Trump Administration Sends Out Notices Of $500,000 Fines For Those In U.S. Illegally

[orangecrush]

Source: NPR

The Trump administration is seeking to fine some immigrants in the United States illegally hundreds of thousands of dollars for failing to take steps to leave after being ordered to do so, according to government documents obtained by NPR.

The Department of Homeland Security sent out a batch of notices across the country to targeted individuals ordering them to pay fines of up to nearly $500,000 for "failing to depart the U.S. as previously agreed," among other factors.


It's the latest hard-line effort by the administration as it clamps down on illegal immigration at the border and increases interior enforcement.

"It is the intention of ICE to order you pay a fine in the amount of $497,777," Lisa Hoechst, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer, wrote to Edith Espinal Moreno in a letter dated June 25, 2019, obtained by NPR from lawyers for Moreno.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/738059913/trump-administration-sends-out-notices-of-500-000-fines-for-those-in-u-s-illegal

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The hate is turning white hot.

[duforsure]

1. Judges should remember this

When he's given fines for evading taxes.

[dawg day]

2. Sounds like a scam... Trump too.

why not send bills to the Trump golf clubs which employ and exploit undocumented workers?

[orangecrush]

5. Great idea.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

16. Did they ever prove that Melania entered the country legally?

If not, I wonder if she'll get a letter.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. This is not a policy. It is a shakedown.

Not sure of the law, but excessive fines seems an issue. This is like getting a speeding ticket for $45,000.00.

[orangecrush]

6. Democrats need to haul

Stephen Miller in for a meeting.

[Midnight Writer]

4. Isn't there some sort of due process that must be followed here?

[orangecrush]

7. Not anymore, apparently.

They are testing the waters with migrants.


We are next.

[Eugene]

8. The Eighth Amendment

The Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution states: “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.” This amendment prohibits the federal government from imposing unduly harsh penalties on criminal defendants, either as the price for obtaining pretrial release or as punishment for crime after conviction.

That applies to the #TrumpCamps too, especially since seeking asylum is not even a crime.

[safeinOhio]

12. Just like the words of Jesus...

They have a loop hole for that...

[PSPS]

14. LOL. The eighth amendment of what? We're not a country of laws anymore.

[leftofcool]

9. Good luck collecting that.

[Brainfodder]

10. This would work on The Onion too?

YIKES!



It's like they are trying to out absurd themselves over and over?
With apparently no end to their tolerance?

[procon]

11. Sounds suspiciously illegal to pull that figure

out of thin air without some sort of legislative approval.

And why the add amount? Does that have some secret, code word meaning to white supremacists or some kooky Trump fan club?

[ripcord]

27. The law allows for fines of up to $500 a day

That is $182,500 a year, I was reading an article awhile back and they talked to a guy who had been under a deportation order for 10 years, that's damn close to two million dollars in fines.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Did they send one to his wife, Melania? I believe she entered this

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country using a visa she wasn't qualified to use.

[PSPS]

15. Hard to distinguish from those fake IRS calls from India demanding you pay a "tax penalty."

[The Liberal Lion]

21. I like that

That's funny

[pnwmom]

17. This is so they can eventually claim that undocumented people owe us BILLIONS in unpaid fines n/t

[The Mouth]

19. acute observation! EOM

[orangecrush]

23. Bullseye.

[The Mouth]

18. If they made that the fine for each undocumented person EMPLOYED

and fined the employer- be it a homeowner or a corporation - *then* it might be effective.


All along, anyone on either side of the immigration debate well knows that the easy and effective solution would be to fine anyone EMPLOYING the undocumented person. If no one hired them, many if not most would leave, except for the true refugees. But that would discomfit the corporations and fat cats.

[tclambert]

32. There's already a fine for the employer. It's $250.

If anybody bothers to enforce it. You could argue that it's not worth enforcing because enforcement would cost more than the fine. And you'd be right.

[The Liberal Lion]

20. ...and the Nazis collected the art, clothes, and wealth of Jews and other minorites in Germany

before shipping them off to camps.

Never again

[orangecrush]

24. +1

[alwaysinasnit]

22. Since they can't pay it, the debt would serve as an excuse to deny any future legal avenue

of immigration. Just a thought.

[orangecrush]

25. Exactly

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Trump should read the copy of the Constitution that's hanging on his toilet paper roll.

Now he's wiping his ass with the Eighth Amendment: “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”

[Tanuki]

28. Did Melania Knavs Trump, who allegedly worked here illegally upon arrival and

who has allegedly lied about it for decades, receive one of those notices?

[yaesu]

29. I would tell tRump & his fascist government to stick it where the sun don't shine. nt

[stillcool]

30. what a waste of time, and money..

on a gimmick, a campaign prop that Trump won't have to pay for.

[MineralMan]

31. Will they have to pay with gift cards?

Sent to Trump Tower, of course.

[dalton99a]

33. He set it in motion by executive order in Jan. 2017:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-enhancing-public-safety-interior-united-states/

Executive Order: Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States
Issued on: January 25, 2017

Sec. 6. Civil Fines and Penalties. As soon as practicable, and by no later than one year after the date of this order, the Secretary shall issue guidance and promulgate regulations, where required by law, to ensure the assessment and collection of all fines and penalties that the Secretary is authorized under the law to assess and collect from aliens unlawfully present in the United States and from those who facilitate their presence in the United States.

[orangecrush]

34. "from those who facilitate their presence in the United States."

Who could he be referring to?

Churches?

Sanctuary cities?

[cntrfthrs]

35. I wonder...

if these notices were sent out to the 600,000+ illegals from europe...???