Veteran Democrats wary of climate push by Ocasio-Cortez and her allies
Source: Politico
Veteran Democratic lawmakers are closing ranks against new members pushing the party to the left on climate change.
Incoming chairmen say they want to address climate change, but they are bristling at the tactics of Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and other newly elected Democrats who say the party needs to come up with a "Green New Deal" that would decarbonize the economy within a decade.
The idea that in five years or 10 years were not going to consume any more fossil fuels is technologically impossible, Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), whose in line to lead the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, told POLITICO. We can have grand goals but lets be realistic about how we get there.
Ocasio-Cortez is working with other liberal members and youth climate activists to expand the scope of a select committee on climate change that Nancy Pelosi wants to relaunch if elected speaker. But several older members say they think even creating a new panel would be a distraction and could delay action by the existing committees with jurisdiction over the issue.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/16/veteran-democrats-wary-leftward-push-climate-977988
George II
(67,782 posts)She decided to challenge Crowley because he was spending too much time with national politics and not enough time caring for the needs of his district. Seems like she is too focused on getting national attention. Hope she matures quickly.
4du
(56 posts)The young generation will pay for our comfort with their lives. This is not the time for business as usual. Action must be taken now.
Priorities.
It really doesn't matter WHO controls this nation or any other if the fucking planet is uninhabitable.
And long-term and strategically, this is *THE* issue that matters to people her age and younger; race, class, migration, heathcare, none of those mean jack shit compared to screwing up the environment; the best healthcare and most perfect racial equality are really rather trivial when the planet is dying.
Thank goodness this next generation has it's priorities (THE priority) right.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Ask anyone in California....
George II
(67,782 posts)...more than a week ago that this would be a high priority, and is already reinstating the committee that will address this.
George II
(67,782 posts)4du
(56 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)DBoon
(22,340 posts)dog poop
This may explain why Trump gets so much attention from the media
4du
(56 posts)Attract thousands of deplorable flies.
DBoon
(22,340 posts)I understand Manhattan will suffer increasing stress from global warning induced storms and sea level rise. We are faced with either abandoning our largest city or spending billions in mitigation.
Global warming is a local issue in many parts of the US
groundloop
(11,513 posts)While I agree that their ambitions are noble I can also see that there's a necessity for pragmatism. There are limits to what can be done, yes we need to constantly be pushing those limits but we also have to realize that we have to work withing the constraints of the existing rules and laws. If they don't like the existing rules and laws then change them, but it all can't be done overnight.
I welcome the new members enthusiasm and support most of their goals, but I'm fearful that their tactics could become a distraction from getting things done.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)and stop being fearful. March forward bravely, and decide to do what is right, not just what is pragmatic and convenient. If it leads to confrontation with the naysayers and those with lack of vision so be it. Decide to win and we will.
groundloop
(11,513 posts)At the moment all that Democrats controlling the House means is that we can keep any more stupid shit from being legislated. Before any significant progress can be made on climate change we need to recapture the Senate (hopefully with a super-majority) AND the White House. We just don't need any distractions that hold us back from those two critical goals.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)And as for my opinion I would not call it wrong. However, I think if we are to capture government back from the nazis we must be both bold and unyielding (to the right, even in it's most moderate forms). You and I are on the same team, there is most certainly room for difference to approach between us. Cheers my friend.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)We need Nancy as Speaker and the newbies need to sit down and learn from a true Leader.
paleotn
(17,882 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)ananda
(28,835 posts)This is the most critical issue of our time!
Period.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)The House Dems have no power until January 2019. Nancy is for climate change legislation. How naive are the newbies? Are they traitors?
Initech
(100,038 posts)Half of California is on fire and the south keeps getting pounded by hurricanes, but let's all pretend that this isn't a problem.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Last spring and summer there were tropical downpours on the east coast as far north as Toronto.
Richmond VA got over 6 inches of rain in a weekend in April or May, no tropical storms, just rain.
The drought in the West is so bad the Rio Grande could run dry if it continues.
Eventually we could run out of water to irrigate farms in AZ and CA.
We need to do something substantial soon or could be food shortages due to loss of water for irrigation and drought in areas that never needed irrigation before.
Initech
(100,038 posts)They are getting desperate up there, and the only solution they've come up with is to construct an insanely costly hydroelectric dam that will probably do nothing. But when I drive up in that region all I see are signs that say "pray for rain". Like that has ever, or will ever work. We don't need prayer, we need action and we need it now, tomorrow may be too late.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:26 PM - Edit history (1)
We won't get a national program with him in the White House but we can start increasing awareness of the new report. We are now talking about millions of people dying within a few decades and exponential rises if we don't do something major within the next decade.
Tens of thousands have died from heat related cause since 2000. That number is going to rapidly increase, in addition to deaths and misplacement from storms , fires, and lack of crops.
