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BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:30 PM Jul 2019

Supreme Court says Trump can proceed with plan to spend military funds for border wall construction

Source: Washington Post



The Supreme Court Friday night on a 5 to 4 vote revived the Trump administration’s plan to use $2.5 billion in Pentagon funds to build part of the wall project along the southern border. The court’s conservatives set aside a U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruling for the Sierra Club and a coalition of border communities that said a reallocation of the Defense Department money would violate federal law. The unsigned ruling by the Supreme Court said the government “made a sufficient showing at this stage” the groups did not have proper standing to challenge transfer of money.

In a 2-to-1 decision earlier this month, the 9th Circuit majority noted that a stalemate between Congress and President Trump over the issue prompted the longest government shutdown in history. The judges reasoned that Congress made its intentions clear by allocating only about $1.4 billion for enhanced border protection. The lower court said the public interest was “best served by respecting the Constitution’s assignment of the power of the purse to Congress, and by deferring to Congress’s understanding of the public interest as reflected in its repeated denial of more funding for border barrier construction.” After Congress’s decision earlier this year, Trump announced plans to use more than $6 billion allocated for other purposes to fund the wall, which was the signature promise of his presidential campaign. Environmentalists and the Southern Border Communities Coalition immediately filed suit to block the transfer of funds. Democrats in the House of Representatives filed a brief supporting them.

U.S. Solicitor General Noel Francisco told the Supreme Court that the 9th Circuit ruling was wrong. “The sole basis for the injunction — that the Acting Secretary exceeded his statutory authority in transferring the funds — rests on a misreading of the statutory text,” Francisco wrote. He was referring to Patrick M. Shanahan, who was acting secretary at the time. Francisco said that the challengers did not have proper legal standing to challenge the transfer of funds. He added that even if they did, their “interests in hiking, birdwatching, and fishing in designated drug-smuggling corridors do not outweigh the harm to the public from halting the government’s efforts to construct barriers to stanch the flow of illegal narcotics across the southern border.”

The money was transferred from DOD personnel funds in response to a request from the Department of Homeland Security. Federal law allows such transfers for “unforeseen” reasons and for expenditures not previously “denied by the Congress.” The administration contends that Congress did not reject the specific expenditures at issue, which would fund projects in California, New Mexico and Arizona. The challengers said Congress was clear. “Congress recently considered, and rejected, the same argument defendants [the government] make here: that a border wall is urgently needed to combat drugs,” said the brief from lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented the groups. “If defendants were nonetheless permitted to obligate taxpayer funds and commence construction, the status quo would be radically and irrevocably altered.” The brief from the U.S. House of Representatives agreed.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-says-trump-can-proceed-with-plan-to-spend-military-funds-for-border-wall-construction/2019/07/26/f2a63d48-aa55-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html





Original article -

By Washington Post Staff
July 26 at 6:27 PM

The Trump administration moved to reallocate the money earlier this year, after Congress denied the president's full request for border wall construction funds. The Sierra Club and a coalition of border communities sued, arguing that President Trump had violated federal law.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/07/26/supreme-court-says-trump-can-proceed-with-plan-to-spend-military-funds-for-border-wall-construction/?utm_term=.571d23514d3e


NYT -

Supreme Court Lets Trump Proceed on Wall Plans Amid Legal Fight

By Adam Liptak

July 26, 2019

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court on Friday allowed the Trump administration to move forward with plans to build a wall along parts of the Mexican border while litigation over paying for it proceeds.

A trial judge had prohibited the administration from transferring $2.5 billion from the Pentagon's budget to fund the effort, and an appeals court had refused to enter a stay while it considered the administration's appeal.

The Supreme Court entered a stay, allowing construction to proceed while the litigation continues.

The court's four more liberal justices dissented. One of them, Justice Stephen G. Breyer, wrote that he would have allowed preparatory work but not construction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/us/politics/supreme-court-border-wall-trump.html


