FAA investigates Southwest over baggage weight discrepancies: WSJ
Source: Reuters
(Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration is investigating Southwest Airlines Co for widespread failure to accurately track the combined weight of checked bags loaded onto its jets, according to a Wall Street Journal report on Monday.
The U.S. aviation safety agencys year-long civil probe found systemic and significant mistakes with employee calculations and luggage-loading practices, resulting in potential discrepancies when pilots compute takeoff weights, the Journal said, citing government officials and internal agency documents
The FAA has not decided whether to impose fines or any other punishment, the report cited people familiar with the investigation as saying.
The inaccuracies ranged from a few dozen pounds to more than 1,000 pounds in excess of what the paperwork indicated, sparking disputes between the company and some agency inspectors about potential safety consequences, the report said.
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BUSINESS NEWS FEBRUARY 18, 2019 / 11:23 AM / UPDATED 44 MINUTES AGO
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southwest-faa/faa-investigates-southwest-over-baggage-weight-discrepancies-wsj-idUSKCN1Q71I4
Related: FAA Probes Southwest Airlines Over Baggage Weight Discrepancies (Wall Street Journal)
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)Relieved to find out it just a safety issue.
/s
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)sandensea
(21,624 posts)Per former Eastern Airlines pilot Gerald Loeb, in his testimony before the Kerry Committee in 1988, Eastern Airlines routinely allowed massive amounts of Colombian cocaine to be stuffed in the cone during many a flight from Panama to Miami in the 1980s.
It was so pervasive, pilots already knew to expect massive weight discrepancies before taking off, and adjusted their settings accordingly.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)the intense pressure she was under was unreal.
Fun fact: after she would approve the weight and balance for an aircraft, she would have to sign an affidavit before it took off. She was then libel in the event it crashed if it was found the weight and balance was off and caused the crash.
she stopped doing it and got transferred out and back onto the planes.
fountainofyouth
(409 posts)What's to stop them from forcing airline mechanics to do the same thing?
Javaman
(62,517 posts)from what I understand, mechanics are only as good as the part that is being replaced.
meaning, if the part fails, then they aren't responsible. However, if they do something intentionally, then, yes, they can be held responsible.
but with weights and balances there is a standardized procedure that must be followed. they (weights and balances) have to give their okay in written form to okay the plane for flight.
my BIL was a flight investigator for the FAA for a number of years. I'm just going by what I have picked up from them over the years.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)But it can also exacerbate another problem. Another link in the accident chain
MurrayDelph
(5,293 posts)Twenty years ago, I used to travel for business a lot while teaching for a big computer company that no longer exists. My company frequently tried to push me to Southwest, because they could save $10 by making my flights less-convenient.
The three issues that stick in my mind most were:
1) the time I arrived in Phoenix for an advertised flight to Burbank, only to discover that while the flight was still listed, it was going to be over an hour late, and now still listed the destination as San Francisco. They had cancelled the leg I was supposed to be on, and were going to get back "on schedule" by making us all fly to San Francisco and then wait for another flight that would take us to Burbank. Worse, they then announced that there was no point in contacting their competitors because all other Burbank flights were booked. In actual fact, they were not, and I got home on a competitor.
2) I was flying back to Burbank from Las Vegas (after riding there with a friend who took advantage of the free room). As was often the case with Southwest, the announcer at the gate was announcing Group Numbers faster than the door agent could collect the numbers. As a result, many of us were elbowed by a guy who was pushing his way through the crowd announcing "Low Number! Coming through!" despite the fact that his group number was no lower than many of us who were waiting politely had. Admittedly, this guy was the jerk, but the airlines boarding method led to this behavior.
3) I was flying from LAX to Albuquerque, and again had a medium/low number. But the plane was (Surprise, surprise!) late, so while the announcer was announcing Boarding Groups, the door agent was telling people "Ignore him! In, in in!" This led to my not being able to find room overhead for the sample case containing my teaching materials. So, I am struggling to get the case under the seat in front of me, and the flight attendant tells me I have to sit down because the plane is moving! I am not a small person, and it's not like I'd sat down and gotten back up again. They had simply not bothered to look to see if the aisles were clear before closing the door and started moving! The pilot could have lost his license because of the crew giving him false safety instructions.
Number three was the last straw. I decided that if they were that lax in their safety standards for something as obvious as a fat passenger still standing up in the aisle, who knows what other safety standards they are skipping to get on schedule.
For the rest of that career, I decided that any destination less than six hours away was easier to get to by driving (Especially on Fridays, when students occasionally asked to come back after lunch to work on our computers, so you had to book the flight home based on the chance that they would, but more-often meant that you couldn't leave town for four hours after the class was over).
My six hours calculation was based on the time it would take to get to the airport, the time it would take to pick up or return the rental car, the time to get through security, the mandatory sitting around waiting for the flight time, the boarding time, the actual time spent flying, the time it takes to get off the plane and to baggage claim, the time it takes to get your luggage, and the time to reach your home (or hotel). Even if it is a one-hour flight, it takes a minimum of six hours out of your life.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)When I read this, I kept thinking of the center of gravity of the airplane......................when placing fuel, people, bags on the plane, the center of gravity is programmed into the FMC and the center counsel CDU, they need this for the pilots when they go down that runway and start to do the V1 rotation that the center of gravity has been placed in the correct spot and when flying......................if operations has no clue what they are doing when it comes to the weight..........................I as a former mechanic would not want to fly that airline......................this is just outrageous.
Everything is predicated on that center of gravity of the aircraft everything...............landing , takeoff, weight, fuel..............flying
For reference only:
https://www.flightliteracy.com/balance-stability-and-center-of-gravity-effects-of-adverse-balance/