Kentucky teen who sued over school ban for refusing chickenpox vaccination now has chickenpox
Source: NBC News
A northern Kentucky teenager banned from school for refusing the chickenpox vaccination due to his religious beliefs has come down with the childhood malady, his attorney said Wednesday.
Jerome Kunkel, a student at Our Lady of the Sacred Heart Assumption Academy, first started showing chickenpox symptoms last week and hopes to have recovered by next week, a lawyer for the 18-year-old told NBC News.
Kunkel and his family have no regrets about their decision to not be vaccinated.
"These are deeply held religious beliefs, they're sincerely held beliefs," family attorney Christopher Wiest said. "From their perspective, they always recognized they were running the risk of getting it, and they were OK with it."
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Drum
(9,135 posts)FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)... I'm sure of it.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)I've never read any mention in the bible about vaccinations being against the will of god, so what IS their complaint ?
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)Then he doesnt believe in any medical care to treat it, right?
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)kimbutgar
(21,111 posts)Itchy scabs and you are really uncomfortable. I hope this kid suffers for his stupidity.
Submariner
(12,503 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)A friend's teenage daughter even had blisters on her anus.
BigmanPigman
(51,583 posts)I was in my 30s and got a gamma globulin shot (sp?) after he got his and I was exposed so mine weren't as bad as his. I counted his (really) and he had over 500 of them. About 3 months later a friend and coworker got them too. This was in the 90s before the vaccine.
That kid got KARMA along with his chicken pox.
dlk
(11,541 posts)Freely practicing religion is one thing. Freely infecting others because of religion is not. Chicken Pox in adults can be extremely serious.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)It's their God's will you know.
dlk
(11,541 posts)We need to hear more about freedom from religion, as our country was founded on that idea.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)Often dominant sociopaths (and some psychopaths) wanting to coerce/force/persecute/torture people into their political religions. Today they tend to use psychological torture more than physical torture ... but physical torture is certainly abundant in some areas.
keithbvadu2
(36,745 posts)Religious freedom? ...
Cool: I must / cannot do it because of my religious beliefs.
..... I decide for myself.
Cool?: You must / cannot do it because of my religious beliefs.
..... I decide for you.
Uncool?: I must / cannot do it because of your religious beliefs.
..... You decide for me?
trixie2
(905 posts)"Your rights end where others begin".
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)RKP5637
(67,102 posts)...both measles, chicken pox and polio when I was young. Sure wished I had a cure back then.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)life I had shingles. I've gotten the vaccine for Shingles. I never want to have that again. I don't understand these folks that want to avoid vaccines. I think a lot of it is based on outright ignorance and a refusal to learn.
skylucy
(3,738 posts)leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)that Jerome won't have any long term lasting results from his contracting this disease.
So what happens if he gets the mumps and becomes sterile?
Polio - in an iron lung?
And the myriad of other life altering consequences for this choice?
More importantly, he can infect others who are MEDICALLY UNABLE to be vaccinated!
Idiot.
Hav
(5,969 posts)It stays dormant in your body forever. Something effecting your immune system or sometimes only stress can lead to another outbreak. It's like a virus infection affecting your whole body and that is how you feel with it after a few days. Highly contagious and also painful like open wounds once the rash opens up.
leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)I had the chicken pox as a child (no vaccine available then) and also shingles as an adult. Hideous experience!
My internist recommended the new shingles vaccine to me during my physical recently. Apparently, the new one is better. Less likely to actually give you shingles.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I got one "poc" when I was an infant, too early to be vaccinated. When I was 12 I got the Shingles. When I was 21, I got cold sores. All connected to that one "poc" when I was an infant. I've gotten the shingles vaccine, but mostly that means I probably won't get them on my optic nerve and go blind. But as I get older, the odds increase that I'll get the shingles again. By the way, they really hurt. Really.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)Not sure what they do about them these days, but some decades ago, someone who got cold sores frequently was advised to get a small pox vaccination every six months. Have no idea that they have done ever since that became unavailable.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It reduces the frequency significantly. Of course as I get older, it may become less effective.
L-Lysine helps too.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)I've long wondered what the replacement was.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I take it regularly, but it did not prevent a massive case of shingles.
unblock
(52,183 posts)i get that some people might not understand the medical efficacy or the risks, or they might mistakenly believe that they cause autism or sterility or something idiotic like that, but those aren't "religious" objections.
outside of christian scientists, who object to just about all things medical, what's the religious objection?
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)religion says. What a crock! They need to get a life, wake up and join the 21st century.
Gregory Peccary
(490 posts)"Some ultraconservative Catholics oppose chickenpox vaccinations because it was developed in the 1960s from cell lines of two aborted fetuses."
