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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:23 PM May 2019

Supreme Court's conservatives overturn precedent as liberals ask 'which cases the court will overrul

Source: Washington Post

Courts & Law
Supreme Court’s conservatives overturn precedent as liberals ask ‘which cases the court will overrule next’

By Robert Barnes
May 13 at 12:36 PM

The Supreme Court’s conservative majority overturned a 41-year-old precedent Monday, prompting a pointed warning from liberal justices about “which cases the court will overrule next.” ... The issue in Monday’s 5 to 4 ruling was one of limited impact: whether states have sovereign immunity from private lawsuits in the courts of other states. In 1979, the Supreme Court ruled that there is no constitutional right to such immunity, although states are free to extend it to one another and often do.

But the court’s conservative majority overruled that decision, saying there was an implied right in the Constitution that means states “could not be haled involuntarily before each other’s courts,” in the words of Justice Clarence Thomas, who wrote Monday’s decision. ... Thomas acknowledged the departure from the legal doctrine of stare decisis, in which courts are to abide by settled law without a compelling reason to overrule the decision.

But he said the court’s decision four decades ago in Nevada v. Hall “is contrary to our constitutional design and the understanding of sovereign immunity shared by the states that ratified the Constitution. Stare decisis does not compel continued adherence to this erroneous precedent.”

As was evident during the confirmation hearings of President Trump’s nominees to the Supreme Court — Justices Neal M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh — liberals are worried about what other court precedents the newly fortified conservative majority will find wrongly decided. ... Justice Stephen G. Breyer clearly had other issues — abortion rights, for instance, or affirmative action — in mind in his dissent. ... It is “dangerous to overrule a decision only because five members of a later court come to agree with earlier dissenters on a difficult legal question,” Breyer wrote, adding: “Today’s decision can only cause one to wonder which cases the court will overrule next.”
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The case is Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt.

Robert Barnes has been a Washington Post reporter and editor since 1987. He joined The Post to cover Maryland politics, and he has served in various editing positions, including metropolitan editor and national political editor. He has covered the Supreme Court since November 2006. Follow https://twitter.com/scotusreporter

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-courts-conservatives-overturn-precedent-as-liberals-ask-which-cases-the-court-will-overrule-next/2019/05/13/b4d3c4f8-7595-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html



Supreme Court’s conservatives overturn precedent as liberals ask ‘which cases the court will overrule next’


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Supreme Court's conservatives overturn precedent as liberals ask 'which cases the court will overrul (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 OP
On the other hand, in Apple v. Pepper, also released today, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #1
Here's the opinion for Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt: mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 #2
Gee. D'ya think this might be a trial balloon to normalize throwing stare decisis out the window Stonepounder May 2019 #3
Sounds ominous, like a departure from history, law -- everything a corporate state would want. ancianita May 2019 #6
I'm not sure the conservatives aren't right this time qazplm135 May 2019 #4
I agree. MicaelS May 2019 #7
Rhetorical question. They can hardly wait to usher in the forced-birth era. n/t TygrBright May 2019 #5
What is an "implied right" to a conservative originalist? zaj May 2019 #8
So much for "settled law." LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #9
"You can start the countdown clock for the end of Roe v. Wade." FiveGoodMen May 2019 #12
My favorite protest sign so far: LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #14
Love it! Omaha Steve May 2019 #15
+ 1 iluvtennis May 2019 #16
Replacing Clarence Thomas after January, 2021 is the only hope AdamGG May 2019 #10
Nevada v Hall Was Decided 6-3 DallasNE May 2019 #11
We are in deep trouble as a nation. riversedge May 2019 #13
We are living in a FASCIST DICTATORSHIP. AZ8theist May 2019 #17
"SCOTUS was the prize and that is all you have to think about nothing else." mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 #18

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,669 posts)
1. On the other hand, in Apple v. Pepper, also released today,
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:30 PM
May 2019

Kavanaugh sided with the four liberals in favor of consumers, buyers of apps from the Apple Store. This totally pissed off Gorsuch, who argued in his dissent that the majority was upending precedent. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-204_bq7d.pdf

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
3. Gee. D'ya think this might be a trial balloon to normalize throwing stare decisis out the window
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:36 PM
May 2019

so when it comes to Roe v Wade, the precedent will already been set that SCOTUS doesn't need to be held to stare decisis?

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
6. Sounds ominous, like a departure from history, law -- everything a corporate state would want.
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:12 PM
May 2019

Not immediately. But the groundwork looks as if it's being laid.

But the wrong kind -- constitutionally shaky ground.

It's like the Constitution is getting fracked.

It seems as if there will be legal earthquakes in this country.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
4. I'm not sure the conservatives aren't right this time
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:46 PM
May 2019

I'm not sure the Constitution doesn't protect one state from being hauled into the court of another state, and to me, the federal courts were designed for state on state cases.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
7. I agree.
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:17 PM
May 2019

No state should be permitted to do so to another state. Unless some states are more equal than others.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
8. What is an "implied right" to a conservative originalist?
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:39 PM
May 2019

It's either stated or not

I don't get that. Unless all of conservative legal doctrine is just convenient arguments made at any given moment designed to sound more credible than "we get what we want and we want what gets us power".

9. So much for "settled law."
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:49 PM
May 2019

Just remember that was the answer each of the conservative justice candidates gave when asked about Roe v. Wade. "It's settled law."

So was Nevada v. Hall, which was decided 40 years ago.

You can start the countdown clock for the end of Roe v. Wade.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
12. "You can start the countdown clock for the end of Roe v. Wade."
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:58 PM
May 2019

I wish at least one of the parties had thought it was worth fighting for.

AdamGG

(1,288 posts)
10. Replacing Clarence Thomas after January, 2021 is the only hope
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:49 PM
May 2019

Hopefully, if he's writing the decisions now, he feels too vital to retire under Trump.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
11. Nevada v Hall Was Decided 6-3
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:55 PM
May 2019

This ruling means that no prior ruling is safe from being overturned. Not even those that were decided 9-0, like Nixon on the tapes, are safe.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
18. "SCOTUS was the prize and that is all you have to think about nothing else."
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:58 PM
May 2019
I agree fully with @stevenmazie here. Breyer is talking about constitutional precedents well beyond abortion rights. And Breyer’s concerns seem amply justified.



You'll have to unroll this:

My reading of Breyer's ominous rumination today (“Today’s decision can only cause one to wonder which cases the Court will overrule next”) is a bit different from most takes I've seen. It's not, I think, just a warning about the fragility of abortion rights. 1/7



When I look back at 2016 I kept tweeting and saying that SCOTUS was the prize and that is all you have to think about nothing else. You know who I worry about a lot are the Native American People and their Sovereign Land. Donors would love access & that's precedent.


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