Trump orders grounding of Boeing 737 Max fleet in US
Source: CNBC
President Donald Trump said he issued an executive order Wednesday grounding all Boeing 737 Max jets, following the second major crash within five months.
"We're gonna be issuing an emergency order of prohibition to ground all flights of the 737 max 8 and the 737 max 9 and planes associated with that line," Trump told reporters in Washington on Wednesday.
The move marks a stunning turnaround from the U.S., which has watched dozens of countries around the world ground the planes after the second deadly crash of the new aircraft in less than five months.
Trump said he had spoke with Boeing's CEO, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and the acting head of the FAA, Daniel Elwell.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/boeing-shares-fall-after-report-says-us-expected-to-ground-737-max-fleet.html
Initech
(100,027 posts)charliea
(260 posts)I had to lead the world by example and ground those overly complicated planes...
until they return to propellers which are so much simpler...
Initech
(100,027 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)And if he doesn't it would be about the first thing that he is not omniscient about.
https://www.axios.com/everything-trump-says-he-knows-more-about-than-anybody-b278b592-cff0-47dc-a75f-5767f42bcf1e.html
Initech
(100,027 posts)"I know more about planes and the airline industry better than anyone! We're going to get rid of those complicated flying machines and replace them with much simpler to use aircraft. We're going to make flying great again. It's gonna be huge, believe me."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Initech
(100,027 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Oval Office, and he will be fine.
End Of The Road
(1,397 posts)gopiscrap
(23,725 posts)in Ethiopia and it wasn't pretty
Orangeutan
(204 posts)gopiscrap
(23,725 posts)out of Addis Ababa Ethiopia on Jan 2. Because of mechanical problems ( the airline wouldn't specify) we were grounded in Abidjon the Ivory Coast for 6 hours. Four hours on a steaming plane at the gate and then when it looked like a revolt among the passengers, they finally let us out and we spent 2 more hours in the terminal before finally progressing on a DIFFERENT aircraft to Newark.
CloudWatcher
(1,842 posts)I didn't know this until I researched it last night, but the 737-800 is from a much older generation of 737's than the Max-8.
A couple of refs, there are others: CBS - Types of 737 Planes and Wikipedia - 737
The 737-800 dates from from the 1990's, the Max from 2017.
But getting stuck in a plane for hours sucks regardless. I was once stuck for about 4 hours in August on a plane in Dulles. Ugh.
gopiscrap
(23,725 posts)quickly It was one of those planes that why I so freaked out Sunday
amb123
(1,580 posts)Someone in the WH must have told tRump this. Only then did he change his mind and issue the order.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,283 posts)President Donald Trump said he issued an executive order Wednesday grounding all Boeing 737 Max jets, following the second major crash within five months.
I wonder if CNBC got that wrong. Per the FAA, the FAA is ordering the grounding:
President Donald Trump said he issued an executive order Wednesday grounding all Boeing 737 Max jets, following the second major crash within five months.
Link to tweet
watoos
(7,142 posts)Trump's EO is more of the same bs he does to play king.
SpankMe
(2,955 posts)The FAA has the authority to ground planes all by itself without an Exec order from the Orange Asshole. He could easily have directed the FAA admin to do it. But, he did it himself via executive order to make his little dick look big.
EleanorR
(2,383 posts)The call from Boeing CEO saying please don't because I'll lose money, FAA is without a permanent leader, pilots on record complaining...
watoos
(7,142 posts)Boeing tells the FAA what to do not the other way around, Boeing told the FAA to go ahead and ground the planes.
Trump's EO is just another talking point for him, meaningless in reality.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)for having certified this kludge of a plane in the first place, and for not having grounded these planes following the evidence-gathering following the Lion Air flight into terrain.
No one, worldwide, can rely on FAA certification any more.
machoneman
(3,994 posts)Answer: never before!
Sgent
(5,857 posts)since when are regulatory actions taken by a sub-cabinet agency decided by executive orders? Next do we hear who he has indicted or which highways get paved first?
The grounding (finally) is good, but the process is all kinds of messed up.
MontanaMama
(23,294 posts)I'm not saying he did it for the right reasons...but he did it. He's probably got an angle for grounding the planes...we'll have to see what that is. He doesn't do anything without a payoff.
watoos
(7,142 posts)The FAA grounded the planes with Boeing's permission.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I'd sure like to have the transcript of the phone call with the Boeing CEO. And the other conversations.
And the phone calls from Boeing and the airlines to their lobbyist in Washington, the FAA chief.
And you can be pretty sure he'll take credit for leading the charge, and then he'll blame Obama and Clinton for the state of things, the economic impact of the groundings, the plane crashes overseas, etc.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)I know people working on this. They were all furloughed Dec 21 until the end of January. It didnt put them back five weeks- it actually put them back longer, as they had to restart discussions and come to consensus over what to do, and momentum was lost during the shutdown.
