3 dead, 8 injured when Border Patrol uses spike strip to stop fleeing pickup on I-8 near Boulevard
Source: San Diego Union Tribune
By Alex Riggins
November 29, 2018 8:35 p.m.
Three people were killed and eight were injured when a pickup fleeing from Border Patrol agents hit a spike strip, veered onto an embankment and rolled Thursday afternoon on westbound Interstate 8 near Boulevard, authorities said.
Border Patrol agents gave chase to the Chevrolet Silverado pickup, which had two people in the cab and nine in the bed, about 4:25 p.m., CHP spokesman Officer Travis Garrow said. The truck crashed while fleeing at an extremely high rate of speed on the two-lane interstate east of Crestwood Road near the Golden Acorn Casino.
It was spike-stripped by the Border Patrol, continued westbound, went up a dirt and rock embankment and rolled, ejecting either nine or 10 people out of the vehicle, Garrow said.
A male driver and a female passenger were believed to be the only occupants seated in the cab of the truck, Garrow said. Nine men were in the bed, which had no camper shell or other type of covering.
Read more: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-interstate-8-rollover-deadly-crash-20181129-story.html
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MineralMan
(146,262 posts)I hadn't heard that it was a capital offense, though. Maybe that has changed.
Also note that they were in the United States, not just crossing the immediate border. As such, they are subject to the laws of the United States and of California. Not having papers does not warrant the death penalty, nor execution delivered by a spike strip that destabilizes a vehicle.
This is obscene.
marble falls
(57,015 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)is never a good idea. Forgetting the physical risks running entails, they can also add charges to you once they catch you. The driver is probably going to get charged with felony evading, felony murder, and anything related to helping the undocumented people he was carrying.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)try to run. It was the drivers decision to run, thus endangering not only himself, but his passengers ( riding in the open bed of a pickup0 but and other person who may be on that road.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)But in a civilized society the punishment is supposed to fit the crime.
It was a bad decision to use the spike strip.
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)Except using a spike strip to stop a car is not "the death penalty" Guy lost control and wrecked, he might have done that without the spike strips.
MichMan
(11,870 posts).do you think there would be more or less people fleeing police ?
jmowreader
(50,533 posts)If floorboarding the car is effectively a get-out-of-jail-free card, everyone the police get behind will floorboard the car.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Unless you would rather see him set free?
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oneshooter
(8,614 posts)The driver, who made the decision to run can, and will, be charged with the deaths of his passengers. At a minimum.
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)You assert the actions by the PD were reckless and led to unnecessary deaths. I assert the drivers actions of crossing the border illegally, running from pd, continuing the chase, and endangering other motorists constituted extreme recklessness.
Charge the driver with the deaths of his passengers.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The driver will assuredly be charged.
What consequences will the PD face?
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)In many cases it is not, but it all depends on your state's speeding laws. Driving over 100 mph may, under some circumstances, be a felony offense -- a crime punishable by fine or a year or more in jail.
3Hotdogs
(12,337 posts)What the fuck is wrong with them? Sick fucks.
That device should never be used anyway.
Stainless
(718 posts)Border Patrol and ICE should be wearing white sheets with hoods.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)and you do not want to because of "what ever" they should just let you go?
bluestarone
(16,872 posts)There are other WAYS to handle this are there not?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)not responsible for his decisions and how said decisions effect others?
bluestarone
(16,872 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Three people died. Perhaps we can consider that, don't you think? Not wanting to be arrested is not a capital offense in any jurisdiction I know of, especially without due process.
High speed chases and devices like spike strips have often been the cause of unnecessary deaths. Many people are opposed to such measures. You, perhaps, are not. That does not mean you can freely insult those who are. Nope.
If you do, someone will surely explain the same thing I am explaining to you. Three people died. Unfortunately, they can no longer speak for themselves. Others will have to speak for them.
I'm somewhat familiar with your positions, as stated on DU.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)The spike strips put small holes in the tires causing them to slowly deflate, giving the driver time to gracefully bring the vehicle to a stop.
In this case the driver chose not to stop the truck and eventually lost control, causing the people illegally riding in the back to be killed and injured.
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)....if they don't try and stop the car/truck and it plows through a red light and kills a family in a van it is the cops fault, if they do try and stop the fleeing suspect and he loses control and crashes it is their fault. Why is none of it the fault of the fleeing suspect?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)rollin74
(1,973 posts)plus lots of other charges he has coming his way
evading and driving 100mph like a maniac with 9 people in the back. He deserves a very lengthy prison sentence
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Run from the cops at your own peril, and the cops had all the authority they needed to try and stop the vehicle.
This is the first incident I can recall where stop sticks were involved in a fatality. They're generally seen as safer to use than a PIT maneuver or any other method the cops could have used to stop the vehicle.
These people are dead because the driver made a series of bad decisions. If anyone is liable for the deaths, it's the driver.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)As soon as the folks were seen in the bed, the chase probably should have been stopped. Unlike the vast majority of situations where spike strips are used, this was a foreseeable outcome. Just because the suspect is creating a hazardous situation, doesn't mean that the PD should exacerbate it.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Make a decision.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Kinda what I expected.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Go into surgery on Thursday, them 8 weeks recovery time. Got to have something to keep my mind busy.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I was off for 6 weeks after back surgery. Line up things to keep ya busy while ya convalesce. Get Babble or Rosetta Stone or something and learn a language. Especially ones with good swear words for your upcoming physical therapy.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Can you make it sound like poetry?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)And THAT depends on if you are on the sending end, or the receiving end.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)If there is an aerial asset, use it. Otherwise, pick 'em up later in the month when they aren't running.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Is this where I'm supposed to say something about it being 12 hours later?
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)"Unlike the vast majority of situations where spike strips are used, this was a foreseeable outcome."
Why exactly? Is it common for spike strips to flip a vehicle? I don't think it is.
Guy over corrected and lost it, could have done that even without the strip at those speeds.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)One can always imagine a situation that allows extreme use of force. None the less, numerous police departments do not allow high speed chases without "cause". That's prior cause, not imagined cause. Our own department here has reduced massively the allowable conditions under which the officers can shoot into moving vehicles because of the relative danger to the usefulness. These spike strips have a similar feature, which is to create a MORE hazardous condition than the one that is KNOWN at the time.
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)Except that's not what stop spikes are? They are a way to safely slow down or stop a fleeing vehicle, much safer generally then a PIT maneuver would be, esp with a high center of gravity pickup truck. The driver lost control and flipped it. He might have done that without the spikes with a overloaded pickup.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)There was nothing safe about this situation, due to the negligence of the driver and passengers. But that was plainly obvious to the PD who chose to use the stop spikes. The truck didn't even have to roll over to put all of those passengers in the bed into mortal danger. They were already there. The spikes only worsened the situation.
MichMan
(11,870 posts)..do you think that would decrease or increase the number of people fleeing police ?
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Just like a red-light camera.
Or show up at the house later if a warrant is issued.
Police chase is pure unneeded testosterone in traffic offenses.
MichMan
(11,870 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Because maybe there was a crime.
EX500rider
(10,812 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)
I am sure many of us here have gotten tickets for high speed driving, but when the lights went on behind us we pull over, if you don't there is usually a reason. A no chase policy is a get out of jail free card for real wanted criminals, murders, rapist, serial killers etc.