Apparently there is a technicality in that the litigation about this can continue but the SCOTUS lifted the stay from the lower courts on the construction (i.e., the SCOTUS didn't appear to decide on the merits).
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Supreme Court says Trump can proceed with plan to spend military funds for border wall construction (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 OP
I think this is Texas . . . Iliyah Jul 2019 #1
Give it about 5 or 10 years vercetti2021 Jul 2019 #22
Now now, just because military installations need serious infrastructure work and base housing is Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #2
More FEDERALIST SOCIETY BULLSHIT............................... turbinetree Jul 2019 #3
Damn it. sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #4
Silver lining: it is 2.5 billion and that is a drop in the bucket for what a real wall would take hlthe2b Jul 2019 #5
don't you mean they are now free to sdfernando Jul 2019 #12
I'm speaking from the standpoint of actually achieving a border-wide wall. No way in hell. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #15
This is a very scary decision to me! bluestarone Jul 2019 #6
Agree. We are definitely "down the rabbit hole" with this SC Va Lefty Jul 2019 #8
yea no kidding bluestarone Jul 2019 #9
This is why.... Wuddles440 Jul 2019 #25
The law of unintended consequences may play out. A Dem President could then declare hlthe2b Jul 2019 #38
Whoa! You mean the military doesn't really NEED all that money? moonseller66 Jul 2019 #7
That is inspired thinking. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #30
well, well, well.... Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #10
I'm so glad that Hillary and Trump were similar enough to sit out 2016. RandySF Jul 2019 #11
Loss on lack of legal standing is almost always never mentioned in a title. Not dramatic. FredSanderson Jul 2019 #13
A S.Ct 5-4 party line vote allowing the wall to proceed, even based on standing, is a big deal. JudyM Jul 2019 #39
Just SMDH iluvtennis Jul 2019 #14
wondering here bluestarone Jul 2019 #16
I would think Congress BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #17
I guess i assumed the House was party to the suit? bluestarone Jul 2019 #18
For this particular case, the House had filed a brief in support BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #19
maybe we still have a shot at stopping this! TY bluestarone Jul 2019 #20
You are welcome! BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #21
Congress can take away Scalded Nun Jul 2019 #23
The House could do that but of course the Senate would have to agree BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #24
And the US takes another step towards Nazi Germany. Initech Jul 2019 #26
Is it time yet to shut this fucking shitstain government down yet? maxrandb Jul 2019 #27
There are other cases pending BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #28
another good reason why dems shouldn't be working with the fascists on the budget deal. nt yaesu Jul 2019 #29
His base has already forgotten about his promise that Mexico would pay for it... crimycarny Jul 2019 #31
The importance of controlling the Supreme Court rears its ugly head again jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #32
I guess this means the next Democrat can fund medicare for all then without seeking Congressional cstanleytech Jul 2019 #33
But the Supreme Court is in recess Polybius Jul 2019 #34
They always have justices designated to be "on call" for emergencies year round. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #37
All 9 ruled in this one Polybius Jul 2019 #40
I don't think they have to literally "come to work" to rule BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #41
Group Skype? YOHABLO Jul 2019 #43
Before I retired working for the federal government BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #44
This sets a precedent that the executive can use the federal budget as a slush fund Moral Compass Jul 2019 #35
Let's go full 'Puerto Rico' on Trump. If it worked for Puerto Rico it might work for us. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #36
Looks like that's what it's going to come to. ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #42
Great. So our next President, a Democrat, in approximately 18 months... Yeehah Jul 2019 #45

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
22. Give it about 5 or 10 years
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

The GOP grip here is falling and fast. Many new generation Hispanic voters and transplants from other states. Once Texas goes. So does the GOP's chances of ever regaining the presidency for a long time

Leghorn21

(13,523 posts)
2. Now now, just because military installations need serious infrastructure work and base housing is
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:35 PM
Jul 2019

falling apart, that’s no reason to deny this pigfucker and his minions their 300 feet of beautiful artistic “wall”, right

Take all the money you want and fuck the Army, the Navy, the Marines, and all their families, I mean just fuck em

Shameshameshame scotus

From March 30:

Now the Marine Corps' top officer is warning that readiness at Camp Lejeune — home to one third of the Corps' total combat power — is degraded and "will continue to degrade given current conditions." In a recent memo to Navy Secretary Richard Spencer, Commandant Gen. Robert Neller cited, among other "negative factors," the diversion of resources to the border, where the Trump administration has sent active-duty troops to patrol and plans to use military funding to pay for a wall.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/camp-lejeune-still-mess-6-months-after-hurricane-florence-where-n986456

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
3. More FEDERALIST SOCIETY BULLSHIT...............................
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jul 2019


Whats next social security and medicare................can be privatized...................The House of Representatives don't or have the power to allocate money..................

hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
5. Silver lining: it is 2.5 billion and that is a drop in the bucket for what a real wall would take
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jul 2019

He can build some sections, but...

sdfernando

(4,927 posts)
12. don't you mean they are now free to
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jul 2019

seriously and blatantly overcharge for every square-inch that gets, or rather doesn't, get built?

Wuddles440

(1,120 posts)
25. This is why....
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jul 2019

when the Orange Anus says "he can do whatever he wants" - believe him! Not to be overly dramatic, but Moscow Mitch has stacked the SCOTUS for him and has laid the foundation for their absolute rule.

hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
38. The law of unintended consequences may play out. A Dem President could then declare
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 06:53 AM
Jul 2019

a gun-violence and/or climate change emergency and redirect funds and executive orders based on that.

