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mobeau69

(11,143 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:16 AM Apr 2019

House committee sends new letter to IRS demanding Trump's tax returns

Source: CNN

(CNN)House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal is not backing down on his request for six years of the President Donald Trump's personal and business tax returns, he writes In a new letter sent Saturday to IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig.

In a two-page letter, Neal writes that he believes his committee is well within its rights to see the President's tax returns and that he expects a decision from the IRS within the next 10 days.

"I expect a reply from the IRS by 5:00 p.m. on April 23, 2019. Please know that if you fail to comply, your failure will be interpreted as a denial of my request," Neal writes.

The letter leans heavily into the committee's legal rational for the returns and Neal writes that, "I am aware that concerns have been raised regarding my request, and the authority of the committee. Those concerns lack merit. Moreover, judicial precedent commands that none of the concerns raised can legitimately be used to deny the committee's request."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/trump-tax-returns-house-letter-irs/index.html



Neal's letter: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/house-cmte-letter-to-irs/index.html
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House committee sends new letter to IRS demanding Trump's tax returns (Original Post) mobeau69 Apr 2019 OP
k and R riversedge Apr 2019 #1
Oooh, a sternly worded letter. That'll work. Shrike47 Apr 2019 #2
There was a line back when I was in college MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #15
Tell me about it !!! pangaia Apr 2019 #17
This captures the issue perfectly. JudyM Apr 2019 #25
I think it was Robin Williams in his stand-up act, pointing out the difference between American cops Aristus Apr 2019 #32
I believe you are correct. MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #33
One makes the formal demand to set the grounds for legal action or congressional mandate. Fred Sandman Apr 2019 #34
Reminds Me of SpongeBob Episode: Squidville modrepub Apr 2019 #36
Does the "denial" part dangermouse2017 Apr 2019 #3
+1 Little Star Apr 2019 #18
F*** the letter ebbie15644 Apr 2019 #4
Why not have the Sergeant of Arms in the House Cartaphelius Apr 2019 #5
In the GOP's world, this IS backing down. Neal already gave them a deadline. mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #6
what about a THIRD PAGE ROB-ROX Apr 2019 #7
LOL. "not backing down?" Back to the same old crap, moving the goalpost (deadline) again and again PSPS Apr 2019 #8
File the damn lawsuit now! Thunderbeast Apr 2019 #9
Another letter, another new deadline. Giving them 10 f***ing days? KPN Apr 2019 #10
I like that! Delmette2.0 Apr 2019 #19
To quote the great George Carlin dangermouse2017 Apr 2019 #22
The GOP only understands subpoena. sarcasmo Apr 2019 #11
They don't understand subpoenas either. Kablooie Apr 2019 #28
Chill, the Dems are just doing this by the book. Very smart WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2019 #12
Problem is that Trump tears up the book. Kablooie Apr 2019 #29
Maybe if they used all caps they'd get better results? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #13
This is like ordering my daughter to clean up her room or else. BarbD Apr 2019 #14
"I expect a reply from the IRS by 5:00 p.m. on April 23, 2019 pangaia Apr 2019 #16
More bullshit form the spineless..... vishnura Apr 2019 #20
"If you fail to comply, your failure will be louis-t Apr 2019 #21
Yeah, it makes the committee look like a paper tiger, along with all the other committees and DNC. ancianita Apr 2019 #23
Stop already with the letters, GOP doesn't respect the law and now it needs to be applied to them. lark Apr 2019 #24
Can Pelosi send US marshalls to the IRS vlyons Apr 2019 #26
And when they refuse again? Kablooie Apr 2019 #27
Then Rettig is breaking the law. OnDoutside Apr 2019 #30
The BIGGEST thing here is bluestarone Apr 2019 #31
Make a citizens arrest. James48 Apr 2019 #35

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
2. Oooh, a sternly worded letter. That'll work.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:23 AM
Apr 2019

I know they need to proceed in an orderly, logical manner. It just annoys me. I want a lightning-fast raid and incarceration of the Trumpistas.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
15. There was a line back when I was in college
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 01:03 PM
Apr 2019

(possibly from Monty Python)

Halt, or I shall be forced to shout "Halt!" again!

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
25. This captures the issue perfectly.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:35 PM
Apr 2019

They’ve got the gloves off and they’re up to their elbows in corruption and we don’t want to get our fingernails dirty. There’s a time to parry with civility but that time has passed. Hoping against hope that our Constitution is up to the fight.

Aristus

(66,325 posts)
32. I think it was Robin Williams in his stand-up act, pointing out the difference between American cops
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 04:02 PM
Apr 2019

and British cops.

American cops: Blam-blam-blam-blam-blam-blam!!! "Stop or I'll shoot!"

British cops: 'Stop! Or I shall say 'stop' again!"

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
36. Reminds Me of SpongeBob Episode: Squidville
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 08:12 AM
Apr 2019

Policeman: Hold it right there, Mr. Tentacles!
Squidward: Stand back! I've got gardening tools! [the policeman hands him an envelope]
Policeman: Here! Just read this! [Squidward looks at it]
Squidward: What is it?
Policeman: A well thought out and organized list of complaints!

 

dangermouse2017

(50 posts)
3. Does the "denial" part
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

Make the other IRS law that David K Johnston mentioned?

The 1 about IRS official denies a lawful request means 5 years in federal prison?

