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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:07 PM Nov 2018

The Latest: Ukraine says 2 navy vessels hit by Russian fire

Source: AP

Ukraine says that the number of boats hit by Russian fire has increased to two, with two crew members wounded, and that both vessels have been seized by Russia.

The Ukrainian navy made the announcement in a statement late Sunday. Russia didn’t immediately comment on the claims.

Hours earlier, Ukraine said that a Russian coast guard vessel rammed into a Ukrainian navy tugboat, resulting in damage to the ship’s engines and hull. The incident took place Sunday as three Ukrainian naval ships were transiting from Odessa on the Black Sea to Mariupol in the Sea of Azov, via the Kerch Strait. Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

The spokesman for Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says that the leader is convening an emergency meeting of the military’s top brass amid tensions with Russia near the Crimean Peninsula.

Read more: https://www.apnews.com/2faf065be3d941369fce0cdfe25f823e?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

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The Latest: Ukraine says 2 navy vessels hit by Russian fire (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 OP
So, whatya gonna do Donnie, whatya gonna do ... marble falls Nov 2018 #1
Kick and recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Nov 2018 #2
Ukrainian naval vessels? Saudi journalists? jpak Nov 2018 #3
Putin is going to play his hand.. AZ8theist Nov 2018 #4
Exactly! +100. Putin is trying to restart the Soviet Union. Duppers Nov 2018 #10
Yep. Trump will do nothing. Or call the Ukraine the aggressor bitterross Nov 2018 #11
Queen takes Bishop htuttle Nov 2018 #20
Indeed ck4829 Nov 2018 #24
Donnie may use this as a distraction from his real problems erronis Nov 2018 #5
I guess Vlad goteh memo,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2018 #6
Another PLOY to help RUMPY?? bluestarone Nov 2018 #7
tRump says we can't be sure it was Russia... PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #8
Yup! blue-wave Nov 2018 #14
Right ck4829 Nov 2018 #25
Not a peep from Trump...er, "President T" yet NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #9
He's quite insane. LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #22
SHIPS SEIZED Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #12
So blue-wave Nov 2018 #13
update scipan Nov 2018 #15
So what do you think we should do? Calista241 Nov 2018 #16
Thisis how this could all start.... BadGimp Nov 2018 #17
This is how WWIII could all start.... BadGimp Nov 2018 #18
Ukraine president proposes martial law after Russia's ship seizure muriel_volestrangler Nov 2018 #19
Sounds like it's time Igel Nov 2018 #21
Kick ck4829 Nov 2018 #23

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
2. Kick and recommend for visibility
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:12 PM
Nov 2018

This attack is coming the day after Ukrainian Memorial Day for Holodomor. It is the remembrance of the Ukraine famine planned and orchestrated by Joseph Stalin to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. Estimates are between 3.3 and 7.5 million people died.

In other words an intentional attack by Putin with added humiliation about the memorial.

Holodomor was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It is also known as the Terror-Famine and Famine-Genocide in Ukraine, and sometimes referred to as the Great Famine or The Ukrainian Genocide of 1932–33.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
10. Exactly! +100. Putin is trying to restart the Soviet Union.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:47 PM
Nov 2018

And this orange compromised asshole isn't going to do a dang thing about it.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
11. Yep. Trump will do nothing. Or call the Ukraine the aggressor
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:27 PM
Nov 2018

My bet is on them twisting it to say that the Ukrainian vessels were at fault and Trump will support Putin in that conclusion.

erronis

(15,219 posts)
5. Donnie may use this as a distraction from his real problems
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:38 PM
Nov 2018

The Ukraine? What's that? Crimea?

Putin under attack? All hands on deck.

Now, back to my 18 holes.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
6. I guess Vlad goteh memo,,,,
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:58 PM
Nov 2018

if he wants to do military thingy with Ukraine with the Trumpster in office,,, he best be doing it! Trumpster is getting short!

bluestarone

(16,896 posts)
7. Another PLOY to help RUMPY??
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:00 PM
Nov 2018

Putin doing this will stop Mueller subpoena?? Would this be a pre- planned to help RUMP?