This was a very unwise decision in more ways than one by SCOTUS, no matter which side one might be on.

moonseller66

(430 posts)
7. Whoa! You mean the military doesn't really NEED all that money?
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jul 2019

This can only mean if money can be diverted from the Military, in the view of SCOTUS, we have spent more than is needed on the Military budget. That means the House should rescind this year's budget or not approve so much for them next time, right? No sense wasting money...SCOTUS says so and THEY ought to know.

Hey Military people, if you need more tax payer money for that infrastructure, better pay, etc. and if America thinks it needs more protection, Donny's Supine Court of the United States just said fuck you, Military. Please send your thanks to those 5 right wing assholes. (If you can afford the stamps!)

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
17. I would think Congress
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jul 2019

and perhaps the state(s) where this is happening and as well as any private property owners (if it is being done on their property).

From what I gather here - there are cases still being litigated about this reprogramming of money but the SCOTUS lifted the stay by the lower courts that had originally been granted for the case brought by the various environmentalist groups, while those other cases move through the court system.

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
19. For this particular case, the House had filed a brief in support
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jul 2019

but I expect that they would have their own case running concurrently - mainly dealing with the separation of powers and power of the purse.

ETA - one of the earlier House cases (using one type of argument) had been rejected by the courts in June - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/judge-house-democrats-cant-sue-trump-border-wall (they apparently have other cases pending though)

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
23. Congress can take away
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jul 2019

Redo the spending bill. Decrease the DoD allocation by a like amount. Even better, fence the money the DoD is authorized. They can do this is they want to.

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
24. The House could do that but of course the Senate would have to agree
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jul 2019

and then they would need enough votes to override the expected veto.

It's a PITA.

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
27. Is it time yet to shut this fucking shitstain government down yet?
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jul 2019

And please, the Retrumplicans shut down the government for the fucking T-Baggers, and there wasn't one God Damned House, Senate or dogcatcher election where the Retrumplicans shutdown was an issue.

Hey Nancy, that fucking two-year debt extension and budget "deal" you supposedly worked out with this POS? Maybe it's time to reconsider that.

Holy Fuck!!! What is it going to fucking take before Democrats start playing hardball with this fuckstick racist POS??

Didn't you say; "not one penny for the stupid fucking wall"?

This can't be allowed to fucking stand...why the fuck do we even have the fucking House of Representatives??

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
28. There are other cases pending
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jul 2019

This particular SCOTUS ruling was to lift the stay granted to one set of parties to a case, but was not deciding whether the argument for power of the purse was valid or not nor regarding other pending cases.

And note that the government WAS shut down for 35 days this past December and January.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
31. His base has already forgotten about his promise that Mexico would pay for it...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jul 2019

I don't usually go to Trump's twitter feed but after this announcement I wanted to see some of the replies. His base is wildly happy! Comments about how Trump is "making America safe!". No comments about his promise that Mexico would pay for it. They truly have zero memory of that original promise. The stupidity...it burns,

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
32. The importance of controlling the Supreme Court rears its ugly head again
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jul 2019

This almost above all other reasons is why having any reTHUG in the WH, let alone the Orange Fuhrer, is so dangerous.

Something needs to be done to reform the Supreme Court. That along with eliminating the EC should be our top priorities after 2020.

cstanleytech

(26,243 posts)
33. I guess this means the next Democrat can fund medicare for all then without seeking Congressional
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jul 2019

approval.

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
34. But the Supreme Court is in recess
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:27 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

How are they making decisions while they are on vacation until October?

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
41. I don't think they have to literally "come to work" to rule
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jul 2019

That's what they have staff for - to provide them the info and research past cases for them so that they can evaluate and write up their opinions to submit (colloquially "phoning it in" )!

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
44. Before I retired working for the federal government
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jul 2019

we had stuff like WebEx (and other applications before that that had audio and video and were streamed using our IP phone system, that were installed on our work machines - most recently laptops). We also had dedicated video-telecom equipment set up in the conference and/or training rooms. I don't know if anyone in the government is using Skype but who knows? They usually get a contract for some video-telecom app/system that offers GSA pricing.

Moral Compass

(1,513 posts)
35. This sets a precedent that the executive can use the federal budget as a slush fund
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:33 PM
Jul 2019

This is blatantly unconstitutional. What can be done when the SC--the interpreter of the Constitution--blatantly violates it?

This gives Trump almost complete power.



Yeehah

(4,568 posts)
45. Great. So our next President, a Democrat, in approximately 18 months...
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 07:14 PM
Jul 2019

will be able to use our grotesque "defense" budget to build roads, start a new CCC, etc. , etc., etc.

Way to go Supreme Court right-wingers!

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