Initech
(100,038 posts)They're the ones behind a good 95% of the anti climate change research. The sooner we tell them to fuck off, the better.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)mantis49
(812 posts)It is time to take action. I have great-grandchildren who will be affected if we keep dithering about taking action.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)If you have no power, you can't get what you want.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)yo do not build power you will never get it. We should have had a framework up 20 years GO, but thanks in no small part to the Joe Manchins and Mary Landreus, we never even dug the first spade for a foundation. That is what AOC is doing, yes we do nto have power, but she is doing the worl to ensure that we do.
Maxheader
(4,370 posts)Shut down the coal burners we don't need..Reroute existing power to
areas that lose fossil fuel power stations..etc.etc...And above all else,
continue to ban any nuke plants..More wind farms, more solar farms..
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)I hate it, it creates dangerous waste.
But its getting to the point where continuing to burn fossil fuel is worse.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Renewables are now economically viable and we just have to get out of the way.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)On the whole the party needs to unflinchingly move further left. Since Carter the democrats have been moving further and further right until it got to the point where I would even call the Obama administration just slightly center right. ENOUGH! It's not working. It's time to embrace our left wing, social democracy heritage given to us by Roosevelt and Johnson. I forgive (Bill) Clinton and Obama for not being left wing enough, but now we see the full fruition of not defending our leftist approach to problem solving, donald j fucking trump. DeFazio had ought better get some steel in his back. To say it's impossible is bullfuckingshit, and I will not personally accept the cowardice.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Oh, and we can't survive without liberal solutions to conservative-created problems.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)I find the newbies disgusting.
KPN
(15,635 posts)DeFazio is NOT "bristling" at AOC!
Don't fall for this crap folks.
This is normal discourse when old meets new. They'll work it out.
By the by, I personally support the notion of greater internal pressure within the body of elected Congressional Democrats to push harder and with more urgency for energy policy changes to mitigate global warming. The sooner we tackle this, the better. Pushing for more urgency internally is nothing more than a reflection of where a significant if not the majority of Democratic voters are.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)but not by attacking an excellent leader (Nancy Pelosi) who we need for the next two years. They are pissing me off.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)This must be a day ending in "Y".
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Politico is at it again.
mantis49
(812 posts)you should know the difference between "whose" and "who's".
Autumn
(44,980 posts)wait until fossil fuels gives their permission for them to act. The Republicans have dithered around to line their pockets and that's over now. We must take the lead on this and ignore those who think this is a distraction.
shanny
(6,709 posts)pwb
(11,246 posts)amcgrath
(397 posts)And Pelosi is worrying that the new intake would like action taken on climate change?
That is why people are saying she has to go
jcgoldie
(11,612 posts)Straw man.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and just used it to diss Nancy
"Ocasio-Cortez is working with other liberal members and youth climate activists to expand the scope of a select committee on climate change that Nancy Pelosi wants to relaunch if elected speaker. But several older members say they think even creating a new panel would be a distraction and could delay action by the existing committees with jurisdiction over the issue."
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)And in my opinion the scientists were holding back some to not appear too alarmist. We have 12 or so years to act or its basically over.
Climate Change is no longer some minor flooding that will happen in 2100.
We need a World War ll type program. We might not be able to cut fossil fuel production entirely in a decade but we can't afford little symbolic gestures, either.
Of course that is not happening with Trump but the table should be set once Dems get back in House control.
2naSalit
(86,330 posts)The incoming class need to learn the ropes here. They are attacking the rest of the ship's crew and demanding that they be heard first or else... a temper tantrum tactic.
Instead, they should get some policy proposals written and submit, kind of like the way Nancy has already formed the committees and an action plan, because that is where the rubber will meet the road asap. And I am certain that there are several policy proposals which include actions this group prefers piled up and awaiting attention now that adults are in charge.
I see it as public grandstanding by those who seemingly have leapt into the ocean and have yet to discover that they need a flotation device to survive.
pazzyanne
(6,543 posts)They do need to learn the ropes and make productive recommendations and legislation based on what procedures they are learning. Don't get me wrong, I'm as much against fossil fuel consumption as the next environmental activist, but railing against the system is anti-productive when you are in elected office. Build coalitions and start drafting bills that support your stand. Change will happen, but they are no longer the protesters on the line, they are now legislators who will draft the proposals that will bring about that change. It is all about teamwork and using the system, not about who has the loudest voice (although that has it place on the floor at times).
2naSalit
(86,330 posts)I have some experience here as a policy analyst/co-writer, conservationist, activist in the local and federal levels. Once you gain a position in the government, you have to work as a team.
I just saw a post title about a certain freshman getting into a shouting match already. Someone needs to take a time-out and quick primer to read over the holidays. Not a good way to get a start in this new environment.
jalan48
(13,841 posts)jcgoldie
(11,612 posts)Climate change is the most important issue we face. "Moving to the left" on it is essential. Time is running out. If these veteran lawmakers want to drag their feet and emphasize gradual regulation, then I support pushing the issue by any means necessary. Good job by Ocasio-Cortez calling attention to this as soon as she could.