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
8. tRump says we can't be sure it was Russia...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:22 PM
Nov 2018

it might have been some 400 lb guy in his mom's basement. CIA can't say for sure. They didn't see it happen. It is what it is. tRump spoke to Putin and he said he didn't do it and tRump believes him. Ukraine should belong to Russia anyway. They used to be part of Russia. What happened again?

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
14. Yup!
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:45 PM
Nov 2018

Sad. What a screwed up reality we live in. Oh well, when circumstances turn against you, start a war!

LudwigPastorius

(9,127 posts)
22. He's quite insane.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:51 AM
Nov 2018

At this point, I wish Jesus would tell Mike Pence that he needs to invoke the 25th Amendment.

We’ve been lucky so far. Trump’s idiocy, narcissism, and laziness and an international incident would not mix well.

Damn...can you even imagine the outcome if he had been in the Oval Office during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
12. SHIPS SEIZED
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:28 PM
Nov 2018

Pay attention, peeps. This is a shock and awe move while Trump is still not encumbered by Congress and Mueller.

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
13. So
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:35 PM
Nov 2018

Uncle Vlad's approval ratings are dropping and so are Donnie's. So they start a war to divert everyone's attention away from their gangsterism.

scipan

(2,341 posts)
15. update
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:48 PM
Nov 2018

12 a.m. (local)

The European Union has called on Russia and Ukraine to “act with utmost restraint to de-escalate” the situation in the Black Sea.

Ukraine says that three of its ships have been seized by the Russian coast guard, including two that were fired upon, and two crew members were wounded. Russia has blamed Ukraine for preparing and orchestrating “provocations.”

The EU, in a statement from foreign affairs spokeswoman Maja Kocijanic, also said that it expected Russia to “restore freedom of passage” through the Kerch Strait after Moscow blockaded it.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
16. So what do you think we should do?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:53 PM
Nov 2018

Keep in mind we sat around and did nothing back in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine and seized Crimea.

The last thing i want this fuckface to do is start talking shit to Russia and sending US troops or the Navy to the Black Sea. I suspect Turkey wouldn’t let significant US Naval assets through the Bosphorus or Dardanelles straights anyway.

BadGimp

(4,013 posts)
17. Thisis how this could all start....
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:23 PM
Nov 2018

And this is how it could end up...

BBC Nuclear Attack Broadcast (Pre-Packaged)
- this is a pseudo-documentary - it's not real ok!



But it could easily become real now that we have the Tiny Handed Tin Pot Dicktator in the Whitehouse.

BadGimp

(4,013 posts)
18. This is how WWIII could all start....
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:58 PM
Nov 2018

And this is how it could end up...

BBC Nuclear Attack Broadcast (Pre-Packaged)
- this is a pseudo-documentary - it's not real ok!



But it could easily become real now that we have the Tiny Handed Tin Pot Dicktator in the Whitehouse.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
19. Ukraine president proposes martial law after Russia's ship seizure
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:18 PM
Nov 2018
The Ukrainian president has proposed the imposition of martial law after Russian forces shot at and seized three Ukrainian navy vessels in the Black Sea, injuring six crew members according to Kiev, in a major escalation of tensions between the two countries.

On Monday, Ukrainian MPs will vote on whether to declare nationwide martial law in response to the attack following an emergency war cabinet held by the president, Petro Poroshenko. He said that the imposition of martial law would not imply a declaration of war and was only intended for defensive purposes.

Ukraine has also requested an emergency UN security council meeting in response to the incident.
...
In a televised war council meeting with the president, Ukrainian military commanders said 23 sailors had been taken captive by Russia, six were wounded in fighting, including two seriously.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/russia-border-guards-ram-tugboat-ukraine-navy-crimea

Igel

(35,293 posts)
21. Sounds like it's time
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:12 PM
Nov 2018

for little green men speaking Russian (albeit with an Ukrainian accent) to accidentally plant lots of C4 charges on the pylons to that bridge from Kerch' to Krym.

Only after the Ukraine navy manages to contract for any clearing of the shipping channels, of course. And clearly only in a truly bizarre example of synchronicity, such a contract being signed the morning of the "economic boom" that crippled Crimea.

I speculated a few days ago whether or not Putin's extremely low (for him) popularity ratings would be taken out in the near future on Ukraine or the Baltics. Now we know. He's merely ramped up more of the same tactics from the Donbas and nearby areas.

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