 

Cartaphelius

(868 posts)
5. Why not have the Sergeant of Arms in the House
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019

and capitol police arrest the IRS official that has made the decision to violate the law?

Then ask him under oath, what led him openly and willingly to violate the law that is direct
violation of his oath of office as well the law?

Provide him a Public Defender for 10 minutes with legal council prior to walking in the Committee to answer the charges against him.Heaven forbid they are held accountable for their crimes against HUMANITY.
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. In the GOP's world, this IS backing down. Neal already gave them a deadline.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:01 PM
Apr 2019

Now, it's 10 more days, and all he's asking for is a DECISION ...

This is mealy-mouthed bullshit if you ask me. THERE AIN'T NO F***ING DECISION TO BE MADE ON THEIR END.

This letter should've been a threat of impeachment (or at minimum the referral of criminal charges to DoJ) of Rettig if the documents that he is REQUIRED BY LAW to furnish are not handed over by, say, this Friday.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
7. what about a THIRD PAGE
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:02 PM
Apr 2019

The third page should have listed the laws which would be broken if he did not comply. I think the corrupt criminals will just try to beat the clock and STALL for time. We do not know if this criminal is sent to jail will another CLOWN take his place? I understand these papers are not hard to find and deliver, but the clowns will pretend they have to "find" the papers and "print" the papers. The clowns have to be told they will be subject to a penalty if they do NOT do their job............

PSPS

(13,593 posts)
8. LOL. "not backing down?" Back to the same old crap, moving the goalpost (deadline) again and again
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:10 PM
Apr 2019

Sorry, but accommodating lawlessness can't be described as "not backing down."

Our democratic house is just chock full of milquetoast, isn't it? Not to worry. On the 23rd, another "strongly-worded" letter will provide yet another deadline, probably with "and this time, i really mean it!!111!!"

KPN

(15,642 posts)
10. Another letter, another new deadline. Giving them 10 f***ing days?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:16 PM
Apr 2019

The tRumpistas are laughing. Why not 72 hours!? End of the day Monday? Geezus!

"The letter leans heavily into the committee's rationale"? Like the tRumpistas don't know the law? How the hell do they think tRump has been able to get away with his con the past 50 years? Lawyers that know the law!

So here's what we'll see next:

On April 22 the IRS will respond requesting another 14 days because they need to, oh I don't know, finish their detailed review of the massively long tax return to redact any information regarding 2nd and 3rd parties that falls under the strict privacy requirements of the Privacy Act (this takes weeks but we're trying to speed that and complete it within two weeks -- we'll let you know if we need more time in about 12 days or so) or some other bullshit. That the Dems will then say: "Okay, that's it! But after that we mean business!"

I was a bureaucrat. I understand process. But I'm beginning to get really pissed.

 

dangermouse2017

(50 posts)
22. To quote the great George Carlin
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:11 PM
Apr 2019

It's a big ole club for the real owners of America
And you ain't in it,
You and I are not part of of the club,

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
28. They don't understand subpoenas either.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:06 PM
Apr 2019

If a subpoena is issued they can ignore it too.
It's only law, something they know they don't have to comply with because they are team Trump.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
29. Problem is that Trump tears up the book.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:08 PM
Apr 2019

And the Attorney General will burn the pages if Trump wants him to.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,588 posts)
13. Maybe if they used all caps they'd get better results?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

Impeach Mnuchin now, make a criminal referral NOW.

FUCK "the math"

BarbD

(1,192 posts)
14. This is like ordering my daughter to clean up her room or else.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

And the "or else" has to have some enforceable teeth in it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. "I expect a reply from the IRS by 5:00 p.m. on April 23, 2019
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 01:06 PM
Apr 2019

April 23 ??? Was dat about???

Shit, why not April 15??

That's Monday.


lark

(23,096 posts)
24. Stop already with the letters, GOP doesn't respect the law and now it needs to be applied to them.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:31 PM
Apr 2019

Issue fucking subpoenas to Mnuchin and everyone else in line with the IRS nd put his ass in jail if needed. He is breaking the law and needs to be held accountable. Damn, I am so sick of Dems being sineliness. especially when they are 100% in the right legally and morally and ethically. ACT!!!

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
26. Can Pelosi send US marshalls to the IRS
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:43 PM
Apr 2019

to arrest Charles Rettig for failure to follow the law? I doubt Bad Boy Barr would issue an arrest warrant. Why is he extending the grace period to April 23? Gosh, why can't Dems get tough with Trump's criminal enablers? I'm sick of the MF and his neo-Fascist enablers.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
27. And when they refuse again?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:04 PM
Apr 2019

I don't think they have guts to arrest anyone. It would be too disruptive and create a war.

Either they have to gear up for a massive battle or concede that Trump is above the law.

I expect we will see sternly phrased requests continuing until the 2020 election.

bluestarone

(16,916 posts)
31. The BIGGEST thing here is
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:16 PM
Apr 2019

The House better have TEETH sharpened and READY on the 23'd! SOMETHING has got to happen in my eyes!

James48

(4,435 posts)
35. Make a citizens arrest.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:29 AM
Apr 2019

In my state, any citizen can make a citizens arrest of someone who has committed a felony.

If I see the IRS Commissioner, I’d walk up and place him under arrest.

Hey, why hasn’t anyone called the FBI on the IRS Commissioner already? And asked whom he has spoken with ( conspiracy to commit a felony) at the White House?

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