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)AOC is actually correct on the move to push for it. Fossil fuel dependency needs to be reduced dramatically if we are to survive past 12 years due to CC. I'd like to see my grandchildren someday, and my son is only 9.
3Hotdogs
(12,330 posts)Young'uns go to polls because they believe their votes will result in change.
Obama inspired youth votes. He had an organization with names, emails, phone numbers and addresses. He won the election and there was no organizing communication from his staff after that. No asking to call your rep or senator to push for anything.
2010 midterm, well we know how that worked out.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)If it takes the newly elected to make it happen, than so be it. No time for sitting around and waiting.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Americans have been programmed into marching into their cars and drive everywhere. Even if I want to go to Spokane I have to fly, or drive. No bullet trains like in Europe. No mass transit reaching the sprawl. No bicycles, or bicycle lanes to speak of.
I went to Maastricht in Holland and saw very few cars driving around in this very large town. Everyone took the train, walked, and rode bicycles, with actual bicycle lanes next to all major streets. It's because gas is expensive and other reasons.
Most Americans would never consider walking 5 blocks to a store when they could drive.
We need electric cars with 100% renewable energy, and sequestration for the fuel we burn manufacturing them with an Apollo like program.
Sequestration is the answer.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-company-says-it-is-sucking-carbon-from-air-making-fuel-1.4696817
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Most folks regardless of party care more about access to affordable health care and decent paying jobs than anything else.
We haven't had real power anywhere as a party for quite awhile. Here is a great chance for the rebirth of the Democratic Party.
If we step onto the stage fighting and bickering with one another it will not go well for us or the country. You can bet the MSM and GOP will not miss a single chance to publisize, play up and exaggerate any divisions no matter how minor.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)A professor said his millennial students had a "great sense of entitlement." I didn't understand it then -- I do now.
Nancy Pelosi knows from experience the difference between the perfect and the possible. Elect her as Speaker and then work toward your goals and the goals of the coalition. We could have a two-year majority if the Dems prove to be just as ineffective as the Repugs.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Time to get on it before its too late. Quit being wary of something that is the right thing to do!
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Most folks regardless of party care more about access to affordable health care and decent paying jobs than anything else.
We haven't had real power anywhere as a party for quite awhile. Here is a great chance for the "rebirth" of the Democratic Party, lol. Hey,whatever works...
However, if we step onto the stage fighting and bickering with one another it will not go well for us or the country. You can bet the MSM and GOP will not miss a single chance to publicize, play up and exaggerate any divisions no matter how minor.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)I don't recall seeing a single political ad in 2018 produced by any national Democratic entity (either the DNC, or the Senate and/or House Democratic PACs) that focused on climate change. Maybe I missed them, but they sure were easy to miss if there were any. The frigging planet is destabilizing with horrific consequences for the very near future and we are already watching runaway forest fires and devastating floods already along with eroding shorelines and more powerful storms.
"Ocasio-Cortez and her allies" for the most part are of the younger generations that will most negatively be impacted during their lifetimes by climate change.
I am not knee jerk anti toward veteran lawmakers who speak with the voice of experience. Republicans of course serve the fossil fuel devils, but I do not hesitate to state that veteran Democrats, collectively, have not treated climate change with the dire urgency that it requires. We need a Marshall plan for our energy economy. We need the equivalent of JFK's vow to land a Man on the Moon by the end of the decade. Conventional thinking about what is and is not possible is no longer an acceptable option. Prior to U.S. entry into WWII conventional thinking would have called it impossible for the U.S. to build, on short notice, the maritime fleet that we did, let along the air force and armor units that our mobilized manufacturing base quickly churned turned out.
I am with "Ocasio-Cortez and her allies" on this one. They are not going to tear apart the Democratic Party over this. I think it is worth perhaps having to smooth over some ruffled feathers later on this one.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)They both will reach a point that the Earth can't sustain all of us so we must stop most of the pregnancy also.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)I just don't know why some Democratic reps would not be enthusiastic about a "Green New Deal" that would decarbonize the economy within a decade.
Incrementalism sure isn't working. Aren't we still the party of "the possible?"
G_j
(40,366 posts)either change course now...or not..
xor
(1,204 posts)I haven't heard/seen anything concrete. So it could be some brilliant concepts propel us into the future, or it could be a half-baked pipe dream that has little substance to it. I would like to hear more from her about what she's envisioning before taking a stance.
I think if people just asked those questions with an open mind, then we'd find it much easier to filter out the bad from the good. Maybe she has nothing, but being open to letting her explain it and also respond to critique of her actual words/thoughts would be beneficial to everyone.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)Geeezzeee............
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Be prepared to listen, as well as speak.
A lot of Democrats support the same causes as you, and most of them have more of a feel for the environment they are now in.
Listen to them. Think about. THEN decide how to act. Rumbling in like a bull in a china shop is immature.