM
Nov 2018

1. If bouncer was armed, he would have been shot first anyway without an opportunity to react. Note the two LEOs who bravely went in were shot at and one was killed even after they knew they were dealing with an active shooter situation.

2. Offender kills himself so that takes the death penalty off the table. Seems he is saying he would rather die anyway.

Semiauto with extended magazine again.

JudyM

(29,204 posts)
35. Apparently mental health experts had cleared him but he may have had PTSD, acc. to CNN.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:24 AM
Nov 2018

We need some higher standard for gun ownership.

Retrograde

(10,130 posts)
41. Doesn't matter, he still doesn't deserve to be shot
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:47 PM
Nov 2018

He may be an idiot, or terminally clueless (or worse, a hipster wearing the shirt ironically): he still has the right to go to a bar without being shot.

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