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Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:24 PM

Democrats introduce constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United

Source: The Hill

“Senate Democrats introduced a constitutional amendment on Tuesday to undo the 2010 Citizens United Supreme Court decision.

“A group of Democrats, led by Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.), and progressive activists rallied outside of the Supreme Court to unveil the amendment, which faces an unlikely path to being ratified.

“Few decisions in the two hundred and some odd years of this republic have threatened our democracy like Citizens United. People say they want to get rid of the swamp, Citizens United is the embodiment of the swamp," Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said at the rally.

“Schumer added that "overturning Citizens United is probably more important than any other single thing we could do to preserve this great and grand democracy."
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Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/455342-democrats-introduce-constitutional-amendment-to-overturn-citizens-united

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Reply Democrats introduce constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United (Original post)
Ponietz Jul 2019 OP
BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #1
Ponietz Jul 2019 #2
NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #12
lunatica Jul 2019 #14
Ponietz Jul 2019 #18
OnDoutside Jul 2019 #27
lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #34
tecelote Jul 2019 #29
lastlib Jul 2019 #33
DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #42
warmfeet Jul 2019 #43
Calista241 Jul 2019 #49
50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #3
pecosbob Jul 2019 #4
Raven123 Jul 2019 #5
PSPS Jul 2019 #6
Leith Jul 2019 #41
PSPS Jul 2019 #44
Laurian Jul 2019 #7
TryLogic Jul 2019 #31
FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #32
lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #35
rampartc Jul 2019 #8
kag Jul 2019 #25
FakeNoose Jul 2019 #9
KPN Jul 2019 #15
ancianita Jul 2019 #16
bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #22
llmart Jul 2019 #24
bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #10
ancianita Jul 2019 #17
erronis Jul 2019 #20
bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #23
erronis Jul 2019 #28
Perseus Jul 2019 #11
Delmette2.0 Jul 2019 #13
kag Jul 2019 #26
Nitram Jul 2019 #19
Fla Dem Jul 2019 #21
jberryhill Jul 2019 #30
Rebl2 Jul 2019 #36
Rebl2 Jul 2019 #37
Ponietz Jul 2019 #38
zentrum Jul 2019 #39
BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2019 #40
MadDAsHell Jul 2019 #45
Ponietz Jul 2019 #46
lordsummerisle Jul 2019 #48
lordsummerisle Jul 2019 #47
ck4829 Jul 2019 #50
Yeehah Jul 2019 #51
TomCADem Jul 2019 #52
Rene Jul 2019 #53

Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:31 PM

1. Is this a pipe dream?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:34 PM

2. I know, had to check whether I was reading The Onion

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Senator Udall has long worked on and supported this issue. I’m much encouraged that Senator Schumer and 43 others are all in.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:18 PM

12. Until Democrats get rid of Trump and take over the Senate

it's a pipe dream. It's the money train for Republicans.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:23 PM

14. I agree

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:40 PM

18. Seems to me getting rid of Trump and flipping the Senate is the point of doing this now

This could greatly help to create a Blue Tsunami in 2020

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:05 PM

27. +1

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:55 PM

34. Constitutional amendment is looooonnng-term strategy - not for 2020.

That said, let's get the discussion started!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:05 PM

29. Pipe dream or not - it starts the conversation.

Overturn Citizens United to save our democracy. It should be an issue.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:50 PM

33. Agreed. This should be a litmus-test issue with every candidate....

...for every office from president down to sewer-sweeper.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:24 PM

42. It doesn't just start the conversation. It motivates people to vote for Democrats!

1) Motivate people with a great Constitutional amendment.

2) Flood the polls.

3) Pass the amendnent with a supermajority.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:30 PM

43. Yep.

Democracy don't come cheap. Much work is in store for those that care.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:43 PM

49. It's a Constitutional Amendment

So yes, it's a pipe dream. At least for the immediate future. I think we could get 2/3 of the House and Senate, because I think even the Repubs would support the amendment.

But getting 3/4 of the states to support it will be difficult, at least in a timely fashion.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:38 PM

3. K & R!

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:39 PM

4. Pipe dream and principle

it had to be done.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:44 PM

5. FINALLY

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:47 PM

6. Never happen. Moscow Mitch's Duma won't approve.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:37 PM

41. To hell with Moscow Mitch

We are all sick and tired of being controlled by oligarchs. The first thing is to remove the money guys.

Ask any member of the House or the Senate what the worst part of their job is and they will say the hours they spend on the phone raising money from donors every day. Why would they not want to stop begging all the time?

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Response to Leith (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:38 PM

44. Moscow Mitch doesn't "spend (hours) on the phone raising money from donors every day"

Their money is funneled/laundered through third parties (i.e., the NRA) and super PACs (secret donors) and just "magically" ends up in their pockets and funding their campaigns. It's been working that way for the GOP for a long time. They have no interest in changing anything because they're making a fortune.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:47 PM

7. Hallelujah

I will never forget Alito shaking his head at President Obama when he talked about Citizens United during a SOTU address.

Citizens United is largely responsible for where we are today. It opened the floodgates for illicit funding of campaigns and took that power away from the people.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:19 PM

31. Exactly. Nor will I ever forget Alito's behavior and arrogance.

He is one of the damn fools who does not know the difference between money and free speech.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:34 PM

32. Along with the ACLU

We understand that the amount of money now being spent on political campaigns has created a growing skepticism in the integrity of our election system that raises serious concerns. We firmly believe, however, that the response to those concerns must be consistent with our constitutional commitment to freedom of speech and association. For that reason, the ACLU does not support campaign finance regulation premised on the notion that the answer to money in politics is to ban political speech.

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-and-citizens-united

Clearly, what they're going for here is one dollar, one vote.

