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riversedge

(70,056 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:18 PM Mar 2019

Virginia Cop Identified As Part Of White Nationalist Group

Source: huff post




03/19/2019 11:36 am ET Updated 1 hour ago

Leaked chat logs reveal that Daniel Morley, a school resource officer, recruits for Identity Evropa.




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Daniel Morley, 31, a school resource officer at L.C. Bird High School in Virginia, holds a side gig as an organizer for Identity Evropa, a group noted for its part in the organizing of the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in 2017. The group (also known as the “American Identity Movement”) tasked Morley with helping new recruits through the application process.

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Morley been suspended from his job at the high school, and Chesterfield County Police Chief Jeffrey Katz recommended he be fired pending a state-mandated disciplinary process, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

“We are concerned and committed to determining if there is any truth to these allegations,” Katz said Monday. “There is absolutely no place for intolerance or prejudicial behavior in public service, and we will not tolerate affiliations which even remotely lend themselves to predispositions of bias.”

Morley ― using the moniker “Danimal876” ― had been posting on the white nationalist group’s private chat server since at least 2017, according to The Daily Beast. He used that handle on multiple platforms, including the white supremacist forum Stormfront, to espouse racist views and engage with likeminded bigots as far back as 2009.........................

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Virginia Cop Identified As Part Of White Nationalist Group (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2019 OP
K&R ck4829 Mar 2019 #1
Dangerous stuff Papyro Mar 2019 #2
Not to get all First Amendment-y, but mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #3
I'm sure he has the right to espouse the views OriginalGeek Mar 2019 #5
The first amendment has nothing to do with your job. It was created to allow people to speak out okaawhatever Mar 2019 #6
Isn't the school system an agent of "the government?" NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #9
That might be a question for a judge if he were fired for speaking out against the school okaawhatever Mar 2019 #11
It is rpannier Mar 2019 #24
No. Absolutely not. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #7
"Congress Shall Make No law".... louis c Mar 2019 #12
Hate Speech is NOT Protected Speech. bitterross Mar 2019 #13
Cite, please. Thanks. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #15
Yes, it is. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #18
Actually it is. You cannot be arrested and prosecuted for things you say. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #22
Not to get all business-y... LanternWaste Mar 2019 #16
That's what this will likely come down to rpannier Mar 2019 #25
If there is a morals clause in his contract leftynyc Mar 2019 #17
What about my right as a citizen to expect me local LEO Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #28
Virginia GOP Identified As Part Of White Nationalist Group lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #4
The cops, the military (their recruiting branch), the judiciary DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #8
He'll get a job as security at Fox News. Beakybird Mar 2019 #10
It's becoming increasingly clear that this isn't a coincidence Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #14
It's a stochastic strategy pushed by Reich Wing & Nazionalist digital platforms. For many reasons: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #19
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #27
whatever they did to uncover his ties to IE needs to happen across the board 0rganism Mar 2019 #20
Ah, white flight L.C. Bird High School obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #21
I am 100% behind weeding out white supremacists, and making life difficult for them. nt Progressive Jones Mar 2019 #23
Turn in that badge Blue Owl Mar 2019 #26

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,284 posts)
3. Not to get all First Amendment-y, but
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:23 PM
Mar 2019

doesn't he have the right "to espouse racist views and engage with likeminded bigots" and not as a result of this association be "suspended from his job at the high school...."?

Has he been suspended for his beliefs or for his acts? What were those acts?

I'm asking for a friend:



Source: https://blog.library.gsu.edu/2012/03/23/secularists-descend-upon-d-c-for-reason-rally/

Yes, this again.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
5. I'm sure he has the right to espouse the views
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:31 PM
Mar 2019

I'm not sure he gets to be free from the consequences of espousing them. The school district shouldn't have to give him a platform for recruiting school kids to his dopey, ignorant group.

But I am not a lawyer.


If I ran a business and I found out you supported all those racist views I think I can legally decide you're too stupid to work for me. I guess, depending on the state, I might have to jump though hoops to fire you legally but those are hoops I'd happily jump through.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
6. The first amendment has nothing to do with your job. It was created to allow people to speak out
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:34 PM
Mar 2019

against the government without prosecution. An employer can, in most states, fire people at will. The big exception to that is if the firing infringes on some other right of the individual (like freedom from discrimination based on color or national origin).

