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appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:30 AM Dec 2018

DeVos Gives Quiet Nod To Arming Teachers

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON -- The Trump administration's new school safety report, released Tuesday, encourages districts to consider arming school personnel, praises state programs that arm teachers and suggests that schools could use federal funds to train staff to use firearms. But the report does so quietly, after the idea of arming teachers faced fierce opposition, including during the Federal Commission on School Safety's two-month "listening tour" in some of the nation's reddest states.

The long-awaited report from the commission, chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, does not explicitly recommend that schools provide teachers with firearms, but lauds various state programs that arm teachers. Stressing the need for specially trained school personnel to respond to "acts of violence," the commission commends divisive initiatives that allow teachers and other staff members to carry guns in South Dakota, Texas and Arkansas for offering "effective training programs," according to the report.

An Education Department official, who asked not to be identified as he was not authorized to speak to the press, said the report was a clear endorsement of arming teachers. "When the department provides information on best practices, it does so for schools to conduct those practices," he said. "They are very direct about the idea of arming teachers, saying, 'This is what you should do.'"

The Education Department denied that the federal government is telling states to arm teachers. The department's recommendations reflect "practices that are already working in many communities across the country," spokesperson Liz Hill said. "The commission's goal has been to identify state and local practices and policies for lawmakers and local officials to learn from and consider, rather than mandating or dictating solutions." -MORE...

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The report follows a 2-month, national 'listening tour' of 8, mostly red states with strong gun culture, incl. WA, WY, KY and AL. Attendees comprised teachers, parents and education experts with many that argued against arming teachers.

An Auburn (AL) Univ. history professor who is "a passionate defender of the Second Amendment," strongly argued against armed teachers. A retired KY teacher said, "Arm us, instead, with the mental health support that is needed. Arm us with smaller class sizes, ways to fight poverty. Give us common-sense gun control." A WY private security co. that provides firearm training to educators was the strongest arms supporter.

After Tuesday's report release, some attendees voiced concerns: "These people want to put guns in these kids' schools," said the Auburn Univ. professor (Jortner), "They're going to arm teachers, and more kids are going to die of firearm misuse because of this report."



Trump meets with DeVos at a roundtable discussion of the Federal Commission School Safety report.
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DeVos Gives Quiet Nod To Arming Teachers (Original Post) appalachiablue Dec 2018 OP
yes trev Dec 2018 #1
Basically, that's it. And above all, keep selling weapons. appalachiablue Dec 2018 #5
The US is one of the largest suppliers of the world's weapons. trev Dec 2018 #17
Are these not the STUPIDEST people you have ever yuiyoshida Dec 2018 #2
Stupid, with massive greed and recklessness. Blind appalachiablue Dec 2018 #4
If teachers carrying or having guns becomes the norm, I predict a drop in teachers training and in No Vested Interest Dec 2018 #3
Most teachers are against arms I'm sure, not that appalachiablue Dec 2018 #6
I'm just as worried by all the adults .. ananda Dec 2018 #8
The U.S. government could save $20,000,000/year safeinOhio Dec 2018 #7
Can't schools be about education? truthisfreedom Dec 2018 #9
Dolores Umbridge LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #10
Suggests that schools could use federal funds for it? Mc Mike Dec 2018 #11
This is not the solution to school gun violence. gademocrat7 Dec 2018 #12
Armed teacher on the move looking for the shooter. Police come in blazing. See armed person. Just keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #13
Great cartoon capturing the dangers & absurdity of armed teachers appalachiablue Dec 2018 #18
One roadblock to arming teachers: Insurance companies keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #14
Ditsy DeVos Racerdog1 Dec 2018 #15
They are determined to have rw asses kill more Americans this year than the year before. lark Dec 2018 #16
Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #19
With supplies? Paper, pens, books, computers? tavernier Dec 2018 #20
The principal of my high school carried a gun in his briefcase every day... OriginalGeek Dec 2018 #21
I want the school boards and PTAs across the country to protest this stupid policy FakeNoose Dec 2018 #22
Blackwater MortSahlFan Dec 2018 #23

trev

(1,480 posts)
17. The US is one of the largest suppliers of the world's weapons.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 07:39 PM
Dec 2018

That's because capitalism requires war.

No Vested Interest

(5,165 posts)
3. If teachers carrying or having guns becomes the norm, I predict a drop in teachers training and in
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:56 AM
Dec 2018

applications for jobs in education.

The type of person who wants a career teaching and forming adults is more likely to be repulsed by the thought of using a gun against another, including all that could go wrong by having guns near immature and still forming people - i.e., children.

Has research been done re the opinions of current teachers being armed?
My guess is that the majority of teachers are against this proposal.

appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
6. Most teachers are against arms I'm sure, not that
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:05 AM
Dec 2018

they're really included in plans to weaponize schools. Agree, the no. of teaching majors will decline if this dangerous policy escalates.

ananda

(28,856 posts)
8. I'm just as worried by all the adults ..
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 04:31 AM
Dec 2018

who are immature assholes and haven’t moved
past junior high school mentally.

I know a lot of Reeps and conservatives like that..

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
11. Suggests that schools could use federal funds for it?
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 07:41 AM
Dec 2018

The repugs are going to find some federal funds to spend for 'education'. Finally.

In this one case, only.

gademocrat7

(10,654 posts)
12. This is not the solution to school gun violence.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 08:02 AM
Dec 2018

Trump and DeVos are incompetent self serving cretins. This is a nightmare.

keithbvadu2

(36,749 posts)
13. Armed teacher on the move looking for the shooter. Police come in blazing. See armed person. Just
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 08:48 AM
Dec 2018

Armed teacher on the move looking for the shooter.

Police come in blazing.

See armed person.

Just what they are looking for.

lark

(23,090 posts)
16. They are determined to have rw asses kill more Americans this year than the year before.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:03 AM
Dec 2018

They care nothing about decreasing deaths. This will do everything to increase the rate of deaths from school shootings and sdd a whole new category of teachers and students wrestling for the gun and one of them dies. All they care about is selling more guns, getting more Russia/NRA $$, and letting their rw extremists kill whoever they please, as long as its' left leaning groups and children, they actually like it.

keithbvadu2

(36,749 posts)
19. Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 05:29 PM
Dec 2018

Joe The Plumber: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights’ To Have Guns

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html

Funny how he chose that particular verb.

tavernier

(12,375 posts)
20. With supplies? Paper, pens, books, computers?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 05:41 PM
Dec 2018

No? Didn’t think so. Our public school kids don’t deserve an education, but we should get them used to the sound of gunfire.

Brainless bitch.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
21. The principal of my high school carried a gun in his briefcase every day...
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:02 PM
Dec 2018

then again, he was a viet-nam vet and assistant pastor of the fundamentalist baptist church that ran the school and this was in late 70's Texas so nobody ever really thought much about it.


Looking back, I think he was kinda nuts and it seems pretty crazy to arm teachers now.

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
22. I want the school boards and PTAs across the country to protest this stupid policy
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 08:28 PM
Dec 2018

I cannot believe that professional suburban parents (even the conservatives) would want their kids going to a school with armed teachers and administrators. This is wrong on so many levels. Why does the Trump administration enable the possibility of a needless tragedy before people will recognize the lunacy? No firearms of any kind in schools! Do not lay this responsibility on teachers who are already carrying a heavy load as it is.




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