I will never give them another cent.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:57 PM

35. Why doesn't Alito go on a nice long hunting trip with Dick Chain?

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:05 PM

8. of course this is necessary

but it needs 2/3 of the senate, 2/4 of the house, and 3/4 of the states.

if the intention is to get the repubs on record it is a good idea, but don't count on it passing.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:57 PM

25. I believe that IS the point.

They know good and well that Moscow Mitch won't allow it. But he'll have to "not allow it" on the record.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:08 PM

9. Wow this is awesome, but sadly it's far too late to make a difference

Pandora's box has been open for almost 40 years. Do they really think they can go back now?

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:28 PM

15. Not buying fatalism. This is a start. This helps

make this a public issue and raise awareness of what the real “swamp” is. The House should pass similar legislation. And yes, we all know it won’t happen soon. But the only way it ever will is if s massive majority of voters are fired up about and demand the abolition of Citizens’ United. This is a start to a long, long endeavor. It’s also a sound political strategy ... raise visibility, expose the GOP for what it is (the Koch’s and other billionaires’ water boy), fire up and engage voters.

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Response to KPN (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:38 PM

16. +1

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Response to KPN (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:53 PM

22. +1

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Response to KPN (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:53 PM

24. Agreed!

They know full well it's not going to happen any time soon. However, how many of your average Americans even have a clue what Citizens United is or does to our democracy? If nothing else, for now this may educate some people or be an incentive for some who don't know what it's all about, to do some research on their own.

Lot of DU'ers just can't wait to jump on the "this is useless right now", blah, blah. Apparently they don't understand the general public that much. Just because we know what it is and what it has done, doesn't mean the majority of Americans do.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:11 PM

10. Yeah but once this passes

Republicans will no longer honor the Constitution, so it's just wasted energy

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:40 PM

17. Ever hear of courts? They might try being scofflaws but they'll be made to follow it, like it or no

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:45 PM

20. Uh, I'm slow. Explain to me how repugs currently honor anything?

Well, I know I'm wrong.

They'll honor non-traceable $$$s and blackmail. They'll honor some threats of sexual perversion exposure. They might honor some "family values" but will definitely dishonor anything that Jesus would request.

They'll honor invites from russians and putinesques but not from their own constituents.

But, on a positive note - they'll wear flag lapels and lie about their patriotism.

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Response to erronis (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:53 PM

23. DING DING DING

you nailed it. We are in a period of history when the world is turned upside down. That was the accusation thrown at Karl Marx when he wrote his Das Kapital. But there are periods of history when realities "flip", or the ruled become the rulers, or the good guys become the bad guys.

I read parts of Barbara Tuchman's "A Distant Mirror" about the 14th century, the Black Death, the dissolution of towns (because everyone died), and mass movements - roving groups of flagellists demonstrating their penetance for the scourge and hoping for God's mercy. It's an instructive read. What happens when everything goes fluid? Institutions dissolve, people panic, money doesn't flow very well, crops rot, labor is scarce and frightened.

So yes, Republicans are now playing by a different set of rules because there is no opposition party with power, and they are taking advantage of the situation to enact their most cherished hatreds against people they think are sinners.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:05 PM

28. Or "King of Hearts". Tuchman's "Distant Mirror" is one of my go to books.

I was just looking at it last night wondering how she would have written about this period in "western civilization". Another recent great read was "Mortal Republic" which lays out how similar our position is to the (not)Holy (not)Roman (not)Empire.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:18 PM

11. After this Democrats need to get a bill to eliminate the Electoral College

 

This is definitely important, but not more than impeaching the creature, and Barr.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:19 PM

13. I hope Gov Bullock brings this up tonight.

Gov Bullock got shit on by the Supreme Court as he tried to sue because Montana called it unconstitutional over 100 years ago.

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Response to Delmette2.0 (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:59 PM

26. Me too.

And I think he will. It's a pet issue of his.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:44 PM

19. It's a start, even if it fails this time, and the next 20 times, if it succeeds down the line.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 02:46 PM

21. Good Luck with that! The Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been ratified.

"The Equal Rights Amendment was passed by Congress on March 22, 1972 and sent to the states for ratification. In order to be added to the Constitution, it needed approval by legislatures in three-fourths (38) of the 50 states. By 1977, the legislatures of 35 states had approved the amendment."

https://www.equalrightsamendment.org/era-ratification-map

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:12 PM

30. Anyone have the text of the proposed amendment?

 


Is this the one that will also overturn New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971) and Hustler Magazine, Inc.v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), as corporations will no longer have First Amendment rights?

Or is anything called 'reversing Citizens United' good, no matter what it actually says?

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:07 PM

37. I wish it

would happen, but unfortunately I don’t think it will.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:10 PM

38. Here's the Text:

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:11 PM

39. Kinda worried about a

.....constitutional amendment route. Opens the door to Repug horrors. Must be very careful with this route since we share much of the country with absolute morons or vipers who will seize on it to introduce all kinds of retrograde amendments.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:26 PM

40. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:27 PM

45. Can you pass a law that knowingly goes against Supreme Court precedent?

 

Wouldn't that same Supreme Court immediately outlaw it before it even goes into effect? :Shrug:

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:30 PM

46. It's a proposed Constitutional Amendment expressly for that purpose

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:14 PM

48. It would be a constitutuional amendment, not a law n/t

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:12 PM

47. k&r n/t

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:49 AM

50. K&R

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:25 AM

51. Let's get rid of the electoral college too.

I'm tired of presidents who got less votes, like AWOL Bush and Trump.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:22 PM

52. Has Bernie Claimed Credit For It Yet?

Nt

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:58 PM

53. Hooray THIS is what we've needed.

Hope this all gets approved.

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