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Eugene

(61,872 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:04 PM Jul 2019

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher not guilty of murder in ISIS detainee's death

Source: CNN

San Diego (CNN) — Decorated Navy SEAL team leader Eddie Gallagher was found not guilty of premeditated murder in the death of an ISIS prisoner in Iraq.

While Gallagher was serving Mosul in 2017, Navy prosecutors said he killed a young ISIS fighter who was being treated by US medics, posed for photos next to his corpse and then pressured other SEALs not to report him. Fellow SEALs testified that he also shot at noncombatants.

Gallagher was found not guilty of all but one charge, posing for a photo with a human casualty. He faces a maximum sentence of four months, although he has already served 201 days.

Sentencing begins Tuesday afternoon.

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By Jack Hannah, Nick Watt and Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
Updated 2158 GMT (0558 HKT) July 2, 2019


Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/eddie-gallagher-navy-seal-trial-verdict/index.html

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Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher not guilty of murder in ISIS detainee's death (Original Post) Eugene Jul 2019 OP
Figures. Guess he'll go be a policeman or mercenary now. Hoyt Jul 2019 #1
Have to wonder if the jurors have committed atrocities. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #2
Going strictly on the evidence reportedly introduced at the court-martial... ADX Jul 2019 #3
You mean... jmowreader Jul 2019 #4
Yeah, that evidence... ADX Jul 2019 #7
If the verdict is wrong Roy Rolling Jul 2019 #8
That's always true. Igel Jul 2019 #11
If the determination as to whether the stab was a tracheotomy or not had been that easy to make... ADX Jul 2019 #13
and those who posed with corpses for giggles. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #16
Yeah, actually it is hell for them too... ADX Jul 2019 #17
Probably more persuasive MosheFeingold Jul 2019 #9
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2019 #5
He could be a cop in Wichita...... Bengus81 Jul 2019 #6
Wonder if tRump will give him the Medal of Freedom? old guy Jul 2019 #10
Hmmm. Was thinking the same thing. joshdawg Jul 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Progressive Jones Jul 2019 #14
Trump congratulates Navy SEAL found not guilty of war crimes: 'Glad I could help!' Eugene Jul 2019 #18
"Glad I could help"? mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2019 #19
It's not over... BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #20
He won't get a dishonorable discharge TexasBushwhacker Jul 2019 #21
 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
3. Going strictly on the evidence reportedly introduced at the court-martial...
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jul 2019

...the verdict is the right one under the circumstances...

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
4. You mean...
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jul 2019

...the evidence where the immunized medic claims he really killed the teenager, and Chief Gallagher stabbing him in the neck had nothing to do with it?

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
7. Yeah, that evidence...
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jul 2019

...and the prosecution's inability to prove that the "stab" wasn't an attempt to perform a tracheotomy.

I don't necessarily think Gallagher is innocent but I agree with the not-guilty verdict. The system worked as designed...

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
8. If the verdict is wrong
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jul 2019

And the stab was not a tracheotomy—-an easy determination —-then the system did not work. A system does not work if elements of it are corrupt.

War is hell.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
11. That's always true.
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jul 2019

If the verdict is wrong then by definition the system didn't work.

The question is whether it worked in this case. So we have a person who seems to think that immunity means "freedom to lie to suit somebody." Presumably that's the prosecution--so does this work in the Mueller cases against various Trump surrogates and associates in the last 2 years? I think most would reject that idea, but that's because of bias. We tend to impose our biases on this kind of thing.

I always find it interesting to consider what biases say about individuals and communities.


As for my views on this guy's guilt or innocence, I have none. It's a singleton incident; there are witnesses, many of which have some sort of bias themselves and are more or less trustworthy. Not worth my time to pore over all the evidence and not let my bias-laden quick-thinking module run roughshod over the slow-thinking part of me, esp. since my opinion doesn't just not matter "ultimately," but even "immediately."

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
13. If the determination as to whether the stab was a tracheotomy or not had been that easy to make...
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jul 2019

...it would have been made. When you don't have a body to examine, it makes that conclusion infinitely more difficult to ascertain.

Seven service members listened to the evidence presented at trial and a majority of them failed to find that the prosecution proved Gallagher's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless you're aware of some evidence that they weren't, casting aspersions on their decision simply because you don't like it is unfair and without any merit whatsoever.

I'll agree with you on this much, however: War is indeed hell, especially for those who have been there and done that...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. and those who posed with corpses for giggles.
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:10 AM
Jul 2019

"especially for those who have been there and done that..."

and those who posed with corpses for giggles. It's hell for them, too.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
17. Yeah, actually it is hell for them too...
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:11 AM
Jul 2019

...Sustained exposure to combat sometimes makes good people do strange or bad things that they wouldn't do otherwise do...

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
9. Probably more persuasive
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:48 PM
Jul 2019

was the testimony that the accusers were abject liars.

There were several people, including an Iraqi officer, who said it just didn't happen.

Apparently, the accused was quite the asshole. The defense painted a good story of what was essentially a mutiny-by-false-allegation.

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
6. He could be a cop in Wichita......
Tue Jul 2, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jul 2019

Shoot an unarmed person to death in cold blood in some BS "swatting" incident and then have the D.A. let him walk.

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Eugene

(61,872 posts)
18. Trump congratulates Navy SEAL found not guilty of war crimes: 'Glad I could help!'
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jul 2019

together. Glad I could help!” Trump tweeted.



Gallagher’s case rallied conservatives who argued he was being unfairly prosecuted for his actions in Iraq. Trump intervened in the case in March, ordering that he be freed from pre-trial confinement. Gallagher was reportedly among several war-crime cases Trump for which was considering a pardon.

The Navy SEAL special operations chief was convicted of one charge of posing with the ISIS captive’s body, but was released from custody on time already served.

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Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451522-trump-congratulates-navy-seal-found-not-guilty-of-war-crimes-glad-i

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,405 posts)
19. "Glad I could help"?
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jul 2019

Ahhh, never mind. You already saw this too.

In what sense?

Congratulations to Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher, his wonderful wife Andrea, and his entire family. You have been through much together. Glad I could help!


BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
20. It's not over...
Wed Jul 3, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jul 2019

He was found guilty of posing with a dead combatant. He could be dishonorably discharged and lose his pension.

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