He has blood on his hands.
duforsure
(11,884 posts)Wonder how much their CEO gave to trump's campaign, or bribes ? That was probably why the hesitation doing this, he's protecting the company over the people flying on these planes, but had to give in.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)aggiesal
(8,906 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,210 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's my guess.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)will refuse to fly on this particular aircraft.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But passengers would have the capability to ground the flights, if many won't fly on them.
Bengus81
(6,927 posts)And this isn't recent,hell it goes back into the 30's.
Behind the Aegis
(53,915 posts)Oh wait, this comes after EVERYONE else has already done this. So much for his leadership skills. He's a sad little follower.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)It's not like Chao the Transportation Secretary gives a shit about her job or being stepped over... Let's put down "presidential overreach" as just one more thing that both the left and right stopped giving a shit about on Jan. 1, 2017.
Fun fact: Even while 9-11 was happening, Bush didn't personally order all flights grounded.... That was still the call of the FAA.
James48
(4,426 posts)It was the FAA. FAA did not know about the NASA pilot filings on other nose down incidents until last night. The analysts who usually look at those filings did not see anything until yesterday, and the folks at FAA met this morning and decided that was enough to go with for a formal grounding. THEN they told Chao, who told Trump, who held a press conference while the emergency order was being typed and sent through the signature process.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Of the Max 8. Only after careful consideration of all factors weighing in, did he come to his carefully measured conclusion, followed swiftly by his strong, decisive action.
ONLY Donald Trump could have done this.
Where did I put my pills? Must... have... pills.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I have seen. Don't forget about Canada grounding the planes and not allowing them in its air space. The situation was to the point that there was no reasonable choice to keep the planes flying in the U.S.
Yes, the FAA is who grounded the planes, but I'm sure that Boeing gave them permission first. The FAA doesn't tell Boeing what to do in this administration, Boeing tells the FAA what to do.
Trump's EO is just more of his bs playing king, meaningless nonsense.
Yes, the black boxes going to France was another reason. The rest of the world doesn't trust us to do a sincere investigation.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and that's all folks will remember
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,283 posts)Contrary to many headlines and ledes, Trump didn't "ground" the 737's--something he lacks the legal authority to do. It was done by the (Acting) FAA Commissioner, pursuant to his authority under 49 USC 46105(c).
https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf
Link to tweet
To my surprise, in the e-CFR, FAA regulations are not in Title 49 - Transportation. They are in Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space.
The (Acting) FAA Commissioner's authority comes right outta the U.S. Code:
49 U.S. Code § 46105. Regulations and orders
(a)Effectiveness of Orders.
Except as provided in this part, a regulation prescribed or order issued by the Secretary of Transportation (or the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration with respect to security duties and powers designated to be carried out by the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration or the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration with respect to aviation safety duties and powers designated to be carried out by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration) takes effect within a reasonable time prescribed by the Secretary, Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, or Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration. The regulation or order remains in effect under its own terms or until superseded. Except as provided in this part, the Secretary, Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, or Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may amend, modify, or suspend an order in the way, and by giving the notice, the Secretary, Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, or Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration decides.
(b)Contents and Service of Orders.
An order of the Secretary, Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, or Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall include the findings of fact on which the order is based and shall be served on the parties to the proceeding and the persons affected by the order.
(c)Emergencies.
When the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration is of the opinion that an emergency exists related to safety in air commerce and requires immediate action, the Administrator, on the initiative of the Administrator or on complaint, may prescribe regulations and issue orders immediately to meet the emergency, with or without notice and without regard to this part and subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5. The Administrator shall begin a proceeding immediately about an emergency under this subsection and give preference, when practicable, to the proceeding.
(Pub. L. 103272, § 1(e), July 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 1228; Pub. L. 10771, title I, § 140(b)(1), (2), Nov. 19, 2001, 115 Stat. 641; Pub. L. 115254, div. K, title I, § 1991(f)(1)(4), (7), Oct. 5, 2018, 132 Stat. 3642.)
Read all about it:
https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf
Also see: 49 U.S. Code § 40113. Administrative
If the legal counsel at the FAA is anything like the legal counsel at [redacted place where I work], they didn't have to look it up.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)The reason they were grounded now was that the black boxes are not coming to the US, but are in transit to France. The problem is, the FAA will not be allowed to know what information is found by the French, only Ethiopia can release the information and the FAA does not know how long that will take.
James48
(4,426 posts)Under ICAO, the FAA and NTSB are parties to the investigation, and will have full access to the recorder data. Nothing is lost by having it read in France. In fact, it is likely that it will be quicker to learn from having them read out there, instead of being sent back to the US.