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Omaha Steve

(99,568 posts)
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:37 PM Nov 2018

California wildfires: 'More than 1,000 missing' in Camp Fire

Source: BBC

More than 1,000 people have been reported missing in a California wildfire which has destroyed thousands of homes and killed at least 71, local officials have said.

The death toll rose from 63 on Friday, eight days after the Camp Fire broke out in northern California.

However, the sharp increase in the missing list - from 631 to 1,011 in 24 hours - may not be accurate.

Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea said it was possible it contained duplications.

"I want you to understand that this is a dynamic list," he told reporters.


Cadaver dogs have been brought in to help with the search for bodies

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46245346

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California wildfires: 'More than 1,000 missing' in Camp Fire (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2018 OP
K&R !!! CountAllVotes Nov 2018 #1
I'm sure the Trump visit will help immensely........ Bengus81 Nov 2018 #2
Well he could start by not slashing the forest management budget and then victim-blaming flibbitygiblets Nov 2018 #6
I'm afraid this is going to turn out to be one of the biggest losses of life in our history. 7962 Nov 2018 #3
How hard is it to weed out duplications? Flaleftist Nov 2018 #4
A lot of the people were seniors and they don't have/use technology well. BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #5
Gosh. I shudder to think what may have become of them. Those fires can burn seven football fields Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #7
I'd heard that some of the evacuation centers weren't actually "centers" at all... instead NurseJackie Nov 2018 #8
People are going around with clipboards BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #9
I blame both parties. Cold War Spook Nov 2018 #10
What do you mean by "indigenous" people and whey would they be the ones to do controlled burns? milestogo Nov 2018 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #14
The 2 big causes are climate change and utility deregulation. ucrdem Nov 2018 #12
Climate change has pushed the winter rain later in the year YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #13
Yes it is the governments fault also. Cold War Spook Nov 2018 #15
That's like blaming the break pad manufacturer for an accident caused by driving 200 mph YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #16
Control burning was done by the US Forest Service Cold War Spook Nov 2018 #17

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
2. I'm sure the Trump visit will help immensely........
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

He was trash talking fire fighters once again before he even left for California.I'd give that fat fuck a shovel and pick and tell him to show us just how to keep a hillside from going up in flames.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
6. Well he could start by not slashing the forest management budget and then victim-blaming
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 03:20 PM
Nov 2018

forestpolicypub.com/2017/05/24/a-deeper-dive-into-trumps-forest-service-budget/

And he could also not add insult to injury by staying the fuck out of my beloved home state that is hurting enough already.

But of course he won't do that because he has to make everything about him. And with Mueller breathing down his neck, he desperately needs a distraction.

FUCK HIM and the horse's ass he married.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
3. I'm afraid this is going to turn out to be one of the biggest losses of life in our history.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:13 PM
Nov 2018

If this many are really missing at this stage, I'm worried that they are lost to this inferno.
It is really gonna be terrible to see how this ends up

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
4. How hard is it to weed out duplications?
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:56 PM
Nov 2018

Make a list of the reports in alphabetical order, maybe there are some people with the same name, but it shouldn't be that hard to get an estimate of duplications.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
5. A lot of the people were seniors and they don't have/use technology well.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 03:05 PM
Nov 2018

Many may not have phones or computers. Also the 7 evacuation centers are filled to the max. It is chaotic still.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
7. Gosh. I shudder to think what may have become of them. Those fires can burn seven football fields
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 03:58 PM
Nov 2018

in a few seconds. No one can dodge that.
I hope they open more shelters. The norovirus thing is chilling. They have DMAT Shelters staffed w regular doctors and nurses who are acclimatized to disaster injuries and situations. Like Doctors Wo Borders, but, much more comprehensive and equipped. There's NO reason FEMA shouldn't be opening the floodgates for help.
The Red Cross and Salv Army are good at these things. The Southern Baptists are experts at mass cooking to supply the same. If you are in CA, NOW is a good time to donate blood and get trained (ONLINE MOSTLY) for disaster relief work. Your hands and mind and kindness are required. Volunteering should be part of all of our lives. No better time than now. Best regards BMPM.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. I'd heard that some of the evacuation centers weren't actually "centers" at all... instead
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 04:48 PM
Nov 2018

I'd heard that some of the evacuation centers weren't actually "centers" at all... instead, they were spontaneous "pop-up" refugee camps (so to speak) in Walmart parking lots. No register, no name-taking, nothing... just homeless and displaced folks with nowhere to go, so they congregated together and helped each other as best they could.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
9. People are going around with clipboards
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

trying to talk to every single person that is still alive and able to talk to get as many names recorded as possible, then they can spread the word to other survivors. They can start to get real lists and make order of duplicates, etc. People are so scattered all over the place....26,000 people lived there.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
10. I blame both parties.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:30 PM
Nov 2018

Couldn't they hire some indigenous people to teach them how to make controlled burns that do not get out of control. The government now calls them prescribed burns.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
11. What do you mean by "indigenous" people and whey would they be the ones to do controlled burns?
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:40 PM
Nov 2018


Is Dianne Feinstein an indigenous person? She's from San Francisco.

Response to milestogo (Reply #11)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. The 2 big causes are climate change and utility deregulation.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:49 PM
Nov 2018

1. Climate change: Who got us into the Paris accord, and who pulled us out?

2. Utility deregulation (neglected powerline upkeep): need I ask?

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
13. Climate change has pushed the winter rain later in the year
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

It’s making the fire season longer and worse.

This isn’t anyone’s “fault” just another sad result of climate change

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
15. Yes it is the governments fault also.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:54 AM
Nov 2018

If they managed the forests there would be less underbrush. That is why I said both parties.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
16. That's like blaming the break pad manufacturer for an accident caused by driving 200 mph
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:41 PM
Nov 2018

Maybe the pads could be better, but the problem is the speed.

Also, this smells of bothsiderism. The underlying problem is Republicans systemically lying about climate change, not Democrats failing to "rake the forests" or whatever you think they should be doing.

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