Oh the horror.
unblock
(52,183 posts)that many are suffering in their honor, lest something good come from their abortions....
or is that not how to play this religion thing? not sure....
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)I think according to RCC doctrine. Although I'm no expert.
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)And it turns out I'm loosing that bet.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development
Although it was Rubella not chicken pox that was developed in the sixties. Several more vaccines have been developed from human tissue in the mean time, including chicken pox. The article doesn't say that these later vaccines were developed from fetal cells. But it is a possibility.
However there is this from the National Catholic Bioethics Center.
One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them.
Interesting ethical question if you believe all abortions are evil. No ethical problem if you agree that the abortion of a probably defective fetus is justifiable.
"In 1941, Australian ophthalmologist Norman Gregg first realized that congenital cataracts in babies were the result of their mothers being infected with rubella during pregnancy. Along with cataracts, it was eventually determined that congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) could also cause deafness, heart disease, encephalitis, mental retardation, and pneumonia, among many other conditions. "
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)In regards to not following a religious belief. I had a discussion with my sister's orthodox Rabbi about breaking a religious law on moral and ethical grounds. It is against the Jewish religion to drive or use a phone on the Sabbath. If there is an accident with injuries in front of your home on the Sabbath and no one who is not an orthodox Jew is around you must do whatever is necessary to protect the injured whether it is calling 911 or if necessary driving the injured to a hospital. The sin would be to not do anything. Not having your children vaccinated is the sin.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)about the day her Father drove his wagon on the Sabbath.
One of his neighbors broke his leg and the nearest doctor was in a town several miles away, so he loaded him in his wagon and drove him there as quickly as possible.
Afterwards some of his neighbors criticized him for driving his wagon on the Sabbath, but he just replied that he thought the Lord would understand.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)And there are even weirder ones out there.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)They tend to forget that "everything" also includes doctors, hospitals, epidemiologists, scientists, etc.
Gregory Peccary
(490 posts)We all know Satan creates the vaccines. God only gets credit for the good things!
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)A good thing, which I guess they do!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,169 posts)I suspect its more that "religious" folks with those kinds of extreme beliefs, also are big government conspiracy theory nuts. All mixed up with the belief that the big bad gub'mint is a secular institution that is always trying to block their rights and their beliefs (Like the "war on Christmas, forcing schools to remove the Lord's prayer, etc). Mostly home schoolers who don't even trust public schools not brainwashing their children with pro-liberal big gub'mint indoctrination. Thus, anything initiated by the gub'mint MUST BE inherently evil and anti-Christian.
3Hotdogs
(12,366 posts)gotten from the vaccine.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,366 posts)Do ya read. "Blessed are the vaccinated..." anywhere?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Ha ha! Joke's on you, pro-vaxxers!
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)Gregory Peccary
(490 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hey, it seems to be working!
nini
(16,672 posts)I'm over these idiots.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)Not chicken pox.
nini
(16,672 posts)I still want him to be sterile
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Last edited Wed May 8, 2019, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)
The schadenfreude is well deserved with this sniveling little shit.
Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)FACT: Measles can be prevented with a safe and effective vaccine. FACT: The risk of death from measles is higher for adults and infants than for children. ... FACT: Measles can cause life-threatening pneumonia and brain inflammation, middle-ear infection, severe diarrhea, and sometimes death.
progressoid
(49,968 posts)sakabatou
(42,146 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)and unable to pass on his family's sincerely held beliefs.
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
keithbvadu2
(36,745 posts)Expose him to pornography?
Some folks religion/personal beliefs are ok with pornography.
Share a few pics of republican example of family values Melania.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)He is well familiar with it.
keithbvadu2
(36,745 posts)No, No! Of course not. He is too faithful to look at porn and protected by his parents.
Sarcasm?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Life... finds a way!
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I had chicken pox when I was in 8th grade. It wasnt too miserable I my case, honestly. But boy do I dread shingles in a few years.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)Dumbass!
Initech
(100,060 posts)Gee, you think this would happen?
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Danmel
(4,912 posts)Last edited Thu May 9, 2019, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)
The official position of the church is that if vaccines that do not derive from fetal cell lines are available, they are preffered over vaccines that may have been cultured in fetal cells. However, if no alternative is available, it is better to be vaccinated to protect your health and the health of those around you. The attenuation from the development of the vaccine to now mitigates in favor of vaccination.
Likewise in Judaism for medications or vaccines that may contain porcine gelatin. It is not being "consumed" in the way a piece of bacon is consumed.
The obligation is to live by the commandments, not die by them.