Also, certain jobs have higher standards due to their nature. A police officer must demonstrate ability to make arrests without bias. Not only would it be problematic for a jury, it would likely result in white criminals being left on the street putting the public at risk.

A police officer needs public trust to effectively do their job. That can't happen when you're a member of a hate group labeled as an Extremist Group.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
11. That might be a question for a judge if he were fired for speaking out against the school
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:55 PM
Mar 2019

system, or even the state or federal government. That isn't the case here.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
24. It is
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 10:43 PM
Mar 2019

But the question would be what the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) states
If there is an agreement with the Union, then that supersedes everything else.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
7. No. Absolutely not.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:34 PM
Mar 2019

While public employees do have more protection from employer (the government) sanctions due to their speech, a line HAS to be drawn when they say or do things that would show a bias against people they interact with in the course of their job.

Seriously, how could this guy EVER testify in court or write a report about an African American suspect/defendant and not have his hatred brought up? He can’t. Furthermore, every case he has ever prosecuted against a Minority Person can and should be brought in to question.

How can this even be a question?

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
12. "Congress Shall Make No law"....
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 03:12 PM
Mar 2019

Free speech does not protect you in the workplace.

Unions do and Civil Service will, but as a school resource officer, his racist beliefs can put children at risk. As a police officer, he would have to go through psychological evaluations in order to be placed in certain assignments.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
13. Hate Speech is NOT Protected Speech.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 03:14 PM
Mar 2019

These groups espouse hate and their speech is hate speech. The courts have ruled on that. It is not protected.

Captain Stern

(2,199 posts)
18. Yes, it is.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 03:55 PM
Mar 2019

There have been several supreme court rulings that have determined that hate speech is protected by the first amendment.

However, the first amendment just means that we can't be arrested, jailed, etc. by the government because of what we say. But, it doesn't mean we are protected from the consequences of our speech by the government either. That means we can be criticized, ridiculed, and even fired. And, if any of those things happen to us, we are still free to repeat the same thing again.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. Actually it is. You cannot be arrested and prosecuted for things you say.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 06:33 PM
Mar 2019

But you can and should be fired from a job when it is determined that the views you expose put the people you work with at risk.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Not to get all business-y...
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 03:50 PM
Mar 2019

but employees (Yes, Virginia... even government employers) often sign a contract which stipulates, among other things, the employer will not tolerate affiliations which even remotely lend themselves to predispositions of intolerance or prejudicial bias, as they reflect poorly upon the business.

There a hundreds of case laws you can reference for precedent.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. What about my right as a citizen to expect me local LEO
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:14 AM
Mar 2019

to discharge their duties in a fair and impartial manner?

That sound you hears is a hundred thousand defense attorneys jizzing their pants at the thought of defending their client from charges brought up by a neo-nazi local police department...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. Virginia GOP Identified As Part Of White Nationalist Group
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:26 PM
Mar 2019

[Story is from last year; it's just one example]

Virginia Republicans just nominated an alt-right hero to run for Senate
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17458452/alt-right-corey-stewart-virginia-gop

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
8. The cops, the military (their recruiting branch), the judiciary
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 02:42 PM
Mar 2019

The right supremacist nazis have infiltrated everything. It's like that scene from "Poltergiest 2" when the little girl says "They're BACK!"

They're on our side of the Atlantic this time. What will we do? Fight a "Civil Second World War"?

The end of the soviet union? LOFL! pootin wins.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. It's becoming increasingly clear that this isn't a coincidence
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 03:23 PM
Mar 2019

and nazi types are actively seeking service in the military/law enforcement I don't know if it's the power trip, the opportunity to shoot someone, or what...

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,939 posts)
19. It's a stochastic strategy pushed by Reich Wing & Nazionalist digital platforms. For many reasons:
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 04:09 PM
Mar 2019

* control
* recruitment
* access to armories when they think the ShitHitsTheFan
* direct oppression of non-white folk up to and including murder
* smuggling to & from white nazionalists behind bars
* potential (in their fantasies) of a coup
* ...

0rganism

(23,920 posts)
20. whatever they did to uncover his ties to IE needs to happen across the board
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 04:11 PM
Mar 2019

zero tolerance for these pathetic nazi-wannabes in law enforcement and other forms of public service. time's up. public employee job or hate group affiliations: pick one (or less).

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